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Post by niamhaine on Jul 25, 2015 11:00:31 GMT -5
A friend was posting pictures from his Gettysburg day with his grandson on FB. One of the pictures posted was of the Irish Brigade memorial showing where someone has placed several large dog biscuits between the wolfhound's paws. WTH? I saw this the day after I saw the picture of the parents walking barefoot in the Memorial Pool in DC while their son snapped their picture next to the sign that said to please not wade or throw coins into the memorial pool. Aretha's R-E-S-P-E-C-T just keeps running through my mind.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 25, 2015 18:15:36 GMT -5
There need to be crimes, like this, that carry very hefty financial penalties. Idiots like this don't belong in jail, but they do need to be stung. Say, $1000 and 100 hours of community service for the first offense.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 26, 2015 16:50:06 GMT -5
A friend was posting pictures from his Gettysburg day with his grandson on FB. One of the pictures posted was of the Irish Brigade memorial showing where someone has placed several large dog biscuits between the wolfhound's paws. WTH? I saw this the day after I saw the picture of the parents walking barefoot in the Memorial Pool in DC while their son snapped their picture next to the sign that said to please not wade or throw coins into the memorial pool. Aretha's R-E-S-P-E-C-T just keeps running through my mind. Ah... "respect" doesn't exist anymore. Partly it comes from people demanding it when they don't deserve it, and this causes people to not have any real sense of who and what actually does deserve it. And the other piece is that we've been filling people's heads with the notion that everyone is special for a couple of generations now (on the basis that building their self-esteem on a foundation of quicksand is, somehow, a good thing), and a there are a lot of dullards out there who actually believe they are special. That said, on the list of ignorant behavior, the dog biscuits are somewhere way down the list, well shy of criminal. Especially if they were picked up after they photo was taken. If 'dopey' was a crime, all of us would have to pay up at some point - that's just the human condition. The twits wading in the memorial pool in front of the sign that says no wading in the memorial pool, on the other hand, deserve a big fat fine. Or, there is this option for people who can't be bothered to obey a sign: |
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Post by Olive on Jul 26, 2015 18:39:34 GMT -5
dog bones and people wading in the memorial is not something that makes me think the world is getting crazier.
In the full scope of things its actually pretty minor.
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Post by niamhaine on Jul 26, 2015 18:47:42 GMT -5
There was no one else at the Irish Brigade Memorial when my friend arrived with his grandson, so the biscuits had been left there. I guess because my playgrounds when I was young were Gettysburg and Harpers Ferry, and I'm a Spangler descendent, I just don't get the need to feel you have the right to "add" something to the monuments/memorials.
As for the Memorial Pond, showing such disrespect is just totally beyond me. |
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Post by niamhaine on Jul 26, 2015 18:53:01 GMT -5
dog bones and people wading in the memorial is not something that makes me think the world is getting crazier. In the full scope of things its actually pretty minor. Perhaps a better phrase would have been "totally self-absorbed", personally I find it to be a lack of respect. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 26, 2015 18:59:01 GMT -5
There was no one else at the Irish Brigade Memorial when my friend arrived with his grandson, so the biscuits had been left there. I guess because my playgrounds when I was young were Gettysburg and Harpers Ferry, and I'm a Spangler descendent, I just don't get the need to feel you have the right to "add" something to the monuments/memorials.
As for the Memorial Pond, showing such disrespect is just totally beyond me. That is disappointing. Many years ago, I spent a summer working at Antietam. People who really know such places tend to treat them much more as hallowed ground. When you sit there on one of those battlefields let it wash over you a bit and think about what happened there, it changes your perspective a LOT. The people who just breeze through on a day-visit don't put that sort of thought into it. Those monuments tend to be cold, sterile sorts of places if you don't spend any time thinking about what they mean. I spent the summer building split rail fence on the Mumma farm not far from Bloody Lane. I remember a conversation I had with my boss not long before we started working on the fence. The crew that had the job 2-3 years earlier was working on fence along Bloody Lane and discovered remains left over from the battle. It makes you think a bit more when you realize you might be digging up someone's grave. |
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Post by niamhaine on Jul 27, 2015 4:57:05 GMT -5
There was no one else at the Irish Brigade Memorial when my friend arrived with his grandson, so the biscuits had been left there. I guess because my playgrounds when I was young were Gettysburg and Harpers Ferry, and I'm a Spangler descendent, I just don't get the need to feel you have the right to "add" something to the monuments/memorials.
As for the Memorial Pond, showing such disrespect is just totally beyond me. That is disappointing. Many years ago, I spent a summer working at Antietam. People who really know such places tend to treat them much more as hallowed ground. When you sit there on one of those battlefields let it wash over you a bit and think about what happened there, it changes your perspective a LOT. The people who just breeze through on a day-visit don't put that sort of thought into it. Those monuments tend to be cold, sterile sorts of places if you don't spend any time thinking about what they mean. I spent the summer building split rail fence on the Mumma farm not far from Bloody Lane. I remember a conversation I had with my boss not long before we started working on the fence. The crew that had the job 2-3 years earlier was working on fence along Bloody Lane and discovered remains left over from the battle. It makes you think a bit more when you realize you might be digging up someone's grave. Antietam, that's always a tough visit for me. My son was raised on visits to the monuments and walking the battlefields. Now he and I are working on the grandchildren, but they're in that teen "selfie" stage at the moment. The good news being they are taking their pict with the monument. 
I realize that a large number of people "live in the moment", but they would not be having that "moment" without the sacrifice of those who are being remembered and honored. I guess I'm harsh, but if someone feels the need to trash and disrespect the monuments to our history, a better place to spend your time would be the putt-putt course and amusement rides.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 27, 2015 7:59:11 GMT -5
dog bones and people wading in the memorial is not something that makes me think the world is getting crazier. In the full scope of things its actually pretty minor. Perhaps a better phrase would have been "totally self-absorbed", personally I find it to be a lack of respect. Not only that, but young folks often neglect to just plain read, or if they do read, ignore what they've read. For example, in a college machine shop, there is a prominent sign on a pedestal grinder: "Do NOT grind aluminum!" I walked up to a student grinding aluminum and told him to stop, and pointed to the sign on the grinder, right in front of him. "Oh, I didn't see that" was his excuse.  That student was "totally self-absorbed" in removing metal the fastest, most convenient way at the moment for the student, without consideration of others (aluminum clogs grinding wheels, and makes them not very useful without refacing those wheels). And it's not just young folks... Have you seen, recently, any driver who ignored a stop sign (i.e., didn't STOP) while driving? Unfortunately some of those scofflaws have killed or injured others, or have been killed or seriously injured in an accident themselves because they ignored the STOP sign, so it's not a little deal... |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 27, 2015 9:17:31 GMT -5
That is disappointing. Many years ago, I spent a summer working at Antietam. People who really know such places tend to treat them much more as hallowed ground. When you sit there on one of those battlefields let it wash over you a bit and think about what happened there, it changes your perspective a LOT. The people who just breeze through on a day-visit don't put that sort of thought into it. Those monuments tend to be cold, sterile sorts of places if you don't spend any time thinking about what they mean. I spent the summer building split rail fence on the Mumma farm not far from Bloody Lane. I remember a conversation I had with my boss not long before we started working on the fence. The crew that had the job 2-3 years earlier was working on fence along Bloody Lane and discovered remains left over from the battle. It makes you think a bit more when you realize you might be digging up someone's grave. Antietam, that's always a tough visit for me. My son was raised on visits to the monuments and walking the battlefields. Now he and I are working on the grandchildren, but they're in that teen "selfie" stage at the moment. The good news being they are taking their pict with the monument.
I realize that a large number of people "live in the moment", but they would not be having that "moment" without the sacrifice of those who are being remembered and honored. I guess I'm harsh, but if someone feels the need to trash and disrespect the monuments to our history, a better place to spend your time would be the put-put course and amusement rides.
At least they're still visiting these places. Maybe after a couple trips they'll start to get the sacrifice that was made there. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 27, 2015 9:22:34 GMT -5
Perhaps a better phrase would have been "totally self-absorbed", personally I find it to be a lack of respect. Not only that, but young folks often neglect to just plain read, or if they do read, ignore what they've read. For example, in a college machine shop, there is a prominent sign on a pedestal grinder: "Do NOT grind aluminum!" I walked up to a student grinding aluminum and told him to stop, and pointed to the sign on the grinder, right in front of him. "Oh, I didn't see that" was his excuse. That student was "totally self-absorbed" in removing metal the fastest, most convenient way at the moment for the student, without consideration of others (aluminum clogs grinding wheels, and makes them not very useful without refacing those wheels). And it's not just young folks... Have you seen, recently, any driver who ignored a stop sign (i.e., didn't STOP) while driving? Unfortunately some of those scofflaws have killed or injured others, or have been killed or seriously injured in an accident themselves because they ignored the STOP sign, so it's not a little deal... I will say, especially with young people, they need to be taught the why behind the sign. The do not wade in the memorial pool sign should have been an obvious thing... Indeed, shouldn't need a sign at all. Not just the lack of respect for what it is, but for personal safety. |
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Post by niamhaine on Jul 27, 2015 9:51:54 GMT -5
Antietam, that's always a tough visit for me. My son was raised on visits to the monuments and walking the battlefields. Now he and I are working on the grandchildren, but they're in that teen "selfie" stage at the moment. The good news being they are taking their pict with the monument.
I realize that a large number of people "live in the moment", but they would not be having that "moment" without the sacrifice of those who are being remembered and honored. I guess I'm harsh, but if someone feels the need to trash and disrespect the monuments to our history, a better place to spend your time would be the put-put course and amusement rides.
At least they're still visiting these places. Maybe after a couple trips they'll start to get the sacrifice that was made there. One can only hope. At Gettysburg, the number of non PA and MD plates is pretty high and the various accents encountered at the main sites, such as the Round Tops and Devil's Den, has always given me a boost that there is a large interest (especially after a rerun of "Gettysburg" has been shown on TV ).
I'm worried right now because I had arranged to have a Revolutionary War plaque put on an ancestor's grave while I'm over here. I was told not to buy a very expensive one because they are being stolen from graveyards. That's not encouraging, but since it's Evergreen Cemetery and the groundskeeper there does a great job, I'm hoping everything will be OK. (The irony is this ancestor had to be reinterred after they decided to put a building on the graveyard where he and his wife were. He appears to be the only Revolutionary War soldier buried amongst the soldiers from later wars in Evergreen.)
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Post by pahunter on Jul 28, 2015 8:26:45 GMT -5
Its all about me these days people don't care about the past or the future.
Not all people but far to many.
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Post by shutout on Jul 29, 2015 22:34:06 GMT -5
A friend was posting pictures from his Gettysburg day with his grandson on FB. One of the pictures posted was of the Irish Brigade memorial showing where someone has placed several large dog biscuits between the wolfhound's paws. WTH? I saw this the day after I saw the picture of the parents walking barefoot in the Memorial Pool in DC while their son snapped their picture next to the sign that said to please not wade or throw coins into the memorial pool. Aretha's R-E-S-P-E-C-T just keeps running through my mind. Would you have had such passion if it hadn't been the Irish Brigade but another monument? Yes, I know you mentioned the pool....but it seems the irish Brigade memorial was the catalyst. |
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Post by niamhaine on Jul 30, 2015 2:12:15 GMT -5
A friend was posting pictures from his Gettysburg day with his grandson on FB. One of the pictures posted was of the Irish Brigade memorial showing where someone has placed several large dog biscuits between the wolfhound's paws. WTH? I saw this the day after I saw the picture of the parents walking barefoot in the Memorial Pool in DC while their son snapped their picture next to the sign that said to please not wade or throw coins into the memorial pool. Aretha's R-E-S-P-E-C-T just keeps running through my mind. Would you have had such passion if it hadn't been the Irish Brigade but another monument? Yes, I know you mentioned the pool....but it seems the irish Brigade memorial was the catalyst. I'm not into the desecration of any monuments, gravesites, etc.- period. A friend happened to post that picture on FB the day after I saw the memorial pool picture (on which I did leave a comment). If he had posted a picture of someone leaving crap in the nooks and crannies of the MD. Brother Against Brother or Louisiana memorials, etc., my response would have been the same.
And really, "catalyst" to what...my opinion?!? Maybe it's time to move on to another bridge.....
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Post by Olive on Jul 31, 2015 20:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by niamhaine on Aug 1, 2015 2:23:29 GMT -5
And the key phrase here is "at the foot of the monument", in the case of dog biscuits- not broken apart and stuffed down into the crevices of the sculpture to take how long to finally completely dissolve. |
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That student was "totally self-absorbed" in removing metal the fastest, most convenient way at the moment for the student, without consideration of others (aluminum clogs grinding wheels, and makes them not very useful without refacing those wheels).
