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Post by Ranger John on Jan 8, 2017 10:36:06 GMT -5
Whether a woman chases money and power has nothing to do with whether a man respects women or not. And what Trump said, and the way he said it, clearly says he thinks little of women. As a male that was brought up to respect women, not just open doors for them, I find Trump's comments toward women very disrespectful. I'll go further. Those that would here put his disgusting comments down to "just locker room talk" are no better than him. I've been in my fair share of locker rooms and heard such talk, I wouldn't pass any of it off as 'just anyththing', it's crude and should be outed as such. I'm no prude but it offends me when any arsehole puts such outrageous statements down to "just locker oom talk", just be honest and own own it. Wkdwzd, help me out here... I feel I may have underestimated you. Watching you preen about how respectful you are in a post where you refer to others as aresholes calls to mind a young John Cleese explaining the grave national importance of the Ministry of Silly Walks. You're trying to give a master class in the dry wit of classic British humor, aren't you? Majestic comedy full of self parody and impossible levels of irony? My hat is off to you sir. Do you write for Mr. Cleese? Or are you just a connoisseur of his excellent work? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:55:38 GMT -5
As a male that was brought up to respect women, not just open doors for them, I find Trump's comments toward women very disrespectful. I'll go further. Those that would here put his disgusting comments down to "just locker room talk" are no better than him. I've been in my fair share of locker rooms and heard such talk, I wouldn't pass any of it off as 'just anyththing', it's crude and should be outed as such. I'm no prude but it offends me when any arsehole puts such outrageous statements down to "just locker oom talk", just be honest and own own it. Wkdwzd, help me out here... I feel I may have underestimated you. Watching you preen about how respectful you are in a post where you refer to others as aresholes calls to mind a young John Cleese explaining the grave national importance of the Ministry of Silly Walks. You're trying to give a master class in the dry wit of classic British humor, aren't you? Majestic comedy full of self parody and impossible levels of irony? My hat is off to you sir. Do you write for Mr. Cleese? Or are you just a connoisseur of his excellent work? Okay, so we've established that you are in the 'locker room demeaning of women is all hunky-dory' group then. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 8, 2017 10:59:57 GMT -5
Then what Trump said has nothing to do with whether or not he respects women, because what he essentially said is women chase money and power. Your post is a non-sequitur. I suppose a Republican loyalist would see it that way, sure. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 8, 2017 13:18:44 GMT -5
Wkdwzd, help me out here... I feel I may have underestimated you. Watching you preen about how respectful you are in a post where you refer to others as aresholes calls to mind a young John Cleese explaining the grave national importance of the Ministry of Silly Walks. You're trying to give a master class in the dry wit of classic British humor, aren't you? Majestic comedy full of self parody and impossible levels of irony? My hat is off to you sir. Do you write for Mr. Cleese? Or are you just a connoisseur of his excellent work? Okay, so we've established that you are in the 'locker room demeaning of women is all hunky-dory' group then. Wait.... your irony was unintentional? I should be laughing at you instead of with you? I guess I over-estimated you instead. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 8, 2017 13:22:56 GMT -5
Then what Trump said has nothing to do with whether or not he respects women, because what he essentially said is women chase money and power. Your post is a non-sequitur. I suppose a Republican loyalist would see it that way, sure. Your bias is someone who detests both sides. It's causing you to see something that simply isn't there. Observing that women throw themselves at him because he is wealthy and famous simply isn't sexist. The way he said it is crude. Class-less, sure. Boorish, absolutely. Piggish, most definitely. But it's not sexist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 13:52:37 GMT -5
Okay, so we've established that you are in the 'locker room demeaning of women is all hunky-dory' group then. Wait.... your irony was unintentional? I should be laughing at you instead of with you? I guess I over-estimated you instead. Many clever men than you have tried, and failed, to 'estimate' me dude, you don't even make the top half dozen.  |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 8, 2017 18:22:38 GMT -5
The way he said it is crude. Class-less, sure. Boorish, absolutely. Piggish, most definitely. But it's not sexist. The way he said it, that particular word, I was taught (and believe) displays contempt for women. Evidently, you and the Pubs disagree. But ask yourself how you would feel if someone referred to a female friend, lover, wife or child of yours using that term. Would you excuse them as simply crude, or would you realize they lacked all respect for the object of their statement? |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 8, 2017 18:30:00 GMT -5
The way he said it is crude. Class-less, sure. Boorish, absolutely. Piggish, most definitely. But it's not sexist. The way he said it, that particular word, I was taught (and believe) displays contempt for women. Evidently, you and the Pubs disagree. But ask yourself how you would feel if someone referred to a female friend, lover, wife or child of yours using that term. Would you excuse them as simply crude, or would you realize they lacked all respect for the object of their statement? We covered this further up. He has shown disrespect for specific women. If he was speaking about an individual, it would show extreme disrespect for that individual. It doesn't show disrespect for everyone. If I call you an ass, I'm not showing disrespect for men, or Jedi masters. I'm showing disrespect to you. Do you understand the difference between a woman (singular) and women (the gender?). And I don't believe you've never used the p-word before. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 8, 2017 19:21:38 GMT -5
The way he said it is crude. Class-less, sure. Boorish, absolutely. Piggish, most definitely. But it's not sexist. The way he said it, that particular word, I was taught (and believe) displays contempt for women. Evidently, you and the Pubs disagree. But ask yourself how you would feel if someone referred to a female friend, lover, wife or child of yours using that term. Would you excuse them as simply crude, or would you realize they lacked all respect for the object of their statement? That female acquaintance would never know, would they? So your question is pretty moot. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 8, 2017 20:56:34 GMT -5
We covered this further up. He has shown disrespect for specific women. If he was speaking about an individual, it would show extreme disrespect for that individual. It doesn't show disrespect for everyone. If I call you an ass, I'm not showing disrespect for men, or Jedi masters. I'm showing disrespect to you. Do you understand the difference between a woman (singular) and women (the gender?). And I don't believe you've never used the p-word before. We'll have to disagree. You're giving him a pass you wouldn't give Obama, however. You're free to believe what you like. I don't use that word. All I can do is say that honestly; I can't convince you and don't care to try further. I will say (with apologies to Twelve Angry Men, I think) that I don't use that word for the same reason Trump does. Because that's how I was raised. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 8, 2017 20:58:04 GMT -5
That female acquaintance would never know, would they? So your question is pretty moot. But you would know. What you you think of that person? I wish I were more surprised at the lengths to which you Trump apologists will go just because he's got an (R) after his name and you someone think he has the same agenda as you. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 8, 2017 21:40:35 GMT -5
That female acquaintance would never know, would they? So your question is pretty moot. But you would know. What you you think of that person? I wish I were more surprised at the lengths to which you Trump apologists will go just because he's got an (R) after his name and you someone think he has the same agenda as you. I would think that's just locker room talk. It's not like that person is actually going to get close to any female acquaintances of mine anyway. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 8, 2017 22:13:50 GMT -5
But you would know. What you you think of that person? I wish I were more surprised at the lengths to which you Trump apologists will go just because he's got an (R) after his name and you someone think he has the same agenda as you. I would think that's just locker room talk. It's not like that person is actually going to get close to any female acquaintances of mine anyway. That's the funniest thing I have read this week. How can they get close to "female acquaintances of mine" when you keep her locked in trunks... "Shall Not Abuse, Shall Not Contact....." |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 9, 2017 9:15:58 GMT -5
I would think that's just locker room talk. It's not like that person is actually going to get close to any female acquaintances of mine anyway. That's the funniest thing I have read this week. How can they get close to "female acquaintances of mine" when you keep her locked in trunks... "Shall Not Abuse, Shall Not Contact....." LOL. Delusional as ever. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 9, 2017 12:37:01 GMT -5
We covered this further up. He has shown disrespect for specific women. If he was speaking about an individual, it would show extreme disrespect for that individual. It doesn't show disrespect for everyone. If I call you an ass, I'm not showing disrespect for men, or Jedi masters. I'm showing disrespect to you. Do you understand the difference between a woman (singular) and women (the gender?). And I don't believe you've never used the p-word before. We'll have to disagree. You're giving him a pass you wouldn't give Obama, however. You're free to believe what you like. I don't use that word. All I can do is say that honestly; I can't convince you and don't care to try further. I will say (with apologies to Twelve Angry Men, I think) that I don't use that word for the same reason Trump does. Because that's how I was raised. I'm not giving Trump a pass. I've stipulated to him being crude and piggish. The piece we're arguing over is whether his being crude makes him sexist. I don't think it does. It just makes him crude. The closest equivalent I can think of in the Obama administration was the whole Special Olympics comment controversy. I pretty much did give him a pass on it. Of all the things to complain about, that wasn't even in the top 50. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2017 9:53:58 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree. You're giving him a pass you wouldn't give Obama, however. You're free to believe what you like. I don't use that word. All I can do is say that honestly; I can't convince you and don't care to try further. I will say (with apologies to Twelve Angry Men, I think) that I don't use that word for the same reason Trump does. Because that's how I was raised. I'm not giving Trump a pass. I've stipulated to him being crude and piggish. The piece we're arguing over is whether his being crude makes him sexist. I don't think it does. It just makes him crude. The closest equivalent I can think of in the Obama administration was the whole Special Olympics comment controversy. I pretty much did give him a pass on it. Of all the things to complain about, that wasn't even in the top 50. You miss the point. The idea isn't that he's really sexist, or racist, or anything else. The idea is to implant that in the vacuums between the ears of the idiots that they control, so that they can drum up outrage over anything he says or does. Waco Billy Boy raped women, but he's an idol for the mindless Left. Trump isn't a Leftist, as far as we know, so he has to be destroyed from the outset. |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 10, 2017 10:06:23 GMT -5
I'm not giving Trump a pass. I've stipulated to him being crude and piggish. The piece we're arguing over is whether his being crude makes him sexist. I don't think it does. It just makes him crude. The closest equivalent I can think of in the Obama administration was the whole Special Olympics comment controversy. I pretty much did give him a pass on it. Of all the things to complain about, that wasn't even in the top 50. You miss the point. The idea isn't that he's really sexist, or racist, or anything else. The idea is to implant that in the vacuums between the ears of the idiots that they control, so that they can drum up outrage over anything he says or does. Waco Billy Boy raped women, but he's an idol for the mindless Left. Trump isn't a Leftist, as far as we know, so he has to be destroyed from the outset. Trump raped women too. So what's your point, Obleo? |
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Post by bobloblaw on Jan 10, 2017 11:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2017 10:19:07 GMT -5
Of course. The mindless are terrified of retribution if the stray from the path dictated by the commissars of the Left. Can't have any actual thought going on on the Left, it might cause problems for the dictators. |
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Post by winston on Jan 11, 2017 16:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2017 17:48:50 GMT -5
A perfect illustration of my point.  |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 12, 2017 13:47:15 GMT -5
Of course. The mindless are terrified of retribution if the stray from the path dictated by the commissars of the Left. Can't have any actual thought going on on the Left, it might cause problems for the dictators. These little glimpses of your world, the world of the far right, are alternately amusing and disturbing.  |
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Post by winston on Jan 12, 2017 19:32:00 GMT -5
A perfect illustration of my point. Your point is where the sun does shine on your person.  |
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Post by winston on Jan 12, 2017 19:33:06 GMT -5
Of course. The mindless are terrified of retribution if the stray from the path dictated by the commissars of the Left. Can't have any actual thought going on on the Left, it might cause problems for the dictators. These little glimpses of your world, the world of the far right, are alternately amusing and disturbing. It makes him happy. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 12, 2017 20:40:23 GMT -5
Of course. The mindless are terrified of retribution if the stray from the path dictated by the commissars of the Left. Can't have any actual thought going on on the Left, it might cause problems for the dictators. These little glimpses of your world, the world of the far right, are alternately amusing and disturbing. Really? Look at the Lefitsts warning any entertainers that they are through in the industry if they dare perform at Trump's innauguration. Look at the vitriol and threats to colleges that are sending their students to perform. I just watched an interview with a college president that said he's receiving death threats, and being threatened with firing if he allows their band to perform. The Left can't abide freedom of thought or action, because if someone does what they want, instead of what the Leftist masters want, they lose power. Look at the idiocy of the "celebrities' during their "I love me" fest on TV. Look at the mental midget, Rosie O'Donnell, calling for martial law to prevent Trump from being inaugurated. The Left has always been mentally unbalanced, but now they are raving lunatics. |
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