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Post by Ranger John on Jul 30, 2015 11:18:03 GMT -5
Yahoo News/APIn my opinion, at $75,000 a pop for three charges each, they're not asking for nearly enough.
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Post by Cowboyz on Jul 30, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
Yahoo News/APIn my opinion, at $75,000 a pop for three charges each, they're not asking for nearly enough. I agree, not nearly enough.
I also can't believe those involved still have their jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:06:42 GMT -5
Good.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 30, 2015 12:14:05 GMT -5
Yahoo News/APIn my opinion, at $75,000 a pop for three charges each, they're not asking for nearly enough. I agree, not nearly enough.
I also can't believe those involve still have their jobs.
I suppose it doesn't really matter at Rolling Stone anymore. That publication's reputation is done amongst thinking people. So they may as well go down with the sinking ship. Hopefully everyone associated with this story is permanently unemployable in the media world... bud sadly, I doubt that's the case.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 30, 2015 14:32:33 GMT -5
Good. Let the courts examine the matter. Hopefully this won't result in a settlement with a gag order - if it does, you can be sure it was a cash grab and not a matter of principal.
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Post by Cowboyz on Jul 30, 2015 15:27:13 GMT -5
I agree, not nearly enough.
I also can't believe those involve still have their jobs.
I suppose it doesn't really matter at Rolling Stone anymore. That publication's reputation is done amongst thinking people. So they may as well go down with the sinking ship. Hopefully everyone associated with this story is permanently unemployable in the media world... bud sadly, I doubt that's the case. Accountability is almost non existent anymore!!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 30, 2015 15:43:50 GMT -5
What needs to happen to discourage false rape allegations is to nail one or two such accusers - charge them with perjury or filing a false police report. But, thanks to decades of chiefly male lawyers making it look like the rape victim was responsible for her crime (why would you dress like that? why would you go there? and so forth), this will never happen. They created a climate in which women often suffered in silence, reasonably sure the justice system would not help them. Now, in an attempt to correct that, the justice system has tilted too far the other way.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 30, 2015 16:42:24 GMT -5
What needs to happen to discourage false rape allegations is to nail one or two such accusers - charge them with perjury or filing a false police report. But, thanks to decades of chiefly male lawyers making it look like the rape victim was responsible for her crime (why would you dress like that? why would you go there? and so forth), this will never happen. They created a climate in which women often suffered in silence, reasonably sure the justice system would not help them. Now, in an attempt to correct that, the justice system has tilted too far the other way. Actually, the problem lies with the very nature of rape. Unless the victim goes to the hospital right away for an exam, there's usually precious little evidence of the crime, and it becomes a he-said-she-said case. And, at the end of the day, convicting someone for a criminal matter on a he-said-she-said basis is wrong. I don't know how you fix this, other than making sure the woman gets to the hospital for that exam. Right now though, rape is probably both the most under-reported and falsely-reported crime in the country. It's under-reported because of the shame and stigma that goes with it. And it's falsely reported because women know that the process is the punishment, and all they need to do to make someone miserable is make the accusation. The latter problem is especially acute on college campuses where rape victims are becoming something akin to folk heroes and men can be expelled just on an accusation.
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Post by kemmer on Jul 30, 2015 23:00:26 GMT -5
What needs to happen to discourage false rape allegations is to nail one or two such accusers - charge them with perjury or filing a false police report. But, thanks to decades of chiefly male lawyers making it look like the rape victim was responsible for her crime (why would you dress like that? why would you go there? and so forth), this will never happen. They created a climate in which women often suffered in silence, reasonably sure the justice system would not help them. Now, in an attempt to correct that, the justice system has tilted too far the other way. It doesn't help that getting drunk and screaming, "Yes! Yes! Yes!" while pulling a guy's zipper down, is now cause to cry rape in the morning. I agree that defense lawyers used to have a field day with rape victims. If it could be proved that a woman-- be she 40 years old-- was no longer a virgin at the time of the rape, that indicated loose morals which could be twisted into consent. However, we shouldn't be casting, "Geeze, I wish I hadn't done that last night," as rape. Adult women should be expected to behave like adults. That means owning up when you made a mistake and sent all the wrong signals. I don't know if the pseudo-feminists understand what they're really saying when they claim women are always victims, and men (their dates) are always the responsible party when the sexes interact. It looks like a prescription for keeping poor, helpless females under the watchful eyes of a father or wise, elder brother--perhaps locked in a tower?-- until her care can be handed over to a husband of her benevolent patriarch's choice. *shudder*
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Post by Cowboyz on Jul 31, 2015 9:31:21 GMT -5
What needs to happen to discourage false rape allegations is to nail one or two such accusers - charge them with perjury or filing a false police report. But, thanks to decades of chiefly male lawyers making it look like the rape victim was responsible for her crime (why would you dress like that? why would you go there? and so forth), this will never happen. They created a climate in which women often suffered in silence, reasonably sure the justice system would not help them. Now, in an attempt to correct that, the justice system has tilted too far the other way. I completely agree. I wonder if the girl that accused the Duke Lacrosse team was ever charged?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -5
What needs to happen to discourage false rape allegations is to nail one or two such accusers - charge them with perjury or filing a false police report. But, thanks to decades of chiefly male lawyers making it look like the rape victim was responsible for her crime (why would you dress like that? why would you go there? and so forth), this will never happen. They created a climate in which women often suffered in silence, reasonably sure the justice system would not help them. Now, in an attempt to correct that, the justice system has tilted too far the other way. I completely agree. I wonder if the girl that accused the Duke Lacrosse team was ever charged? She is in prison. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/11/22/crystal-mangum-duke-lacrosse-rape-accuser-guilty-murder/3680701/
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Post by Cowboyz on Jul 31, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -5
Well, that's a pretty good deterrent!!
Thanks Mom!!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 31, 2015 11:13:48 GMT -5
She's in prison but she was never charged for that. The best thing to come out of that case was Mike Nifong's disbarment, since he was clearly ethically incompetent to serve as a prosecutor.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 31, 2015 11:18:00 GMT -5
She's in prison but she was never charged for that. The best thing to come out of that case was Mike Nifong's disbarment, since he was clearly ethically incompetent to serve as a prosecutor. Hows about the faculty and administration of a prestigious university that suddenly became jurists and social vigilantes? The crime was actually being "rich" white men.
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Post by freddfish on Aug 4, 2015 8:28:48 GMT -5
The whole witch hunt by Nifong and the odious "Gang of 88" gave the rest of us outside academia a look at the twisted mentality of some of these people.
Worth noting that the subjects they taught were "Womens Studies", "___-American Studies" and other similar tripe. The professors of the hard sciences, where constants, evidence, facts etc are the foundation, were conspicuous in their absence.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 4, 2015 21:22:07 GMT -5
Worth noting that the subjects they taught were "Womens Studies", "___-American Studies" and other similar tripe. The professors of the hard sciences, where constants, evidence, facts etc are the foundation, were conspicuous in their absence. Yep. Most of that crowd was from the pointless areas of "scholarship" that were created as a kind of "you're all winners" ribbon of academia.
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Post by freddfish on Aug 5, 2015 11:59:03 GMT -5
She's in prison but she was never charged for that. The best thing to come out of that case was Mike Nifong's disbarment, since he was clearly ethically incompetent to serve as a prosecutor. She should have been charged with (whatever the term is for making a false accusation) on an innocent person. The fact that she wound up in prison on an unrelated charge is irrelevant. Only by holding these liars PERSONALLY accountable will we see less of their lies, and the lives they affect ruined.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 5, 2015 14:20:59 GMT -5
She's in prison but she was never charged for that. The best thing to come out of that case was Mike Nifong's disbarment, since he was clearly ethically incompetent to serve as a prosecutor. She should have been charged with (whatever the term is for making a false accusation) on an innocent person. The fact that she wound up in prison on an unrelated charge is irrelevant. Only by holding these liars PERSONALLY accountable will we see less of their lies, and the lives they affect ruined. You would think the feminists would be really upset by the Crystal Mangums of the world and want to see them imprisoned. This sort of thing is really bad for rape victims who will have a steeper and steeper hill to climb.
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Post by freddfish on Aug 6, 2015 7:58:12 GMT -5
She should have been charged with (whatever the term is for making a false accusation) on an innocent person. The fact that she wound up in prison on an unrelated charge is irrelevant. Only by holding these liars PERSONALLY accountable will we see less of their lies, and the lives they affect ruined. You would think the feminists would be really upset by the Crystal Mangums of the world and want to see them imprisoned. This sort of thing is really bad for rape victims who will have a steeper and steeper hill to climb. I don't think liars worry hard-line feminists the way they do normal people....not as long as their lies are propping up the narrative.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 6, 2015 8:10:43 GMT -5
You would think the feminists would be really upset by the Crystal Mangums of the world and want to see them imprisoned. This sort of thing is really bad for rape victims who will have a steeper and steeper hill to climb. I don't think liars worry hard-line feminists the way they do normal people....not as long as their lies are propping up the narrative. The hard line feminist ARE liars. Why do you think you keep seeing that 'women make 77 cents on the dollar' lie, over and over again?
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Post by freddfish on Aug 11, 2015 10:33:42 GMT -5
I don't think liars worry hard-line feminists the way they do normal people....not as long as their lies are propping up the narrative. The hard line feminist ARE liars. Why do you think you keep seeing that 'women make 77 cents on the dollar' lie, over and over again? Right up there with the "4 out of 5 women raped in college". At that rate, the rape frequency on an elite Ivy-League college campus would have to exceed, by a HUGE margin, that of the worst hell-hole of a ghetto in the CONUS...or East Prussia when the Red Army swept through. The rest of the nation may stand around in slack-jawed awe at this stuff...but us boring engineer types who have to deal with grown-up, real world stuff like facts, statistical analysis, trends, cause and effect, etc just aren't buying it.
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