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Post by Ranger John on Dec 10, 2014 17:55:10 GMT -5
Yahoo NewsYou know there's nothing quite like calling the other party names and telling ridiculous lies about them to encourage cooperation.
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Post by redleg on Dec 10, 2014 20:26:57 GMT -5
The Pubs need to act like the Dems. They won't. McCain is already calling for a repeal of the "nuclear option", so that the Pubs will need to get 60 votes to pass anything. We need to impeach Boehner, McConnel, and a host of other dinosaur Pubs, and start with a clean slate.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 10, 2014 20:39:58 GMT -5
The Pubs need to act like the Dems. They won't. McCain is already calling for a repeal of the "nuclear option", so that the Pubs will need to get 60 votes to pass anything. We need to impeach Boehner, McConnel, and a host of other dinosaur Pubs, and start with a clean slate. The Republicans need to leave the nuclear option in place until they have to turn the Senate back over to the Democrats. Eliminating it now is just stupid. It's a gift the Democrats gave them. Is it cynical to leave it alone? You bet. I'd rather they be smart and cynical than stupid. Boehner and McConnell are dinosaurs... but I think we're probably stuck with them for another couple election cycles. |
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 10, 2014 21:42:14 GMT -5
Even 60 votes won't help... unless they have unanimous consent...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 11, 2014 16:33:13 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right?  |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2014 17:14:31 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right? You didn't read the article. McConnell is, at least for the moment, trying to talk the talk of conciliation. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 11, 2014 17:54:07 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right? You didn't read the article. McConnell is, at least for the moment, trying to talk the talk of conciliation. So was Reid, according to the snippet you quoted. Thing is, neither man means it. Because politics these days is very broken; neither side has any use at all for the other. |
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 11, 2014 20:36:02 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right? You didn't read the article. McConnell is, at least for the moment, trying to talk the talk of conciliation. Suuuuuuurrrrrre he is... fooled you, didn't he?... |
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 11, 2014 20:37:04 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right? Reid can still stop debate in the Senate... for as long as he's there... |
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2014 12:01:45 GMT -5
Did you think an election would somehow make Harry Reid not an asshat? If you did, that's some real optimism. What you won't admit, of course, is that his successor will behave exactly the same way, just with different enemies. That will be okay, though, right? Reid can still stop debate in the Senate... for as long as he's there... Not without the option of a filibuster. Which he, himself got rid of. Watch him scream like a little girl when that's used against him. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2014 12:05:39 GMT -5
Reid can still stop debate in the Senate... for as long as he's there... Not without the option of a filibuster. Which he, himself got rid of. Watch him scream like a little girl when that's used against him. Aboutwell believes nothing happens in the Senate without the unanimous consent of all it's members. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 12, 2014 12:25:34 GMT -5
When they have both houses, how will Republicans govern? Will they hand the presidency to the Dems in 2016 by pissing everyone off? It should be quite amusing to watch the circular firing squad spin up to full speed! |
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Post by stevez51 on Dec 12, 2014 15:34:45 GMT -5
When they have both houses, how will Republicans govern? Will they hand the presidency to the Dems in 2016 by pissing everyone off? It should be quite amusing to watch the circular firing squad spin up to full speed! Depends on who's pissed off more. Pub voters because everything will be vetoed or Dems and their media friends, who will blame it on the Pubs ....... |
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2014 16:40:42 GMT -5
When they have both houses, how will Republicans govern? Will they hand the presidency to the Dems in 2016 by pissing everyone off? It should be quite amusing to watch the circular firing squad spin up to full speed! That depends on whether Boehner and McConnell get their way, or whether conservatives prevail. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2014 18:01:32 GMT -5
When they have both houses, how will Republicans govern? Will they hand the presidency to the Dems in 2016 by pissing everyone off? It should be quite amusing to watch the circular firing squad spin up to full speed! Depends on who's pissed off more. Pub voters because everything will be vetoed or Dems and their media friends, who will blame it on the Pubs ....... It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 12, 2014 18:47:53 GMT -5
It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. The next such idea will be the first in a loooooong time. They've confined themselves to balking what Obama does, without offering better ideas, for six years now. I'd expect it's what they'll continue to do. The leadership of the GOP doesn't count too many geniuses among its ranks, based on what it has done. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2014 19:03:45 GMT -5
It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. The next such idea will be the first in a loooooong time. They've confined themselves to balking what Obama does, without offering better ideas, for six years now. I'd expect it's what they'll continue to do. The leadership of the GOP doesn't count too many geniuses among its ranks, based on what it has done. That's not true. Just on Obamacare, there are multiple plans to repeal and replace it with something a little more free-market and functional and much less command economy that doesn't work. You're not aware of these proposals because the media doesn't report on them... I understand that. But that doesn't mean the proposals aren't out there. In the mean time, you can probably expect a repeal of the medical device tax and the insurance company bailout very soon after the GOP takes control of the Senate. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 12, 2014 20:15:38 GMT -5
In the mean time, you can probably expect a repeal of the medical device tax and the insurance company bailout very soon after the GOP takes control of the Senate. We'll see. Bush got the ball rolling on bank and automaker bailouts - so the GOP's perfectly willing to bail out industries when it can score political points for doing so. And don't say he wasn't a conservative. He was conservative enough for you all when you elected him. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 14, 2014 22:23:19 GMT -5
It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. The next such idea will be the first in a loooooong time. They've confined themselves to balking what Obama does, without offering better ideas, for six years now. I'd expect it's what they'll continue to do. The leadership of the GOP doesn't count too many geniuses among its ranks, based on what it has done. Or many with balls. However, the GOP HAS shown ideas, some of them good ones. That's why Dingy Harry refused to even allow a vote on over 300 bills. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 14, 2014 22:26:20 GMT -5
In the mean time, you can probably expect a repeal of the medical device tax and the insurance company bailout very soon after the GOP takes control of the Senate. We'll see. Bush got the ball rolling on bank and automaker bailouts - so the GOP's perfectly willing to bail out industries when it can score political points for doing so. And don't say he wasn't a conservative. He was conservative enough for you all when you elected him. But the Pubs taking over Congress in Jan are not the Bush Pubs. The leadership is, but they have some real people in there now, who just might give Boehner a stroke before long, and stop him from rubber stamping The Puppet's agenda. And Bush was simply the best of a bad situation. It was either him, or AlGore, or Gigolo Kerry. |
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 15, 2014 10:43:08 GMT -5
Small voices... like that of Ted Cruz... crying in the wilderness...
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Post by stevez51 on Dec 15, 2014 14:23:13 GMT -5
Depends on who's pissed off more. Pub voters because everything will be vetoed or Dems and their media friends, who will blame it on the Pubs ....... It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. But you know the media will describe every idea as bad. Even if some have Dem support. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2014 14:37:49 GMT -5
It's OK that Obama vetoes everything. The important part is the GOP showing that it's got ideas about how to make things better. But you know the media will describe every idea as bad. Even if some have Dem support. Sure, but the media has been steadily loosing it's credibility for years now. People don't but it anymore... Literally. |
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Post by stevez51 on Dec 15, 2014 17:48:59 GMT -5
But you know the media will describe every idea as bad. Even if some have Dem support. Sure, but the media has been steadily loosing it's credibility for years now. People don't but it anymore... Literally. Except for the loyal lap dogs who believe everything the media spins their way ........ |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2014 18:02:33 GMT -5
Sure, but the media has been steadily loosing it's credibility for years now. People don't but it anymore... Literally. Except for the loyal lap dogs who believe everything the media spins their way ........ Sure. There are some that even believe in what's printed in Rolling Stone. For some bizarre reason. Indeed, it's apparently more believable than Newsweek which is all but gone now. |
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