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Post by redleg on Nov 7, 2016 12:11:56 GMT -5
You should read something other than Democrat Underground. It has contributed to the highest and fastest rise in health care costs in history. Not even close to being right, Redleg... the rise in healthcare costs are coming down... they were approaching 20% per year in the 80's... And they are at 110% in some states, now. You refuse to accept the fact that the cost of insurance is a part of the cost of health care. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 7, 2016 12:12:02 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer single payer... but I don't think that was the intent of the Act... Either it was the intent of the Act, or the Act's authors were so staggeringly incompetent that they shouldn't be allowed to hold any job with any real responsibility, ever again. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 7, 2016 12:12:57 GMT -5
You seem to ignore it when it's Democrat politicians that are the source of that greed. We're not talking about politicians here, Redleg... we're talking about businesses... Politics, especially Democrat politics, is a business. Just like the Mafia and La Cosa Nostra are businesses, and just as legal and ethical. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 7, 2016 12:14:32 GMT -5
Remember: Democrats, especially the unionized ones, think the economy is static, so when someone earns more, someone's else necessarily has to pay. The concept of wealth generation is foreign to them. Why do you think the economy always sucks when they're running it? That's not even remotely true. For the last 85 years or so the stock market has performed better under Democratic Presidencies than Republican ones. I don't know anyUnion people who didn't believe in wealth generation. That's nonsense. They are the only people who earn a decent wage and can actually sock some money away. Most everybody else were played for suckers and are depending on a 401k to keep them going. Of course it has. Democrats are criminals, so they steal from the taxpayer to give to their financiers in Wall Street, to get some of it back. Just like The Felon has been doing for 30 years or more. |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:11:02 GMT -5
So the medical facility or doctor will get paid by those who receive the service without having to raise their prices... and I believe the SCOTUS said they could... on both counts... Why should anyone be able to get a service, any service, and rely one someone else to pay for it? Especially when the payer doesn't know, has never met, and probably never will meet, the person receiving the service? Would you demand that from, say, a union rep? How about a lawyer? Every time someone goes to the emergency room and can't pay... or even goes to the doctor's office and can't pay,,... you and I are paying that bill... the ACA want's to try to see that that does not continue to happen... |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:14:38 GMT -5
We're getting away from the point here... but it's not "choosing a profession"... certain professions simply pay more $$$... it's when those within that profession... (in this case, the insurance companies)... choose to raise their rates above what is reasonable and customary r what they have been charging... (less, inflation, of course)... as an example, if your doctor was charging $100 per office visit but found that most of his patients could pay more... decides to raise hi rate to $150... he might drop other patients who couldn't pay the new rates... and if you were one of them, you'd have to pay up... or find another doctor... So are all professions subject to the reasonable and customary rule, or just healthcare? Yes, others are... but we are discussing the healthcare industry here... and I didn't say reasonable and customary "rule"... but you know what I meant... I hope... |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:16:01 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer single payer... but I don't think that was the intent of the Act... Either that, or the architects of the Act should now be in a rubber room, with a jacket with really long sleeves. As for single payer, of course you would. You have been union your entire life, and therefore expected someone else to not only pay, but make your decisions for you. You, Sir, are full of sh!t on that last comment... |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:18:28 GMT -5
Please point out in this post where I said a damn thing about the Act being illegal?... Nowhere have you, or anyone else, shown the legal authority for the Federal government to unilaterally, and over the objections of a majority of the populace, confiscate the entire health care industry. If there is no legal authority, then it's an illegal act. And you call it The Puppet's "legacy". Nowhere in the Constitution does it give authority for a President to enact laws to make a "legacy". No, and it doesn't say the President can wear briefs either... so that must be illegal too, huh?... |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:19:57 GMT -5
Not even close to being right, Redleg... the rise in healthcare costs are coming down... they were approaching 20% per year in the 80's... And they are at 110% in some states, now. You refuse to accept the fact that the cost of insurance is a part of the cost of health care. No, it is not... some people don't even have health insurance... |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 7, 2016 14:21:34 GMT -5
We're not talking about politicians here, Redleg... we're talking about businesses... Politics, especially Democrat politics, is a business. Just like the Mafia and La Cosa Nostra are businesses, and just as legal and ethical. No, it is not... |
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Post by vosa on Nov 7, 2016 15:11:07 GMT -5
Did your expenses exceed your income? No... why you ask?... Because I doubt you would take a job where the pay didn't cover your expenses and yet that's exactly what you expect insurance companies to do. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 7, 2016 17:44:42 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out.
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Post by cyclegeek on Nov 7, 2016 17:48:29 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out. LOL! Considering Mark Cuban is a Hillary boot licker and a part of the oligarchy no one's surprised that this is his opinion. On top of that, Mark Cuban doesn't have to worry about Obamacare taking away his doctors or doubling or tripling his premiums. So his opinion really doesn't matter. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 7, 2016 18:10:32 GMT -5
Every time someone goes to the emergency room and can't pay... or even goes to the doctor's office and can't pay,,... you and I are paying that bill... the ACA want's to try to see that that does not continue to happen... That was a simple fix. Permit hospitals to decide whether to treat or not, but if they choose to treat they can't amortize that cost across other patients. Effect: hospitals cease treating individuals who can't pay. Effect: those individuals purchase insurance without a government mandate, because all the sudden it's the most important thing for them to buy. For the desperately poor, we already had Medicaid. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 7, 2016 18:13:13 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out. It's different in a very important way: a startup with a bad product or a bad business model fails, and something better replaces it. The Democrats can't afford to let Obamacare fail, as they would stand revealed as idiots. So they will keep throwing OPM at it no matter what happens. |
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Post by cyclegeek on Nov 8, 2016 6:05:00 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out. It's different in a very important way: a startup with a bad product or a bad business model fails, and something better replaces it. The Democrats can't afford to let Obamacare fail, as they would stand revealed as idiots. So they will keep throwing OPM at it no matter what happens. Maybe the rich and famous who like it so much could put their money where their mouth is so to speak. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 9:59:15 GMT -5
Why should anyone be able to get a service, any service, and rely one someone else to pay for it? Especially when the payer doesn't know, has never met, and probably never will meet, the person receiving the service? Would you demand that from, say, a union rep? How about a lawyer? Every time someone goes to the emergency room and can't pay... or even goes to the doctor's office and can't pay,,... you and I are paying that bill... the ACA want's to try to see that that does not continue to happen... If they are so poor that they can't buy real insurance, they qualify for Medicaid. If they are too lazy or too stupid to sign up for that, they shouldn't be treated. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 10:00:17 GMT -5
Nowhere have you, or anyone else, shown the legal authority for the Federal government to unilaterally, and over the objections of a majority of the populace, confiscate the entire health care industry. If there is no legal authority, then it's an illegal act. And you call it The Puppet's "legacy". Nowhere in the Constitution does it give authority for a President to enact laws to make a "legacy". No, and it doesn't say the President can wear briefs either... so that must be illegal too, huh?... Ah, so you have no idea what the limitations on the Federal government are, and have no problem with the Feds ignoring the law, as long as it benefits you. Got it. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 10:01:25 GMT -5
And they are at 110% in some states, now. You refuse to accept the fact that the cost of insurance is a part of the cost of health care. No, it is not... some people don't even have health insurance... That's a blatant lie. The Puppet SAID that Puppettax was to force EVERYONE in the country to have health insurance, and he's never wrong, and would never lie. That means EVERYONE has health insurance. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 10:02:38 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out. Yes, it's a "startup" to turning us completely into a fascist society, just what The Felon, and all her supporters want, until you find out what it really means. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 8, 2016 10:04:41 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said Obamacare is basically a great big startup and should be treated this way. It's going to have its learning curve but eventually everything will be smoothed out. Yes, it's a "startup" to turning us completely into a fascist society, just what The Felon, and all her supporters want, until you find out what it really means. You don't have a clue what fascism really is do you? |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 8, 2016 10:05:45 GMT -5
No, it is not... some people don't even have health insurance... That's a blatant lie. The Puppet SAID that Puppettax was to force EVERYONE in the country to have health insurance, and he's never wrong, and would never lie. That means EVERYONE has health insurance. There is a small penalty to pay for those who do not have health insurance... I'm thinking it was something like $400 per year... people like Limbaugh will happily pay that... |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 10:07:22 GMT -5
Yes, it's a "startup" to turning us completely into a fascist society, just what The Felon, and all her supporters want, until you find out what it really means. You don't have a clue what fascism really is do you? Far more than you, or any other serf does. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2016 10:07:49 GMT -5
That's a blatant lie. The Puppet SAID that Puppettax was to force EVERYONE in the country to have health insurance, and he's never wrong, and would never lie. That means EVERYONE has health insurance. There is a small penalty to pay for those who do not have health insurance... I'm thinking it was something like $400 per year... people like Limbaugh will happily pay that... Fine. You pay it. I have no desire to. |
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 8, 2016 10:33:55 GMT -5
Because I doubt you would take a job where the pay didn't cover your expenses and yet that's exactly what you expect insurance companies to do. That's just common sense... not many would work somewhere that actually cost them $$$... but I do know a couple... and I am not talking about the insurance agents... I'm talking about the insurance company making outrageous profits... after expenses. of course... |
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