|
Post by Cowboyz on Nov 17, 2014 14:42:49 GMT -5
These continuing accusations of rape surrounding Bill Cosby make me sad. I hope they aren't true, I thought he was one of the good ones!!
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 17, 2014 14:50:03 GMT -5
Boy, they come out of the cracks, don't they?... even after 45 years...
(No pun intended)
|
|
|
Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 17, 2014 14:55:18 GMT -5
These continuing accusations of rape surrounding Bill Cosby make me sad. I hope they aren't true, I thought he was one of the good ones!! I'd be hard pressed to believe this to be true.
|
|
|
Post by Cowboyz on Nov 17, 2014 15:04:53 GMT -5
They sure do. Seems like it won't be going away this time.
|
|
|
Post by Cowboyz on Nov 17, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -5
These continuing accusations of rape surrounding Bill Cosby make me sad. I hope they aren't true, I thought he was one of the good ones!! I'd be hard pressed to believe this to be true. I hope you're right RC. I saw on CBS This Morning that he actually settled with one of his accusers from the past. That's bothersome!!
|
|
|
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 17, 2014 15:28:54 GMT -5
It's sadder because Bill Cosby conveyed a lot of wisdom to a lot of people. And now it may turn out that he did not practice what he preached. We will see. Sometimes a civil settlement occurs because it is cheaper than litigation, especially if the other party accepts conditions (like a gag order) on it. And sometimes... it happens when the defendant knows the plaintiff has enough to win a settlement over which he has no control.
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 17, 2014 15:39:07 GMT -5
It's sadder because Bill Cosby conveyed a lot of wisdom to a lot of people. And now it may turn out that he did not practice what he preached. We will see. Sometimes a civil settlement occurs because it is cheaper than litigation, especially if the other party accepts conditions (like a gag order) on it. And sometimes... it happens when the defendant knows the plaintiff has enough to win a settlement over which he has no control. But he may have "practiced what he preached" after he grew older... I don't know about the "other" allegations but this one was supposed to have happened back in 1969... 45 years ago... (yeah, he was 32... but that's still young)... I hope Bill has grown up a lot over the last 45 years... most of us have done things in the past that we would love to take back... but once it's done, we can't... only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change...
|
|
|
Post by aponderer on Nov 17, 2014 18:54:26 GMT -5
It's sadder because Bill Cosby conveyed a lot of wisdom to a lot of people. And now it may turn out that he did not practice what he preached. We will see. Sometimes a civil settlement occurs because it is cheaper than litigation, especially if the other party accepts conditions (like a gag order) on it. And sometimes... it happens when the defendant knows the plaintiff has enough to win a settlement over which he has no control. But he may have "practiced what he preached" after he grew older... I don't know about the "other" allegations but this one was supposed to have happened back in 1969... 45 years ago... (yeah, he was 32... but that's still young)... I hope Bill has grown up a lot over the last 45 years... most of us have done things in the past that we would love to take back... but once it's done, we can't... only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change... Don't be surprised if these allegations turn out to be retaliation by some who didn't like what he was preaching. I'll wager the more liberal "press" will be the ones keeping these stories alive. And that's a pretty broad brush, there, my friend... Quite a few libs are still blaming Bush for lots of things...
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 17, 2014 21:58:44 GMT -5
But he may have "practiced what he preached" after he grew older... I don't know about the "other" allegations but this one was supposed to have happened back in 1969... 45 years ago... (yeah, he was 32... but that's still young)... I hope Bill has grown up a lot over the last 45 years... most of us have done things in the past that we would love to take back... but once it's done, we can't... only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change... Don't be surprised if these allegations turn out to be retaliation by some who didn't like what he was preaching. I'll wager the more liberal "press" will be the ones keeping these stories alive. And that's a pretty broad brush, there, my friend... Quite a few libs are still blaming Bush for lots of things... You might want to just put a little ice on it...
|
|
|
Post by niamhaine on Nov 18, 2014 1:30:09 GMT -5
Given the era in which the allegations occurred, I feel it's certainly possible that what some of these women claim could be the truth. I've liked Bill Cosby over the years, and I would like to believe he wasn't capable of doing something like that. However, having first hand experience of how sexual molestation complaints were generally ignored or mishandled during the 70's and early 80's in my profession raises questions. It made some men think anything goes if they caught you alone somewhere because nothing was ever done. If Cosby did molest/rape these women should it be swept under the rug because it occurred 45 years ago, and now Bill's such a stellar guy? No! Hopefully the claims will be fully investigated as much as can be (given how much time has elapsed) and the truth, whatever it is, will be revealed.
|
|
|
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 18, 2014 9:56:26 GMT -5
...only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change... For me, there's no statute of limitations on forceable rape, which I consider to be a vile crime. (Statutory rape may not be as bad; here, it depends on the circumstances, and especially the relative ages of those involved). That said, nothing is proven, yet. I don't have a lot of use for women in the modern era who fail to report a crime until years later and then expect justice. It's usually impossible to prove what happened by then, so all it does is create a sensation. But in the 1960s, things were different. People - and especially women - usually did not succeed when they went against power, and this chilling reality discouraged a lot of them from even making the attempt. The matter wants a thorough investigation, although I doubt they will be able to unearth much after this much time has passed. The notion that this was ginned up be people who did not like his messages sounds like tin-foil hat territory to me.
|
|
|
Post by darave on Nov 18, 2014 10:52:42 GMT -5
with no semen or evidence of the vaginal area being entered this would be a hard case to prove him guilty. This doesn't mean that he didn't do it.
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 18, 2014 11:46:41 GMT -5
with no semen or evidence of the vaginal area being entered this would be a hard case to prove him guilty. This doesn't mean that he didn't do it. Like many other alleged crimes... especially related to "sex"... half the folks will believe he did... and the other half will wonder if he did... If he's a Democrat, the Republicans are in that first category... if he's a Republican, the last...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:14:34 GMT -5
with no semen or evidence of the vaginal area being entered this would be a hard case to prove him guilty. This doesn't mean that he didn't do it. There is always an element of doubt with this type of accusation.
|
|
|
Post by vosa on Nov 18, 2014 12:24:30 GMT -5
It's sadder because Bill Cosby conveyed a lot of wisdom to a lot of people. And now it may turn out that he did not practice what he preached. We will see. Sometimes a civil settlement occurs because it is cheaper than litigation, especially if the other party accepts conditions (like a gag order) on it. And sometimes... it happens when the defendant knows the plaintiff has enough to win a settlement over which he has no control. But he may have "practiced what he preached" after he grew older... I don't know about the "other" allegations but this one was supposed to have happened back in 1969... 45 years ago... (yeah, he was 32... but that's still young)... I hope Bill has grown up a lot over the last 45 years... most of us have done things in the past that we would love to take back... but once it's done, we can't... only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change... I believe we could be discussing something as apolitical as our favorite color and you'd find a way to sneak in a shot at people who disagree with you politically.
|
|
|
Post by alienrace on Nov 18, 2014 12:47:03 GMT -5
with no semen or evidence of the vaginal area being entered this would be a hard case to prove him guilty. This doesn't mean that he didn't do it. Like many other alleged crimes... especially related to "sex"... half the folks will believe he did... and the other half will wonder if he did... If he's a Democrat, the Republicans are in that first category... if he's a Republican, the last... Believe it or not, politics and political leanings aren't the center of everyone's universe. There are those of us who really don't care about his political affiliation...
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 18, 2014 13:10:23 GMT -5
Like many other alleged crimes... especially related to "sex"... half the folks will believe he did... and the other half will wonder if he did... If he's a Democrat, the Republicans are in that first category... if he's a Republican, the last... Believe it or not, politics and political leanings aren't the center of everyone's universe. There are those of us who really don't care about his political affiliation... I know... that's why I put that comment in a different paragraph... and put the after it... And I am one of those who doesn't think political affiliation has anything to do with someone's innocence or guilt...
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 18, 2014 13:13:40 GMT -5
But he may have "practiced what he preached" after he grew older... I don't know about the "other" allegations but this one was supposed to have happened back in 1969... 45 years ago... (yeah, he was 32... but that's still young)... I hope Bill has grown up a lot over the last 45 years... most of us have done things in the past that we would love to take back... but once it's done, we can't... only right-wingers hold shortcomings against you for the rest of your life... (unless it's them)... people do change... I believe we could be discussing something as apolitical as our favorite color and you'd find a way to sneak in a shot at people who disagree with you politically. Who did I take a shot at?... maybe I should have put that comment in a different paragraph too... But I do love politics...
|
|
|
Post by Cowboyz on Nov 18, 2014 13:48:44 GMT -5
OMG.... can we have one discussion without politics coming up?
This is about rape allegations... Bill Cosby.... his accusers...
Back on track please!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 14:27:12 GMT -5
OMG.... can we have one discussion without politics coming up? This is about rape allegations... Bill Cosby.... his accusers... Back on track please! Amen!
|
|
|
Post by aboutwell on Nov 18, 2014 17:33:33 GMT -5
How can you discuss a 45-year-old allegation in today's society without talking about the politics of it?... maybe she sees $$$...
Personally, even though it might be true... since she hasn't said anything for all these years, I'd say just let it go...
|
|
|
Post by shutout on Nov 18, 2014 22:47:00 GMT -5
Surprised we haven't seen any "back on track" by the mods.
|
|
|
Post by pahunter on Nov 19, 2014 9:13:07 GMT -5
I think its good that his upcoming show was put on hold. He even joked about this kind of stuff in his early yeasrs.
|
|
|
Post by davinci on Nov 19, 2014 9:30:57 GMT -5
OMG.... can we have one discussion without politics coming up? Amen! Or Religion!
|
|
|
Post by niamhaine on Nov 19, 2014 10:47:34 GMT -5
How can you discuss a 45-year-old allegation in today's society without talking about the politics of it?... maybe she sees $$$... Personally, even though it might be true... since she hasn't said anything for all these years, I'd say just let it go... The "politics" of this situation are about the attitude of many businesses in the 60's through to the end of the 80's, which has absolutely nothing to do with political parties. I guess personal perspective comes from whether you were a member of one of the "Good Old Boys Clubs" or one of their continual victims. I'm sure someone who never had to knee somebody in the "nads" (or scratch their hands to get them to break their hold on you), and praying when you came into work the next day that you still had a job when you had done nothing other than defend yourself, would totally understand. I, personally, find it distasteful that you feel the need to insert the word "crack" into the conversation when "woodwork" or something similar could have been used. And for the record, some of these women spoke up several years ago: linkIt's tough to investigate something when conveniently the scenario never includes a witness, and most of the incidents seem to involve drugging young, just starting their career, women. We'll just have to wait and see.
|
|