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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 1, 2014 18:13:59 GMT -5
Obama tells Putin his actions are 'clear violation' of Ukraine's sovereignty The United States in the coming hours and days will talk with allies and partners in the UN Security Council and others and suspend upcoming participation in preparatory meetings for the G-8 summit on Sochi, Russia, the White House also said. Earlier in the day, White House officials huddled in a high-level meeting to work on a response to Russia's efforts to move military forces into neighboring Ukraine, as Capitol Hill leaders pledged support for the Ukrainians and called on Obama to order an immediate U.S. response.The meeting came hours after Russia's parliament gave President Vladimir Putin the military go-ahead to protect Russian interests in neighboring Ukraine. Among those gathered at the White House were Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, CIA Director John Brennan, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Obama warned Russia on Friday that "there will be costs" for any military maneuvers that Russian undertook in Ukraine.www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/01/white-house-meets-congress-urges-action-in-wake-russia-ukraine-moves/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 18:35:10 GMT -5
RC, I've been following this issue since the beginning. Barry, being vague on almost any issue of importance is again rattling his "limp saber."
Does the President of the United states actually believe that he can order a military intervention to cease problems between Russia, Crimea and the Ukraine? I hope not.
Can Barry order some kind of diplomatic embargo to control the crisis? No way.
Can Barry send our Navy over there to intimidate anyone? I don't think so.
If Barry Obama continues, he could easily trigger a new Cold War, one that could become a hot war very quickly.
It's well known that Putin despises Obama, and sometimes I think that if Putin and Obama ran for President of the US. I would vote for Putin.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 1, 2014 18:41:58 GMT -5
That's my whole thinking Para, Barrys actions could indeed trigger new tensions with Russia and lead to military conflict. Out of any nation we certainly don't want to get into pissing match with Russia, AGAIN. Been there , done that. We were already within minutes of nuclear war with them once, we don't need to do this again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 18:55:29 GMT -5
That's my whole thinking Para, Barrys actions could indeed trigger new tensions with Russia and lead to military conflict. Out of any nation we certainly don't want to get into pissing with Russia, AGAIN. Been there , done that. You know, we're 100% on base with this one. Obama thinks that the Ukraine crisis is his Cuban missile Crisis, which is of course 180 degrees out.
Nukes in the former Soviet Union satellite states are available for the price of a top of the line BMW.
Putin may be a jerk, however he well knows that the USA and Russia could go MAD; however I'm hoping that some sanity will prevail.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 1, 2014 19:02:17 GMT -5
Why do I feel like barry is trying to be a tough guy for the first time ever, he picked the wrong battle to grow some boys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:12:55 GMT -5
Why do I feel like barry is trying to be tough guy for the first time ever, he picked the wrong battle to grow some. I'm no expert, however my guess is that as a lame duck President, with his primary agenda, the ADA being a failure, he's just doing "duck and cover" operations that his future hopeful "supplicants" may have some success in the 2016 elections.
Even Hillary is backing off of her support for Obama's ADA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:13:21 GMT -5
In the first notable exchange of the third presidential debate, President Barack Obama hit Mitt Romney for what he claimed was the former Massachusetts governor’s view that Russia is America’s number one international foe. “Russia, I indicated, is a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same paragraph — I said, ‘Iran is the greatest national security threat we face.’” “I have clear eyes on this,” Romney continued, “I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin. I’m I’m certianly not going to say to him, “I’ll give you more flexibility after the election.’ After the election he’ll get more backbone.” Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/10/22/obama-says-romney-called-russia-biggest-threat-romney-pushes-back-video/#ixzz2ulAEhLrM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:21:17 GMT -5
I'd say that the United States and Russia are at more of a diplomatic crossroads than on the path to military conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:24:15 GMT -5
Trouble is, Mom, that at this point anyone with any common sense can see that the current Executive branch and Legislative branch have no cohune's.
This may sound corny, however even after a lumbar fusion, I have more spine than anyone in Washington DC.
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Post by highmc2 on Mar 1, 2014 19:25:48 GMT -5
Crimea is the base for Russia's Black Sea Fleet. There is absolutely no way that the Russians would not move to secure that strategic location. It would be similar to Hawaii breaking away from the US with our Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Unless the Russians start shooting and moving on Kiev there is little the US can do no matter the President.
Look for some sanctions and tough talk. Too bad the Olympics are over and we can't punish the athletes with a boycott.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:27:59 GMT -5
Trouble is, Mom, that at this point anyone with any common sense can see that the current Executive branch and Legislative branch have no cohune's. This may sound corny, however even after a lumbar fusion, I have more spine than anyone in Washington DC. I don't believe Putin cares what Obama has to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:30:28 GMT -5
I'd say that the United States and Russia are at more of a diplomatic crossroads than on the path to military conflict. Yes, however that position could change in very little time. It's happened before.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 1, 2014 19:38:34 GMT -5
That would certainly be the capstone on Obama's long list of failures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:52:42 GMT -5
That would certainly be the capstone on Obama's long list of failures. What can Barry possibly do? Embargo? Blockade? Charge the Russians for their diplomatic tags? I'm thinking that Obama is the weakest President since Jimmy Carter.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Mar 1, 2014 19:55:16 GMT -5
In the first notable exchange of the third presidential debate, President Barack Obama hit Mitt Romney for what he claimed was the former Massachusetts governor’s view that Russia is America’s number one international foe. “Russia, I indicated, is a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same paragraph — I said, ‘Iran is the greatest national security threat we face.’” “I have clear eyes on this,” Romney continued, “I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin. I’m I’m certianly not going to say to him, “I’ll give you more flexibility after the election.’ After the election he’ll get more backbone.” Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/10/22/obama-says-romney-called-russia-biggest-threat-romney-pushes-back-video/#ixzz2ulAEhLrMPalin nailed it back in 2008 and was roundly and soundly denounced by the "experts". Maybe she couldn't see russia from her house, but it appears she could see putin.....and through obama. This is a no-win for the big guy....unless he unleashes the superhuman diplomatic skills that garnered him the nobel.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 1, 2014 19:56:07 GMT -5
That would certainly be the capstone on Obama's long list of failures. What can Barry possibly do? Embargo? Blockade? Charge the Russians for their diplomatic tags? I'm thinking that Obama is the weakest President since Jimmy Carter.that's a given
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:03:24 GMT -5
Crimea is the base for Russia's Black Sea Fleet. There is absolutely no way that the Russians would not move to secure that strategic location. It would be similar to Hawaii breaking away from the US with our Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Unless the Russians start shooting and moving on Kiev there is little the US can do no matter the President. Look for some sanctions and tough talk. Too bad the Olympics are over and we can't punish the athletes with a boycott. It's been said that he Russian hockey team mysteriously disappeared after their loss to Finland.
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Post by highmc2 on Mar 1, 2014 20:16:59 GMT -5
What would our prestigious keyboard diplomats or Secretary of State's do in this situation?
Complaints and criticism are just a fart in the wind without alternative ideas.
What would you do different? What would Kennedy do? What would Reagan have done?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:20:36 GMT -5
Kennedy and Reagan are dead so it is pointless to wonder what they would do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:30:23 GMT -5
Kennedy and Reagan are dead so it is pointless to wonder what they would do. I love you Mom, however most historians agree that JFK, had he lived, would have been reelected and would never committed us to a land war in Southeast Asia.
Reagan lived long enough to give that "Tear Down This Wall" speech which in part, led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:33:32 GMT -5
Kennedy and Reagan are dead so it is pointless to wonder what they would do. I love you Mom, however most historians agree that JFK, had he lived, would have been reelected and would never committed us to a land war in Southeast Asia.
Reagan lived long enough to give that "Tear Down This Wall" speech which in part, led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Love you too. My point should have been why can't we criticize the current president without bringing up Kennedy or Reagan. Honestly, I wished we had another Reagan as president.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Mar 1, 2014 20:36:54 GMT -5
What would our prestigious keyboard diplomats or Secretary of State's do in this situation? Complaints and criticism are just a fart in the wind without alternative ideas. What would you do different? What would Kennedy do? What would Reagan have done? What could have been done different was just about everything, at this point he would be better off not drawing anymore red lines, no one believes him anymore. Kind of like no one believes the house when they try to negotiate with Obama. I bet if the house had stood firm Obama would have caved to them, as it stands now they are the only ones he stands firm with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:37:46 GMT -5
What would our prestigious keyboard diplomats or Secretary of State's do in this situation? Complaints and criticism are just a fart in the wind without alternative ideas. What would you do different? What would Kennedy do? What would Reagan have done? What could have been done different was just about everything, at this point he would be better off not drawing anymore red lines, no one believes him anymore. Kind of like no one believes the house when they try to negotiate with Obama. I bet if the house had stood firm Obama would have caved to them, as it stands now they are the only ones he stands firm with. Bingo!
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Post by Cuchulain on Mar 1, 2014 20:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by highmc2 on Mar 1, 2014 20:43:21 GMT -5
I love you Mom, however most historians agree that JFK, had he lived, would have been reelected and would never committed us to a land war in Southeast Asia.
Reagan lived long enough to give that "Tear Down This Wall" speech which in part, led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Love you too. My point should have been why can't we criticize the current president without bringing up Kennedy or Reagan. Honestly, I wished we had another Reagan as president. My point is that no other President would be able to do much more given the same circumstances. I also asked what you would do/ or should have done differently in this fluid situation? What exactly are you criticizing about Obama's handling of the situation?
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