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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 21, 2014 8:30:16 GMT -5
I see the research evidence and firmly believe ancient aliens have been here, and are still ongoing. Yet there is zero credible evidence that this is true. Please admit you believe it because you *want* to believe it. Perhaps because it makes sense to you that intelligent life should have evolved elsewhere as well. You do know that you are arguing with him about his religion don't you? You might as well be arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 8:38:15 GMT -5
Yet there is zero credible evidence that this is true. Please admit you believe it because you *want* to believe it. Perhaps because it makes sense to you that intelligent life should have evolved elsewhere as well. You do know that you are arguing with him about his religion don't you? You might as well be arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That would depend, surely, on whether they are lardarse angels or skinny model type angels.
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Post by davinci on Nov 21, 2014 8:48:51 GMT -5
The universe is a big place. I find it hard to believe that there is not some form of intelligent life out there, somewhere. Do I think it has visited us? I don't know, but have you really looked at some of the drivers on the beltway? I see the research evidence and firmly believe ancient aliens have been here, and are still ongoing. Men in Black isn't really evidence.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 21, 2014 8:59:31 GMT -5
You do know that you are arguing with him about his religion don't you? You might as well be arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That would depend, surely, on whether they are lardarse angels or skinny model type angels. Now that there is funny.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 21, 2014 10:00:57 GMT -5
I see the research evidence and firmly believe ancient aliens have been here, and are still ongoing. Yet there is zero credible evidence that this is true. Please admit you believe it because you *want* to believe it. Perhaps because it makes sense to you that intelligent life should have evolved elsewhere as well. The evidence is in plain sight in front of us, one has to think technical and have common sense to see it. you may believe what you want but ancient people COULD NOT have built the high tech precision structures only with sticks and ropes and chisels. Plus moving, lifting and mounting tonnage of stone with precision fits that today's technology would have trouble with. Sorry , but that is only ONE of the many smoking guns
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 21, 2014 23:07:04 GMT -5
The evidence is in plain sight in front of us, one has to think technical and have common sense to see it. I "think technical" every day. And you have not convinced me. you may believe what you want but ancient people COULD NOT have built the high tech precision structures only with sticks and ropes and chisels. Plus moving, lifting and mounting tonnage of stone with precision fits that today's technology would have trouble with. Neither of us was there, so neither of us knows what ancient people were capable of doing. You might be surprised what's possible with tens of thousands of slaves and no concern over whether you kill them because there are always more slaves. Your approach reminds me of the people who think that the eye is too complex to have evolved despite the fact that eyes have evolved over a dozen times. Or that, because they don't understand how the universe came to be, the explanation simple *has* to be a supernatural one. Without a shred of evidence to back their claims, they blithely proclaim such nonsense to anyone who can't escape them.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 22, 2014 8:10:28 GMT -5
I don't buy it, at all. They moved tonnage of rock for miles, lifted them, placed them? sorry don't buy it considering todays construction companies and top level engineers have no idea or concept how they could have accomplished this without modern equipment. And today we would have difficulty doing this.
That doesn't even get into the precision laser cut rock they left behind, the writing and admissions of star people who came from the sky to teach them and help them. The drawings of obvious creatures that look like astronauts. They recorded what the saw, they didn't make up stories.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 22, 2014 8:50:29 GMT -5
Once they invented the roller, rope and bred enough slaves it was easy, (well for the elite it was, kinda like nothing has changed has it?)
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Post by husagafella on Nov 22, 2014 9:39:48 GMT -5
I don't buy it, at all. They moved tonnage of rock for miles, lifted them, placed them? sorry don't buy it considering todays construction companies and top level engineers have no idea or concept how they could have accomplished this without modern equipment. And today we would have difficulty doing this. That doesn't even get into the precision laser cut rock they left behind, the writing and admissions of star people who came from the sky to teach them and help them. The drawings of obvious creatures that look like astronauts. They recorded what the saw, they didn't make up stories. Wow, good stuff Champ. I don't know why these neophytes think they can match wits with you in your area of expertise.
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Post by redleg on Nov 22, 2014 9:46:23 GMT -5
I don't buy it, at all. They moved tonnage of rock for miles, lifted them, placed them? sorry don't buy it considering todays construction companies and top level engineers have no idea or concept how they could have accomplished this without modern equipment. And today we would have difficulty doing this. That doesn't even get into the precision laser cut rock they left behind, the writing and admissions of star people who came from the sky to teach them and help them. The drawings of obvious creatures that look like astronauts. They recorded what the saw, they didn't make up stories. While I don't know one way or another about 'ancient astronauts', you are denigrating your ancestors. You are thinking in modern terms. The ancients used hundreds of thousands of people to do what we use machines for, and they thought in terms of generations, not weeks or months. They used methods that we no longer use, because we don't have the hundreds of thousands of laborers and generations of time to accomplish a single building. As for accuracy, look at some of the castles built in the 10th and 11th centuries. They were built without modern equipment, yet they withstood not only attacks, but time, and are still standing. And you can't get a knife blade or a sheet of paper between their stones, either.
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 22, 2014 9:52:11 GMT -5
I don't buy it, at all. They moved tonnage of rock for miles, lifted them, placed them? sorry don't buy it considering todays construction companies and top level engineers have no idea or concept how they could have accomplished this without modern equipment. And today we would have difficulty doing this. That doesn't even get into the precision laser cut rock they left behind, the writing and admissions of star people who came from the sky to teach them and help them. The drawings of obvious creatures that look like astronauts. They recorded what the saw, they didn't make up stories.Funny. Everything I know about the ancients leads me to believe they were masters at story telling! We moderns do exactly the same thing when confronted with stuff we don't understand - we invent "plausible" constructs and principles and stories and if we are not careful those inventions become canon and accepted as settled knowledge. Imagination is one of man's most glorious gifts, but please remember it is a useful tool but one that can be dulled by careless application.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 22, 2014 16:26:59 GMT -5
I don't buy it, at all. They moved tonnage of rock for miles, lifted them, placed them? sorry don't buy it considering todays construction companies and top level engineers have no idea or concept how they could have accomplished this without modern equipment. And today we would have difficulty doing this. That doesn't even get into the precision laser cut rock they left behind, the writing and admissions of star people who came from the sky to teach them and help them. The drawings of obvious creatures that look like astronauts. They recorded what the saw, they didn't make up stories. While I don't know one way or another about 'ancient astronauts', you are denigrating your ancestors. You are thinking in modern terms. The ancients used hundreds of thousands of people to do what we use machines for, and they thought in terms of generations, not weeks or months. They used methods that we no longer use, because we don't have the hundreds of thousands of laborers and generations of time to accomplish a single building. As for accuracy, look at some of the castles built in the 10th and 11th centuries. They were built without modern equipment, yet they withstood not only attacks, but time, and are still standing. And you can't get a knife blade or a sheet of paper between their stones, either. I don't buy the manpower bit either, Humans were seeded here by other beings, I do buy that. Besides the precision cuts and fits of some stones have already been proven to not be possible with ancient technology, they have laser cut precision on many structures. In time, all these theories will be factual findings. The ancients recorded what happened, we're just finally uncovering their stories.
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Post by husagafella on Nov 22, 2014 16:57:06 GMT -5
While I don't know one way or another about 'ancient astronauts', you are denigrating your ancestors. You are thinking in modern terms. The ancients used hundreds of thousands of people to do what we use machines for, and they thought in terms of generations, not weeks or months. They used methods that we no longer use, because we don't have the hundreds of thousands of laborers and generations of time to accomplish a single building. As for accuracy, look at some of the castles built in the 10th and 11th centuries. They were built without modern equipment, yet they withstood not only attacks, but time, and are still standing. And you can't get a knife blade or a sheet of paper between their stones, either. I don't buy the manpower bit either, Humans were seeded here by other beings, I do buy that. Besides the precision cuts and fits of some stones have already been proven to not be possible with ancient technology, they have laser cut precision on many structures.In time, all these theories will be factual findings. The ancients recorded what happened, we're just finally uncovering their stories. Champ, what about the Washington Monument? Those stones seem to be cut pretty precisely. Did they use lasers on that? So do you think the space men used space ships to lift the stones or did they know how to levitate them? Maybe they had some type of crane that they took with them?
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 22, 2014 17:06:00 GMT -5
No the Washington Monument is considered modern technology, the tools and capability were there in the 1800's to do this easily. we're talking thousands of year ago building what we have now with just as much and in some cases better precision.
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Post by husagafella on Nov 22, 2014 17:48:51 GMT -5
But you mentioned lasers, did they use lasers on the pyramids? They didn't have lasers in the 1800' did they? Do they use lasers to cut stone now?
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 22, 2014 17:55:08 GMT -5
But you mentioned lasers, did they use lasers on the pyramids? They didn't have lasers in the 1800' did they? Do they use lasers to cut stone now? Can't wait for this comment to be removed ....
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 22, 2014 19:11:19 GMT -5
yes stone is cut today with diamond tools or lasers. Some stone in ancient times as per this subject shows the same cutting and shaping properties. AKA smoking gun
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 22, 2014 21:42:42 GMT -5
The stones of the Washington Monument were not laser cut. They were cut by hand. No one cuts building stones with a laser, even now. A wet saw is much more efficient.
Lasers cut by heating materials until they turn to plasma and evaporate. This leaves detectable traces. If the stones of the pyramids were cut by lasers we would know this. You might counter by suggesting some technology, as yet undiscovered, that simply "dissolves" molecular bonds without leaving a trace. And I would ask: how many baseless assumptions does your theory rest on? It seems like a creaky foundation to me.
It's entirely reasonable to admit that "I don't know" precisely how ancient engineers built the pyramids. It's not at all reasonable to say, "I don't know, therefore aliens must have done it."
The also-baseless opinion that life was "seeded" here from elsewhere is an entirely different discussion. But it merely moves the point of origin: if life did not begin here then how did it begin somewhere else? You haven't answered any questions with this theory, just moved them.
I have to say that I am glad you are not a scientist.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 22, 2014 21:47:18 GMT -5
And i never said the wash mon was laser cut, but that is technology used today that matches the same results on ancient stone. the evidence of alien interaction on earth is clear cut if you pay attention, which it seems you choose to ignore because you choose to be a skeptic.
My scientific mind can see facts, because I have that gift and follow common sense research. In time this entire theory will be tomorrows facts, be patient.
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Post by husagafella on Nov 22, 2014 22:14:56 GMT -5
And i never said the wash mon was laser cut, but that is technology used today that matches the same results on ancient stone. the evidence of alien interaction on earth is clear cut if you pay attention, which it seems you choose to ignore because you choose to be a skeptic. My scientific mind can see facts, because I have that gift. Here, Here. You are gifted Champ. Ignore the skeptics. All the visionaries have had to deal with skeptics throughout history.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 24, 2014 13:24:32 GMT -5
The universe is a big place. I find it hard to believe that there is not some form of intelligent life out there, somewhere. Do I think it has visited us? I don't know, but have you really looked at some of the drivers on the beltway? I see the research evidence and firmly believe ancient aliens have been here, and are still ongoing. Yeah. Well, I'm not sure I would classify the kind of things you mention as "evidence".
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 24, 2014 16:55:31 GMT -5
My scientific mind can see facts, because I have that gift You may or you may now. You haven't shown any evidence of scientific skill on this thread. In time this entire theory will be tomorrows facts, be patient. Should new evidence emerge that proves aliens exist, then - and only then - does a scientist accept that theory. Before then he designs and conducts an experiment to explore the theory's validity. So... describe your experiment and explain how its results will prove this theory? You sound much more like a science fiction writer than a scientist. Nothing wrong with that - I like science fiction. I just don't confuse it with reality.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 24, 2014 16:59:52 GMT -5
Nope I accept the research discovered because it makes sense
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 24, 2014 17:36:33 GMT -5
Nope I accept the research discovered because it makes sense Ok, I have to chip in, I can't help myself. Research is not discovered. So theories about artifacts found on earth are just theories, until proven, and then they are proven theories until unproven.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 24, 2014 17:38:30 GMT -5
agreed this is not 100% proof but it will be, i'll put money on it because it does make sense
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