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Post by Evil Yoda on May 24, 2015 15:47:00 GMT -5
... following eldest Duggar child Josh's admission that he is a serial sexual predator of underage girls - possibly including some of his own sisters. ArticleIt was a mistake to celebrate this lifestyle to begin with. TLC needs to pull the plug, permanently. |
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Post by rocketwolf on May 24, 2015 16:14:37 GMT -5
YUCk and double yuck another garbage show that was a waste of air time
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Post by Ranger John on May 24, 2015 17:33:12 GMT -5
... following eldest Duggar child Josh's admission that he is a serial sexual predator of underage girls - possibly including some of his own sisters. ArticleIt was a mistake to celebrate this lifestyle to begin with. TLC needs to pull the plug, permanently. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the accusation dates back to when Josh was 14, and under age himself. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 24, 2015 18:59:16 GMT -5
... following eldest Duggar child Josh's admission that he is a serial sexual predator of underage girls - possibly including some of his own sisters. ArticleIt was a mistake to celebrate this lifestyle to begin with. TLC needs to pull the plug, permanently. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the accusation dates back to when Josh was 14, and under age himself. I hadn't heard about it. The difference is that now, he has admitted it. It's no longer an accusation. And lest someone misunderstand I will clarify: the lifestyle to which I object is one that regards women as chattel suitable only for breeding and/or sex. |
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Post by aboutwell on May 24, 2015 19:05:43 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the accusation dates back to when Josh was 14, and under age himself. I hadn't heard about it. The difference is that now, he has admitted it. It's no longer an accusation. And lest someone misunderstand I will clarify: the lifestyle to which I object is one that regards women as chattel suitable only for breeding and/or sex. He admitted it back then... agreed to get "counseling"... “counseling” received by a state trooper and friend of the family who gave Josh a “very stern talk” in lieu of taking official action... a state trooper, Jim Hutchins, who is currently serving 56 years in prison for child pornography... Duggar endorsed Chris McDaniel in Mississippi's U. S. Senate race last year... as did his friend Rick Santorum... www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/5-22-2015-1-14-47-AM.jpg |
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Post by Ranger John on May 24, 2015 19:14:30 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the accusation dates back to when Josh was 14, and under age himself. I hadn't heard about it. The difference is that now, he has admitted it. It's no longer an accusation. And lest someone misunderstand I will clarify: the lifestyle to which I object is one that regards women as chattel suitable only for breeding and/or sex. I get nervous when I agree with aboutwell, but I believe he is correct with the details. Rape is always a crime, even at 14. But I believe this case was adjudicated as far as it could go, given the actions of the police, and would likely have been expunged when he turned 18. So far as anyone knows, Duggar is not s pedophile. As for the 19 kids, I doubt Mrs. Duggar feels exploited. Some women simply want to have as many children as possible. |
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Post by aboutwell on May 24, 2015 19:15:55 GMT -5
No need to get "nervous"... get "proud"...
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Post by Ranger John on May 25, 2015 16:07:48 GMT -5
No need to get "nervous"... get "proud"... It does bug me when the media apparently distorts these things with the apparent goal of destroying someone. And in this case, his family as well. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 25, 2015 16:14:11 GMT -5
I get nervous when I agree with aboutwell, but I believe he is correct with the details. Rape is always a crime, even at 14. But I believe this case was adjudicated as far as it could go, given the actions of the police, and would likely have been expunged when he turned 18. So far as anyone knows, Duggar is not s pedophile. The recidivism rate for convicted rapists seems to be around 24%, and for convicted molestors of young boys around 35%. Those are floors, and some reoffend at much higher rates. I suspect that he'll be one of these because be has already offended more than once. He should have received treatment but he did not. Why is anyone's guess, but I'm betting it had to do with publicity and cash flow. Expunging his record but not remanding him for therapy seems unwise. As for the 19 kids, I doubt Mrs. Duggar feels exploited. Some women simply want to have as many children as possible. Given the world population and the number of starving people, is it wise to celebrate such women? I believe not. Mrs. Duggar does not impress me as being particularly well-endowed intellectually. Did she chose that lifestyle? Or was it the least objectionable of several poor choices, constrained by her limits? I don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:24:38 GMT -5
Yes Mrs. Duggar chose her current lifestyle. When the Duggars first married they lived a differently and changed due to losing their first baby.
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Post by aboutwell on May 25, 2015 17:40:41 GMT -5
No need to get "nervous"... get "proud"... It does bug me when the media apparently distorts these things with the apparent goal of destroying someone. And in this case, his family as well. Bugs me too... I'm not into that... |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 17:49:48 GMT -5
It appears releasing these documents may have been in violation of the law protecting minors.
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Post by Ranger John on May 25, 2015 18:05:50 GMT -5
I get nervous when I agree with aboutwell, but I believe he is correct with the details. Rape is always a crime, even at 14. But I believe this case was adjudicated as far as it could go, given the actions of the police, and would likely have been expunged when he turned 18. So far as anyone knows, Duggar is not s pedophile. The recidivism rate for convicted rapists seems to be around 24%, and for convicted molestors of young boys around 35%. Those are floors, and some reoffend at much higher rates. I suspect that he'll be one of these because be has already offended more than once. He should have received treatment but he did not. Why is anyone's guess, but I'm betting it had to do with publicity and cash flow. Expunging his record but not remanding him for therapy seems unwise. Again, the incidents occurred when Dougar was 14. Molesting other kids AROUND HIS OWN AGE is not the same as an adult molesting minors. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE he has re-offended. Who's celebrating it? It's an unusual lifestyle, and apparently the family is interesting enough to draw an audience. I don't watch 19 and counting. But it's less offensive than the Kardashian family. Or, for that matter Leena Dunham, who essentially admitted to molesting her younger sister in her book. But she somehow managed to get a pass. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 25, 2015 18:07:53 GMT -5
It appears releasing these documents may have been in violation of the law protecting minors. I would not be surprised. There seems to be a concerted effort to destroy Josh Duggar, and the left has never let the law get in the way of their efforts to destroy people. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 25, 2015 21:48:01 GMT -5
Again, the incidents occurred when Dougar was 14. Molesting other kids AROUND HIS OWN AGE is not the same as an adult molesting minors. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE he has re-offended. Some of them may have been his own sisters. That's NEVER, EVER good. I guess time will tell if it was wise to let him off with a slap on the wrist, eh? But let's remember that Sandusky offended for years up at Penn State because people enabled it. Sexual predators are among those for whom I have zero tolerance. I would never allow him around my children unsupervised (but, then, I would never allow a Catholic priest around my children unsupervised, and a lot of Catholics seem to be giving their organization a pass, too). Who's celebrating it? It's an unusual lifestyle, and apparently the family is interesting enough to draw an audience. I don't watch 19 and counting. But it's less offensive than the Kardashian family. Well, that's true enough. Putting stupidity on television validates it. One of the reasons we have certain societal problems is because (a) there are a lot of television choices, and many are poor, and (b) people (especially parents) are insufficiently discriminatory. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 25, 2015 22:37:10 GMT -5
Again, the incidents occurred when Dougar was 14. Molesting other kids AROUND HIS OWN AGE is not the same as an adult molesting minors. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE he has re-offended. Some of them may have been his own sisters. That's NEVER, EVER good. I guess time will tell if it was wise to let him off with a slap on the wrist, eh? But let's remember that Sandusky offended for years up at Penn State because people enabled it. Sexual predators are among those for whom I have zero tolerance. I would never allow him around my children unsupervised (but, then, I would never allow a Catholic priest around my children unsupervised, and a lot of Catholics seem to be giving their organization a pass, too). Sandusky is an adult, Dugar was not. Sandusky took advantage of people much younger than himself, Dougar did not. At best, this is a bad comparison. At worst, it is a deliberate smear. You have frequently pointed out that minors frequently make poor decisions due to incomplete development. Especially when it came to the young woman who at age 17, had had enough of chemotherapy. Dougar was 14 when he molested another young person. That doesn't make what he did right. But it also doesn't make him what you keep insisting he is: an adult that took advantage of people much younger than himself. |
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Post by aboutwell on May 26, 2015 8:55:00 GMT -5
As I have said before, Republicans tend to hold things like this against someone for the rest of their lives... personally, I don't... Duggar made a horrible mistake in his behavior when he was a young teen... I'd like to think that it's something he hasn't done since nor will likely ever do again... but I think the real problem here is that it was swept under the rug and kept covered up for so long... AND, he didn't even see a counselor... only a friend of the family... and the founder of the facility Duggar did go to was alleged to have molested 34 women himself... (which comes with the territory in such facilities)... and now, it' s politics... and politics is dirty dirty... defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment- |
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Post by redleg on May 26, 2015 9:08:57 GMT -5
I get nervous when I agree with aboutwell, but I believe he is correct with the details. Rape is always a crime, even at 14. But I believe this case was adjudicated as far as it could go, given the actions of the police, and would likely have been expunged when he turned 18. So far as anyone knows, Duggar is not s pedophile. The recidivism rate for convicted rapists seems to be around 24%, and for convicted molestors of young boys around 35%. Those are floors, and some reoffend at much higher rates. I suspect that he'll be one of these because be has already offended more than once. He should have received treatment but he did not. Why is anyone's guess, but I'm betting it had to do with publicity and cash flow. Expunging his record but not remanding him for therapy seems unwise. As for the 19 kids, I doubt Mrs. Duggar feels exploited. Some women simply want to have as many children as possible. Given the world population and the number of starving people, is it wise to celebrate such women? I believe not. Mrs. Duggar does not impress me as being particularly well-endowed intellectually. Did she chose that lifestyle? Or was it the least objectionable of several poor choices, constrained by her limits? I don't know. The "world population" starves because of Leftist graft and dictatorship. None of their kids were deprived, starved, or forced to work outside the home to support the rest. And you apparently rest your view on the fact that she's had 19 kids. And is Christian. Neither of which will stand up to scrutiny. I have no idea what her real mental faculties are, but basing your opinion on what's shown on TV is rather shallow. |
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Post by redleg on May 26, 2015 9:12:19 GMT -5
As I have said before, Republicans tend to hold things like this against someone for the rest of their lives... personally, I don't... Duggar made a horrible mistake in his behavior when he was a young teen... I'd like to think that it's something he hasn't done since nor will likely ever do again... but I think the real problem here is that it was swept under the rug and kept covered up for so long... AND, he didn't even see a counselor... only a friend of the family... and the founder of the facility Duggar did go to was alleged to have molested 34 women himself... (which comes with the territory in such facilities)... and now, it' s politics... and politics is dirty dirty... defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment-And Democrats not only give a complete pass to this sort of thing, as long as they are Democrats, they run them for office. Or promote them, if they are already in office. |
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Post by aboutwell on May 26, 2015 9:22:48 GMT -5
As I have said before, Republicans tend to hold things like this against someone for the rest of their lives... personally, I don't... Duggar made a horrible mistake in his behavior when he was a young teen... I'd like to think that it's something he hasn't done since nor will likely ever do again... but I think the real problem here is that it was swept under the rug and kept covered up for so long... AND, he didn't even see a counselor... only a friend of the family... and the founder of the facility Duggar did go to was alleged to have molested 34 women himself... (which comes with the territory in such facilities)... and now, it' s politics... and politics is dirty dirty... defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269www.people.com/article/inside-josh-duggar-treatment-And Democrats not only give a complete pass to this sort of thing, as long as they are Democrats, they run them for office. Or promote them, if they are already in office. That is your opinion... and an opinion that is NOT true... (some here call me a Democrat... and I don't agree with what you are saying)... but it IS your right to be wrong... I could give you a list of just such individuals here in Mississippi who couldn't even get on the Democratic ballot because of such allegations... much less, convictions... |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 10:43:45 GMT -5
... following eldest Duggar child Josh's admission that he is a serial sexual predator of underage girls - possibly including some of his own sisters. ArticleIt was a mistake to celebrate this lifestyle to begin with. TLC needs to pull the plug, permanently. Actually the cable companies need to pull TLC, permanently. It was originally The Learning Channel which actually had interesting educational content like showing how open heart surgery was done. I'm sick of crap reality tv ruining all the channels. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 26, 2015 14:17:23 GMT -5
Dougar was 14 when he molested another young person. That doesn't make what he did right. But it also doesn't make him what you keep insisting he is: an adult that took advantage of people much younger than himself. I did not claim he was an adult who took advantage of people much younger than himself. I claimed a likelihood that he will reoffend, *becoming* such an adult. I said I would not trust him around children. I regard those as reasonable precautions given his predilections, to which he has admitted. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 26, 2015 15:25:45 GMT -5
Dougar was 14 when he molested another young person. That doesn't make what he did right. But it also doesn't make him what you keep insisting he is: an adult that took advantage of people much younger than himself. I did not claim he was an adult who took advantage of people much younger than himself. I claimed a likelihood that he will reoffend, *becoming* such an adult. I said I would not trust him around children. I regard those as reasonable precautions given his predilections, to which he has admitted. And then you compared him to Sandusky. Would you keep children away from Leena Dunham? That's the apt comparison here. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 26, 2015 15:38:59 GMT -5
And then you compared him to Sandusky. Because I believe he can't be trusted around children, and neither can Sandusky. I loathe child abusers, and I fear that, without help, Josh Duggar will become one. I'm also really curious what sort of pathological situation led him to offend in that way. A lot of child abusers were themselves abused. Would you keep children away from Leena Dunham? That's the apt comparison here. I had to look her up. That story appears to have been ginned up by some right-wing blogger. So many bloggers lie about so much it's difficult to be sure whether she's a sexual predator or not. At this point, I'd want supervision, just to be safe. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 26, 2015 16:13:16 GMT -5
And then you compared him to Sandusky. Because I believe he can't be trusted around children, and neither can Sandusky. I loathe child abusers, and I fear that, without help, Josh Duggar will become one. I'm also really curious what sort of pathological situation led him to offend in that way. A lot of child abusers were themselves abused. I'm sorry, but there's a fundamental difference between an adult that abuses children, and teenagers who have sex with each other. The story about her molesting her sister came out of her book. |
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