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Post by rentedmule on Jan 25, 2015 7:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by aponderer on Jan 25, 2015 9:24:38 GMT -5
Lower marginal tax rates and lefty Democrats don't mix any more than oil and water do not mix... And "tax the rich" talk by lefty Democrats appears like middle-class benefits to LIVs. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 25, 2015 12:02:42 GMT -5
The Republicans have no credible way to counter the Democrats' basic platform of "giving people stuff for votes". They give people stuff for votes, too, but it's mostly industrialists and (despite various suggestions to the contrary) those folks still only have one vote each. (Suggestions I've heared includ stripping the entitled of their votes until they are no longer on the dole - except, of course, for those entitled to Social Security and Veterans' Pensions. I've also heard suggested the granting of extra votes based on net worth - both problematic for a lot of reasons).
Their only recourse is to somehow demonstrate that such policies are unsustainable. The Democrats have handed them certain examples - see Detroit, City of - but whether they are smart enough to figure that out remains unclear.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 25, 2015 12:13:41 GMT -5
The Republicans have no credible way to counter the Democrats' basic platform of "giving people stuff for votes". They give people stuff for votes, too, but it's mostly industrialists and (despite various suggestions to the contrary) those folks still only have one vote each. (Suggestions I've heared includ stripping the entitled of their votes until they are no longer on the dole - except, of course, for those entitled to Social Security and Veterans' Pensions. I've also heard suggested the granting of extra votes based on net worth - both problematic for a lot of reasons). Their only recourse is to somehow demonstrate that such policies are unsustainable. The Democrats have handed them certain examples - see Detroit, City of - but whether they are smart enough to figure that out remains unclear. People/voters normally go to the person or entity that treats them better... and taxing very wealthy individuals at a rate of 39% (of taxable income)... leaving him millions... is quite different than taxing someone at a rate of 10%, or none at all... leaving them barely enough to provide them and/or their families enough for food, clothing, and shelter... |
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Post by redleg on Jan 26, 2015 9:24:41 GMT -5
The Republicans have no credible way to counter the Democrats' basic platform of "giving people stuff for votes". They give people stuff for votes, too, but it's mostly industrialists and (despite various suggestions to the contrary) those folks still only have one vote each. (Suggestions I've heared includ stripping the entitled of their votes until they are no longer on the dole - except, of course, for those entitled to Social Security and Veterans' Pensions. I've also heard suggested the granting of extra votes based on net worth - both problematic for a lot of reasons). Their only recourse is to somehow demonstrate that such policies are unsustainable. The Democrats have handed them certain examples - see Detroit, City of - but whether they are smart enough to figure that out remains unclear. People/voters normally go to the person or entity that treats them better... and taxing very wealthy individuals at a rate of 39% (of taxable income)... leaving him millions... is quite different than taxing someone at a rate of 10%, or none at all... leaving them barely enough to provide them and/or their families enough for food, clothing, and shelter... So, you agree with the government promotion of greed and envy, as long as it's promoting it in the "proper" circles? You think there is no link between what The Puppet is "proposing" and the kid that shoots another kid for his Nike's? |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 26, 2015 10:00:47 GMT -5
The solution lies in the fact that many Americans think of themselves as soon-to-be-millionaires that just haven't made their fortune yet.. And don't want to be hit with confiscatory taxes when they do.
The key is in understanding this, and not letting these people get discouraged by excessive regulation, or comfortable on government hand-outs.
The GOP needs to make the case that the economy will improve if the voters will continue voting high-tax, high-regulation democrats out of office, and out of the economy's way.
They need to start talking about Obama's war on prosperity.
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Post by redleg on Jan 26, 2015 11:06:18 GMT -5
The solution lies in the fact that many Americans think of themselves as soon-to-be-millionaires that just haven't made their fortune yet.. And don't want to be hit with confiscatory taxes when they do. The key is in understanding this, and not letting these people get discouraged by excessive regulation, or comfortable on government hand-outs. The GOP needs to make the case that the economy will improve if the voters will continue voting high-tax, high-regulation democrats out of office, and out of the economy's way. They need to start talking about Obama's war on prosperity. One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 26, 2015 15:04:55 GMT -5
People/voters normally go to the person or entity that treats them better... and taxing very wealthy individuals at a rate of 39% (of taxable income)... leaving him millions... is quite different than taxing someone at a rate of 10%, or none at all... leaving them barely enough to provide them and/or their families enough for food, clothing, and shelter... So, you agree with the government promotion of greed and envy, as long as it's promoting it in the "proper" circles? You think there is no link between what The Puppet is "proposing" and the kid that shoots another kid for his Nike's? I don't support greed and/or envy in any "circles"... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 26, 2015 15:13:38 GMT -5
The solution lies in the fact that many Americans think of themselves as soon-to-be-millionaires that just haven't made their fortune yet.. And don't want to be hit with confiscatory taxes when they do. The key is in understanding this, and not letting these people get discouraged by excessive regulation, or comfortable on government hand-outs. The GOP needs to make the case that the economy will improve if the voters will continue voting high-tax, high-regulation democrats out of office, and out of the economy's way. They need to start talking about Obama's war on prosperity. One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. We don't need to drill there... And I don't believe for a minute that the President is responsible for the shooting of Michael Brown... or the death of Eric Garner... or Bonehead violating the Logan Act by inviting Netanyahu to speak before the U.S. Congress... |
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Post by rentedmule on Jan 26, 2015 16:51:33 GMT -5
The solution lies in the fact that many Americans think of themselves as soon-to-be-millionaires that just haven't made their fortune yet.. And don't want to be hit with confiscatory taxes when they do. The key is in understanding this, and not letting these people get discouraged by excessive regulation, or comfortable on government hand-outs. The GOP needs to make the case that the economy will improve if the voters will continue voting high-tax, high-regulation democrats out of office, and out of the economy's way. They need to start talking about Obama's war on prosperity. One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. The lands you refer to are what is called "the commons" (or the "Kings Lands"). It belongs to the sovereign by law and tradition. Although I don't appreciate the value of state "owned" lands, I must accept that the President is legally the steward of such. |
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Post by rentedmule on Jan 26, 2015 16:56:51 GMT -5
The Republicans have no credible way to counter the Democrats' basic platform of "giving people stuff for votes". They give people stuff for votes, too, but it's mostly industrialists and (despite various suggestions to the contrary) those folks still only have one vote each. (Suggestions I've heared includ stripping the entitled of their votes until they are no longer on the dole - except, of course, for those entitled to Social Security and Veterans' Pensions. I've also heard suggested the granting of extra votes based on net worth - both problematic for a lot of reasons). Their only recourse is to somehow demonstrate that such policies are unsustainable. The Democrats have handed them certain examples - see Detroit, City of - but whether they are smart enough to figure that out remains unclear. and taxing very wealthy individuals at a rate of 39% (of taxable income)... leaving him millions... is quite different than taxing someone at a rate of 10%, or none at all... leaving them barely enough to provide them and/or their families enough for food, clothing, and shelter... You seem to agree with the OP. A proper and respectable political position is to NOT purchase voters, but to listen to the sentiments and then set about securing government policies which will enable citizens to pursue their sentiments without being encumbered by a blundering government. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 26, 2015 17:07:26 GMT -5
One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. We don't need to drill there... And I don't believe for a minute that the President is responsible for the shooting of Michael Brown... or the death of Eric Garner... or Bonehead violating the Logan Act by inviting Netanyahu to speak before the U.S. Congress... We don't need to drill there right now. It probably will be in our best interest to drill there eventually, and probably sooner rather than later. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 26, 2015 22:34:08 GMT -5
One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. We don't need to drill there... And I don't believe for a minute that the President is responsible for the shooting of Michael Brown... or the death of Eric Garner... or Bonehead violating the Logan Act by inviting Netanyahu to speak before the U.S. Congress... The President? No. But the Left is. They are the ones that set the conditions, generations ago, for Brown, and Garner. And if The Puppet can violate all the laws he wants, why can't the House? As for "needing" to drill there, that's irrelevant. The only relevant question is, "what authority does the Federal government have to confiscate land"? The answer is none. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 26, 2015 22:35:22 GMT -5
One of the Pub's main problems is that they have a leadership that is almost indistinguishable from the Dems. That, and The Puppet keeps throwing out squirrels to distract the LIV's from what's really going on. Ferguson, NY, Netanyahu, all are "crisis" jinned up to distract from the criminal disasters this regime is perpetrating on a daily basis. Now, The Puppet is proposing to simply steal millions of acres from Alaska, to make sure that we don't drill for oil there. The lands you refer to are what is called "the commons" (or the "Kings Lands"). It belongs to the sovereign by law and tradition. Although I don't appreciate the value of state "owned" lands, I must accept that the President is legally the steward of such. Really? Show me the exact paragraph and Article in the Constitution that authorizes that. I can show you one that forbids it. |
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