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Post by aboutwell on Aug 7, 2015 22:01:57 GMT -5
CWA Calls on AT&T Southeast to Get Serious in Bargaining
Washington, D.C. -- With just a little more than a day until the Saturday night, Aug. 8 contract expiration, members of the Communications Workers of America are calling on AT&T Southeast to get serious about bargaining a fair contract.
CWA represents 28,000 workers at AT&T Southeast. This week, CWA members at AT&T Southeast voted overwhelmingly – by a 96 percent vote -- to authorize union leaders to call a strike if a fair contract can’t be reached.
After weeks of negotiations, the CWA bargaining team reports that AT&T Southeast management continues to demand concessions in job security, health care, and working conditions, including a demand for excessive forced overtime.
AT&T is a very profitable company, posting profits of $6.5 billion in 2014. Workers at AT&T deserve to share in the company’s success.
There’s still time to turn this around and we hope to see some constructive negotiations in the remaining hours before expiration.
The negotiations cover 28,000 AT&T Southeast workers in nine states: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee, at AT&T Southeast, AT&T Utility Operations and BellSouth Billing. A separate contract covering workers at YP Holdings also expires tomorrow evening.
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Post by redleg on Aug 8, 2015 9:44:47 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 8, 2015 18:53:07 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. I'll add "labor law" to the list of things you don't understand. Damn. Looks like I've filled another book.  |
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Post by redleg on Aug 8, 2015 19:58:46 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. I'll add "labor law" to the list of things you don't understand. Damn. Looks like I've filled another book. State or Federal? If Fed, what is the authority for the Feds to control labor contracts? |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 8, 2015 23:37:40 GMT -5
No work stoppage... working day-to-day without a contract... no contract extension...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 9, 2015 10:31:51 GMT -5
State or Federal? If Fed, what is the authority for the Feds to control labor contracts? The law, as presently written, says employers can't fire employees for striking. That's why they can't do what you suggested. Whether that law is Constitutional or not is a different challenge. That argument does seem like something the Republicans - the party that supports only corporations - would take on. I don't think it would make them too popular with working stiffs, though. |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 9, 2015 10:36:25 GMT -5
But thanks to Ronald Reagan they can hire as many replacement scabs as they want... problem is, after the work stoppage has ended, all strikers come back to work... and the replacements can't be fired without cause... but they find a way...
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Post by redleg on Aug 9, 2015 20:09:52 GMT -5
State or Federal? If Fed, what is the authority for the Feds to control labor contracts? The law, as presently written, says employers can't fire employees for striking. That's why they can't do what you suggested. Whether that law is Constitutional or not is a different challenge. That argument does seem like something the Republicans - the party that supports only corporations - would take on. I don't think it would make them too popular with working stiffs, though. "Only corporations"? Really? LIke The Puppet giving trillions to GE, the insurance companies, mega banks, as long as they had paid enough bribe money to the DNC, the ATF, EPA, FCC, FEC, HHS, DHS, ect? All those corporations are on the DNC payroll. So, how are the Pubs the ones that only support corporations. And, obviously, you support the idea that the law is only the law if the Democrats agree with it. Otherwise, who cares about the law? Like the DA in WI, that was sending pre dawn raids on families that might have supported Pubs. No laws broken, he just wanted to terrorize Pubs. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 9, 2015 21:46:20 GMT -5
"Only corporations"? Really? LIke The Puppet giving trillions to GE, the insurance companies, mega banks, as long as they had paid enough bribe money to the DNC, the ATF, EPA, FCC, FEC, HHS, DHS, ect? All those corporations are on the DNC payroll. So, how are the Pubs the ones that only support corporations. I did not say that Democrats don't support corporations. They do. But Republicans ONLY support corporations. People, the environment, peace... these things they do not support. And, obviously, you support the idea that the law is only the law if the Democrats agree with it. Otherwise, who cares about the law? Like the DA in WI, that was sending pre dawn raids on families that might have supported Pubs. No laws broken, he just wanted to terrorize Pubs. No, I merely pointed out what the law says. Right now, it says you can't fire people for striking. Corporations used to really mistreat people, until unions put a stop to it. Not allowing corporations to fire people for striking was one of those laws. Now, you can claim the law is unconstitutional, but until you actually get the USSC to agree, you're wrong. |
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Post by rentedmule on Aug 10, 2015 8:02:00 GMT -5
"People, the environment, peace... these things they do not support."
Whew! I had NO idea how bad those guys are!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 8:29:46 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. Perhaps the union workers should get together, start their own communications company, and fire AT&T. |
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Post by redleg on Aug 10, 2015 9:49:58 GMT -5
"Only corporations"? Really? LIke The Puppet giving trillions to GE, the insurance companies, mega banks, as long as they had paid enough bribe money to the DNC, the ATF, EPA, FCC, FEC, HHS, DHS, ect? All those corporations are on the DNC payroll. So, how are the Pubs the ones that only support corporations. I did not say that Democrats don't support corporations. They do. But Republicans ONLY support corporations. People, the environment, peace... these things they do not support. And, obviously, you support the idea that the law is only the law if the Democrats agree with it. Otherwise, who cares about the law? Like the DA in WI, that was sending pre dawn raids on families that might have supported Pubs. No laws broken, he just wanted to terrorize Pubs. No, I merely pointed out what the law says. Right now, it says you can't fire people for striking. Corporations used to really mistreat people, until unions put a stop to it. Not allowing corporations to fire people for striking was one of those laws. Now, you can claim the law is unconstitutional, but until you actually get the USSC to agree, you're wrong. 1. Again, wrong. Just because the Party of the KKK wants to totally destroy the economy, and kill as many as they need to to get people living in caves, all to protect us from the myth of "global warming" doesn't mean they support the environment. In fact, they are out to destroy the environment. Ever seen the results of Communist control of a country? What that does to the environment? The best way to support the environment is to have a healthy, wealthy economy. That's the only way that people can afford to worry about such idiocy as "global warming". 2. A law is not a law if it violates the Constitution. The fact that the Federal government has no authority to interfere in labor disputes means that there is no law governing union contracts. The 10 A says so. 3. The USSC has no authority to give the Feds control over labor disputes. It's not in the Constitution, so the USSC can't say it is, and make it stick. It's time for states to start ignoring the USSC any time they violate their oath to 'uphold the Constitution', like they did in both of the Puppettax disputes and the gay "marriage" fiasco. |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 10, 2015 14:08:53 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. Perhaps the union workers should get together, start their own communications company, and fire AT&T. They do that after they retire... |
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Post by freddfish on Aug 10, 2015 15:27:17 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. Perhaps the union workers should get together, start their own communications company, and fire AT&T. Now THAT would be funny to watch...in a slipping-on-a-banana-peel kind of way  |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 10, 2015 15:45:15 GMT -5
1. Again, wrong. Just because the Party of the KKK wants to totally destroy the economy, and kill as many as they need to to get people living in caves, all to protect us from the myth of "global warming" doesn't mean they support the environment. In fact, they are out to destroy the environment. Ever seen the results of Communist control of a country? What that does to the environment? The best way to support the environment is to have a healthy, wealthy economy. That's the only way that people can afford to worry about such idiocy as "global warming". Objection, non-responsive. 2. A law is not a law if it violates the Constitution. The fact that the Federal government has no authority to interfere in labor disputes means that there is no law governing union contracts. The 10 A says so. 3. The USSC has no authority to give the Feds control over labor disputes. It's not in the Constitution, so the USSC can't say it is, and make it stick. It's time for states to start ignoring the USSC any time they violate their oath to 'uphold the Constitution', like they did in both of the Puppettax disputes and the gay "marriage" fiasco. Tell you what. Pick a law you think violates the Constitution, and then stop obeying it. Don't challenge it legally, just quit obeying it. And let us know how that works out for you. |
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Post by redleg on Aug 11, 2015 19:44:06 GMT -5
1. Again, wrong. Just because the Party of the KKK wants to totally destroy the economy, and kill as many as they need to to get people living in caves, all to protect us from the myth of "global warming" doesn't mean they support the environment. In fact, they are out to destroy the environment. Ever seen the results of Communist control of a country? What that does to the environment? The best way to support the environment is to have a healthy, wealthy economy. That's the only way that people can afford to worry about such idiocy as "global warming". Objection, non-responsive. 2. A law is not a law if it violates the Constitution. The fact that the Federal government has no authority to interfere in labor disputes means that there is no law governing union contracts. The 10 A says so. 3. The USSC has no authority to give the Feds control over labor disputes. It's not in the Constitution, so the USSC can't say it is, and make it stick. It's time for states to start ignoring the USSC any time they violate their oath to 'uphold the Constitution', like they did in both of the Puppettax disputes and the gay "marriage" fiasco. Tell you what. Pick a law you think violates the Constitution, and then stop obeying it. Don't challenge it legally, just quit obeying it. And let us know how that works out for you. A short, but much needed block of instruction. If I stick a firearm in your face and take your wallet, do I therefore have the authority to do so? Regardless of what the law is. Point explained: because the government has the power to force it's dictates doesn't mean it has the authority to do so. Case in point, the current regime is ignoring the rulings of a judge, in a trial, to turn over documents. In fact, the government, by way of one of it's lawyers, has told one of the defendants to destroy said documents. So, why should anyone obey any law this regime wants obeyed? |
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Post by husagafella on Aug 11, 2015 21:02:38 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. I'll add "labor law" to the list of things you don't understand. Damn. Looks like I've filled another book. Not true if it's an economic strike, they can be replaced. We'll add it to the long list of things you act like you know everything about but in fact are quite ignorant. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Aug 13, 2015 7:09:54 GMT -5
Perhaps the union workers should get together, start their own communications company, and fire AT&T. Now THAT would be funny to watch...in a slipping-on-a-banana-peel kind of way With union tendencies towards thugism it would be interesting to see what the leaders would do to workers when the company started going south. Then what the workers would do to the leaders in return. Probably get real ugly in a hurry. |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 13, 2015 8:43:32 GMT -5
Big rally for a fair contract in Atlanta Saturday... I'll be there...
And BTW, Rocketwolf and Microg... as I said, many have done that very successfully after, and even before retirement... I've even been asked about my interest in working with a couple of them... never have... I planned well...
And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News...
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Post by rentedmule on Aug 14, 2015 7:48:42 GMT -5
Let them strike. Then AT&T can fire them all, and hire real workers. Perhaps the union workers should get together, start their own communications company, and fire AT&T. Depending on your personal viewpoint, THAT is exactly how labor performs when it develops within a reasonable capitalist economy. In the US, the dominant player amongst investors are pension funds. They are courted by all and can make or break any business entity. Karl Marx was the first to understand the virtue of the joint stock company - how it empowered labor to participate in ownership of the means of production. The problem with Mr. Marx, as is the problem with labor, is in their inablity to understand that life (and production) is Not a zero sum game, and that with cooperation and understanding everyone in society can benefit. |
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Post by immrblue on Aug 15, 2015 15:19:40 GMT -5
Big rally for a fair contract in Atlanta Saturday... I'll be there... And BTW, Rocketwolf and Microg... as I said, many have done that very successfully after, and even before retirement... I've even been asked about my interest in working with a couple of them... never have... I planned well... And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News... Or watch the news. ::)https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=examples+of+union+thuggery&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001 |
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Post by husagafella on Aug 15, 2015 15:33:27 GMT -5
Big rally for a fair contract in Atlanta Saturday... I'll be there... And BTW, Rocketwolf and Microg... as I said, many have done that very successfully after, and even before retirement... I've even been asked about my interest in working with a couple of them... never have... I planned well... And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News... Pa Kettle heading to the big city again. Ma going with you? How long does it take to get over the in the horse and buggy? |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 15, 2015 15:33:35 GMT -5
And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News... That depends on the union. The Teamsters have been mobbed up for decades. |
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Post by husagafella on Aug 15, 2015 15:35:53 GMT -5
And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News... That depends on the union. The Teamsters have been mobbed up for decades. Didn't you already show that you don't know much about labor law earlier in this thread? What are you watching movies from the 50's again  |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 15, 2015 22:47:41 GMT -5
Big rally for a fair contract in Atlanta Saturday... I'll be there... And BTW, Rocketwolf and Microg... as I said, many have done that very successfully after, and even before retirement... I've even been asked about my interest in working with a couple of them... never have... I planned well... And unions, as a whole, don't tend to act thuggish, Rocketwolf... unless you ask someone like Fox News... Pa Kettle heading to the big city again. Ma going with you? How long does it take to get over the in the horse and buggy? Ma stayed home to tend to the farm animals... and we went in one of them fancy new four wheelers... only about 5 hours drive... |
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