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Post by Ranger John on Mar 5, 2015 6:22:05 GMT -5
York Daily RecordSo my fellow Pennsylvanians elected a new Democrat Governor, and the first thing he does? Try to raise income and sales taxes. Way to own the "tax and spend liberal" stereotype, Gov. Wolf.
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 7:01:18 GMT -5
Wolf's proposals sound like they came from the O'Malley playbook. From the OP's link: "Wolf said his budget would reduce the total tax burden on average middle-class homeowners by 13 percent." I remember O'Malley, after the MGA special session on taxes, claiming that 95% of Marylanders would see a reduction in their tax bill." And he said it with a straight face.
I think the reason Wolf got elected was because there were too many LIVs that fell for the lies the Wolf election campaign put out. One was that Tom Corbett drastically reduced the state's school budget, which was a lie. Corbett's Democrat predecessor (Rendell) had the advantage of getting federal stimulus money for education. Corbett's school budget actually increased the state funding for education over Rendell's state funding for education.
However, most of us outside of the Philly area are not surprised at Wolf's proposals. Fortunately, PA with its Republican-controlled legislature is unlikely to rubber-stamp Wolf's proposals IMHO.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 5, 2015 10:08:49 GMT -5
I hope you're right about the legislature. But I get the feeling we'll be looking at partial state government shutdowns around July 1 again.
The thing that is most baffling is how could anyone not know he'd try to raise taxes? You know, other than because Gov Corbett did nothing to try to campaign.
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 10:14:15 GMT -5
Bill Clinton had to raise taxes to get the country out of the financial mess Ronald Reagan and George H W Bush had left it in... and as a result, he produced the first balanced budget since the one Jimmy Carter proposed in 1980... and the one that Richard Nixon actually had in 1969...
Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do in order to overcome the damage done by those who came before you...
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 5, 2015 10:18:13 GMT -5
Bill Clinton had to raise taxes to get the country out of the financial mess Ronald Reagan and George H W Bush had left it in... and as a result, he produced the first balanced budget since the one Jimmy Carter proposed in 1980... and the one that Richard Nixon actually had in 1969... Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do in order to overcome the damage done by those who came before you... If you'll read the article, the purpose of these tax hikes is more spending and redistribution. Pennsylvania does not have a budget gap to fill. |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 10:31:31 GMT -5
Wow! I learn something new every day. I didn't know that Carter, Clinton, Reagen, Bush, and Nixon were former PA governors...   |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 5, 2015 10:56:20 GMT -5
York Daily RecordSo my fellow Pennsylvanians elected a new Democrat Governor, and the first thing he does? Try to raise income and sales taxes. Way to own the "tax and spend liberal" stereotype, Gov. Wolf. You're aware, of course, that Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, mostly the latter, wagged the dog on that one, right? |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 11:18:49 GMT -5
York Daily RecordSo my fellow Pennsylvanians elected a new Democrat Governor, and the first thing he does? Try to raise income and sales taxes. Way to own the "tax and spend liberal" stereotype, Gov. Wolf. You're aware, of course, that Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, mostly the latter, wagged the dog on that one, right? By the number of voters, yes, but fortunately those metropolitan areas don't control the legislature. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Mar 5, 2015 12:05:19 GMT -5
Wow! I learn something new every day. I didn't know that Carter, Clinton, Reagen, Bush, and Nixon were former PA governors... yes some times some people just gotta say something, and Johnny hit me first is often the first thing they think of. |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 17:15:39 GMT -5
Wow! I learn something new every day. I didn't know that Carter, Clinton, Reagen, Bush, and Nixon were former PA governors... Neither did I... and who the hell is this "Reagen" dude anyway?...  And this Democrat governor here... isn't the governor for most folks posting here either... |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 17:17:12 GMT -5
Bill Clinton had to raise taxes to get the country out of the financial mess Ronald Reagan and George H W Bush had left it in... and as a result, he produced the first balanced budget since the one Jimmy Carter proposed in 1980... and the one that Richard Nixon actually had in 1969... Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do in order to overcome the damage done by those who came before you... If you'll read the article, the purpose of these tax hikes is more spending and redistribution. Pennsylvania does not have a budget gap to fill. I haven't read the article... I was only pointing out that "raising taxes" is not ALWAYS a bad idea... |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 17:27:44 GMT -5
Wow! I learn something new every day. I didn't know that Carter, Clinton, Reagen, Bush, and Nixon were former PA governors... Neither did I... and who the hell is this "Reagen" dude anyway?... And this Democrat governor here... isn't the governor for most folks posting here either... Reagen is the dude who invented ETIC... |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 17:30:19 GMT -5
Neither did I... and who the hell is this "Reagen" dude anyway?... And this Democrat governor here... isn't the governor for most folks posting here either... Reagen is the dude who invented ETIC... Never heard of him...  I'LL BE GONE FOR A WHILE... GOTTA GO TO A UNION MEETING OUT OF TOWN... I MEAN HOURS NOW, NOT DAYS... SO DON'T WORRY... |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 17:33:07 GMT -5
Me, too, but I gotta shovel snow...
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 5, 2015 18:38:15 GMT -5
If you'll read the article, the purpose of these tax hikes is more spending and redistribution. Pennsylvania does not have a budget gap to fill. I haven't read the article... I was only pointing out that "raising taxes" is not ALWAYS a bad idea... You really should. And take in Netanyahu's speech too. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 5, 2015 18:42:37 GMT -5
Reagen is the dude who invented ETIC... Did you, perhaps, mean Ronald Reag an? |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 18:53:28 GMT -5
I haven't read the article... I was only pointing out that "raising taxes" is not ALWAYS a bad idea... You really should. And take in Netanyahu's speech too. I haven't had time to check out the article today... (I've been selling some land)... and I'm waiting for some other opinions on the Netanyahu speech... to keep those opinions in mind when I do check it out... |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 18:54:24 GMT -5
Reagen is the dude who invented ETIC... Did you, perhaps, mean Ronald Reag an? I do remember that guy now... |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 18:55:19 GMT -5
DELAYED EXIT... I AM GOING NOW...
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Post by breakingbad on Mar 5, 2015 19:18:59 GMT -5
Why is this news?
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Post by aponderer on Mar 5, 2015 19:32:36 GMT -5
Did you, perhaps, mean Ronald Reag an? I do remember that guy now... By stating Reagen I thought I'd throw A.D. a bone... Give him something he could really get his teeth into... And did you notice that A.D. refers to the EITC as the ETIC? |
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 5, 2015 19:47:05 GMT -5
I do remember that guy now... I thought I'd throw A.D. a bone... Give him something he could really get his teeth into... Not sure I'd use "bone" and Reagan in the same sentence around A.D. You know how that makes him write absurd statements about how all of our troubles with the Muslim world are rooted in the Gulf of Sidra incident, and how he's a warmonger and all. Saying "Reagan" to A.D. is a little like saying "Mattress" to Mr. Lambert. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 5, 2015 19:47:22 GMT -5
And did you notice that A.D. refers to the EITC as the ETIC? No, I missed that one.  |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 5, 2015 23:12:49 GMT -5
And did you notice that A.D. refers to the EITC as the ETIC? No, I missed that one. So did Aponderer... till I gave him cause to look for something... "Intrinsic Value" in progress... I caught the "e" immediately... |
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Post by redleg on Apr 6, 2015 11:29:21 GMT -5
Bill Clinton had to raise taxes to get the country out of the financial mess Ronald Reagan and George H W Bush had left it in... and as a result, he produced the first balanced budget since the one Jimmy Carter proposed in 1980... and the one that Richard Nixon actually had in 1969... Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do in order to overcome the damage done by those who came before you... You mean like Reagan did to repair the damage of Carter's disasters? And Clinton did it on the backs of the military. Remember the "peace dividend"? Wonder why he had to raise taxes, when he was getting so much back from gutting the military. Again? And he left Bush with a recession to deal with, as well as a war that he was too busy banging interns to bother with. |
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