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Post by redleg on Jan 9, 2018 9:58:46 GMT -5
So, anybody that gets drunk, drives off a bridge, leaves someone in the car to drown, and waits 24 hours to call the police is not responsible for the death? He was driving. Whether she was drunk or not is irrelevant. She wasn't driving. He bailed out on someone in his car, that he drove into a canal, and let her die. Period. He should have been indicted and tried on manslaughter charges if nothing else. He wasn't because he was a Kennedy, and his family could get him out of nearly anything. And he had the LR media on his side. Word is, Redleg... that she was trapped in the car... and even after several attempts, he could not remove her from it... likely she drowned during that period of time... and she was in the car with him voluntarily... And are you sure it was 24 hours before he reported it to anyone?... ".....the story of what happened that night and why it took Kennedy some ten hours to report the accident to the local Edgartown police....."... Which is it? I have read both. Even 10 hours indicates intent to have her drown. There is no excuse for not calling the police immediately. She might have been saved. She might not. Either way, he had the responsibility to call them immediately. He didn't.
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Post by redleg on Jan 9, 2018 10:01:23 GMT -5
Be careful there, Kemmer... I'm never right with some of these folks... and Kennedy did serve a (short) sentence for leaving the scene of the accident... short, no doubt, because the court considered the fact that he was likely intoxicated... and not fully responsible for his actions... which also likely was a factor in being successful with a manslaughter charge... Being drunk and having an accident is a crime. Courts all over the country consider an intoxicated individual responsible for any damage or injuries they cause. So why was Kennedy absolved? Because he was a Kennedy, in his backyard. Manslaughter, even 2nd degree murder convictions are achieved all the time in drunk driving accidents.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 9, 2018 10:52:03 GMT -5
Word is, Redleg... that she was trapped in the car... and even after several attempts, he could not remove her from it... likely she drowned during that period of time... and she was in the car with him voluntarily... And are you sure it was 24 hours before he reported it to anyone?... ".....the story of what happened that night and why it took Kennedy some ten hours to report the accident to the local Edgartown police....."... Which is it? I have read both. Even 10 hours indicates intent to have her drown. There is no excuse for not calling the police immediately. She might have been saved. She might not. Either way, he had the responsibility to call them immediately. He didn't. It don't take 10 hours to drown, Redleg... (10 hours wouldn't indicate "intent" any more than a few minutes would have)... and the man was drunk... nobody around close by to tell at the time... and no traffic... have you read either of the books I mentioned?... We have a local man here in my home town that has just been indicted on charges stemming from his girlfriend's death... (shot)... and he called his attorney first too... I'll let you know how it turns out... he wasn't even drunk or drinking... but his family is big $$$ people in the community...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 9, 2018 10:57:19 GMT -5
Be careful there, Kemmer... I'm never right with some of these folks... and Kennedy did serve a (short) sentence for leaving the scene of the accident... short, no doubt, because the court considered the fact that he was likely intoxicated... and not fully responsible for his actions... which also likely was a factor in being successful with a manslaughter charge... Being drunk and having an accident is a crime. Courts all over the country consider an intoxicated individual responsible for any damage or injuries they cause. So why was Kennedy absolved? Because he was a Kennedy, in his backyard. Manslaughter, even 2nd degree murder convictions are achieved all the time in drunk driving accidents. A bit more complicated than that, Redleg... people are held accountable for being at fault in the accident... not necessarily drunk... drunk drivers are often cited for DUI or DWI... and being drunk has actually been used as a DEFENSE in such cases... saying they were not fully responsible for their actions...
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 9, 2018 15:36:36 GMT -5
The contortions continue. Isn't amazing how tribalism makes people bend over backwards to either defend or vilify someone just based on which tribe they are in?
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2018 9:36:05 GMT -5
I have read both. Even 10 hours indicates intent to have her drown. There is no excuse for not calling the police immediately. She might have been saved. She might not. Either way, he had the responsibility to call them immediately. He didn't. It don't take 10 hours to drown, Redleg... (10 hours wouldn't indicate "intent" any more than a few minutes would have)... and the man was drunk... nobody around close by to tell at the time... and no traffic... have you read either of the books I mentioned?... We have a local man here in my home town that has just been indicted on charges stemming from his girlfriend's death... (shot)... and he called his attorney first too... I'll let you know how it turns out... he wasn't even drunk or drinking... but his family is big $$$ people in the community... She apparently had a pocket of air that kept her alive for several hours. He ran away, didn't call the police, and was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. He essentially murdered her.
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2018 9:37:26 GMT -5
Being drunk and having an accident is a crime. Courts all over the country consider an intoxicated individual responsible for any damage or injuries they cause. So why was Kennedy absolved? Because he was a Kennedy, in his backyard. Manslaughter, even 2nd degree murder convictions are achieved all the time in drunk driving accidents. A bit more complicated than that, Redleg... people are held accountable for being at fault in the accident... not necessarily drunk... drunk drivers are often cited for DUI or DWI... and being drunk has actually been used as a DEFENSE in such cases... saying they were not fully responsible for their actions... Look at rape convictions. It doesn't matter whether the offender is drunk or not. Same with DUI's, especially those that cause accidents. Being drunk is not a defense, because the offender knew better than to get behind the wheel after drinking.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 10, 2018 21:17:24 GMT -5
It don't take 10 hours to drown, Redleg... (10 hours wouldn't indicate "intent" any more than a few minutes would have)... and the man was drunk... nobody around close by to tell at the time... and no traffic... have you read either of the books I mentioned?... We have a local man here in my home town that has just been indicted on charges stemming from his girlfriend's death... (shot)... and he called his attorney first too... I'll let you know how it turns out... he wasn't even drunk or drinking... but his family is big $$$ people in the community... She apparently had a pocket of air that kept her alive for several hours. He ran away, didn't call the police, and was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. He essentially murdered her. Apparently, my ass... you don't have a lick of proof to back that absurd claim up...
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2018 21:49:39 GMT -5
She apparently had a pocket of air that kept her alive for several hours. He ran away, didn't call the police, and was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. He essentially murdered her. Apparently, my ass... you don't have a lick of proof to back that absurd claim up... ohn Farrar was the captain of the Edgartown Fire Rescue unit and diver who recovered Kopechne's body. He alleged that Kopechne died from suffocation rather than from drowning or from the impact of the overturned vehicle. This hypothesis was based upon the posture in which he found the body and the body's relative position to the area of an ultimate air pocket in the overturned vehicle.ohn Farrar was the captain of the Edgartown Fire Rescue unit and diver who recovered Kopechne's body. He alleged that Kopechne died from suffocation rather than from drowning or from the impact of the overturned vehicle. This hypothesis was based upon the posture in which he found the body and the body's relative position to the area of an ultimate air pocket in the overturned vehicle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 10, 2018 23:09:23 GMT -5
"His doctors had informed him that he had suffered cerebral concussion and shock, but he did not seek to use his medical condition to escape responsibility for his actions."
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Post by 3000fps on Jan 11, 2018 2:29:04 GMT -5
So, anybody that gets drunk, drives off a bridge, leaves someone in the car to drown, and waits 24 hours to call the police is not responsible for the death? He was driving. Whether she was drunk or not is irrelevant. She wasn't driving. He bailed out on someone in his car, that he drove into a canal, and let her die. Period. He should have been indicted and tried on manslaughter charges if nothing else. He wasn't because he was a Kennedy, and his family could get him out of nearly anything. And he had the LR media on his side. Word is, Redleg... that she was trapped in the car... and even after several attempts, he could not remove her from it... likely she drowned during that period of time... and she was in the car with him voluntarily... And are you sure it was 24 hours before he reported it to anyone?... ".....the story of what happened that night and why it took Kennedy some ten hours to report the accident to the local Edgartown police....."... Which is it? Does it matter? He was drunk and RAN like the coward he was. As I said, it's disgusting he's at Arlington among hero's. Was she drunk? Maybe, she could have been asleep or fighting his advances for all we know. Kennedy's have the rape gene much like Clinton. Shame garbage defends them.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 11, 2018 8:18:57 GMT -5
We, neither you nor I KNOW for an absolute fact that EITHER of them were actually drunk... Kennedy's doctor said he had a concussion... the only thing we can do is speculate about what we believe happened based on our own perceptions... you don't like the Kennedy's... nor the Clintons... I do... both have served our Country well...
I won't stoop to calling you childish names just because you don't like them... no wonder you like Trump...
I won't comment on Arlington other than to say that there are more than many there with questionable character... it's what it is...
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2018 10:15:11 GMT -5
We, neither you nor I KNOW for an absolute fact that EITHER of them were actually drunk... Kennedy's doctor said he had a concussion... the only thing we can do is speculate about what we believe happened based on our own perceptions... you don't like the Kennedy's... nor the Clintons... I do... both have served our Country well... I won't stoop to calling you childish names just because you don't like them... no wonder you like Trump... I won't comment on Arlington other than to say that there are more than many there with questionable character... it's what it is... Neither "served our country" nearly as much as they served themselves. Waco Billy Boy used his position to assault women, from Little Rock to DC, and Chappaquidick Teddy did the same thing. Both used their positions to accrue money and power, when that is forbidden by law, but no one would touch either because they had power.
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 11, 2018 10:46:47 GMT -5
"His doctors had informed him that he had suffered cerebral concussion and shock, but he did not seek to use his medical condition to escape responsibility for his actions." He'd didn't need to use his alleged medical condition to escape responsibility. He was in the elite class. They have special rules.
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 11, 2018 10:50:16 GMT -5
She apparently had a pocket of air that kept her alive for several hours. He ran away, didn't call the police, and was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. He essentially murdered her. Apparently, my ass... you don't have a lick of proof to back that absurd claim up... And, unfortunately, she was unavailable for comment.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 11, 2018 10:57:08 GMT -5
We, neither you nor I KNOW for an absolute fact that EITHER of them were actually drunk... Kennedy's doctor said he had a concussion... the only thing we can do is speculate about what we believe happened based on our own perceptions... you don't like the Kennedy's... nor the Clintons... I do... both have served our Country well... I won't stoop to calling you childish names just because you don't like them... no wonder you like Trump... I won't comment on Arlington other than to say that there are more than many there with questionable character... it's what it is... Neither "served our country" nearly as much as they served themselves. Waco Billy Boy used his position to assault women, from Little Rock to DC, and Chappaquidick Teddy did the same thing. Both used their positions to accrue money and power, when that is forbidden by law, but no one would touch either because they had power. Neither needed political office to get all the nookie they wanted, Redleg... both were getting more than the law allowed before they were ever in political office... you are delusional and don't like them... which is fine...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 11, 2018 11:00:39 GMT -5
"His doctors had informed him that he had suffered cerebral concussion and shock, but he did not seek to use his medical condition to escape responsibility for his actions." He'd didn't need to use his alleged medical condition to escape responsibility. He was in the elite class. They have special rules. No doubt there was some truth to that... the judge pointed out his impeccable record and character... (he was squeaky clean)... and after giving him the minimum sentence... promptly suspended it... he hasn't been in jail since... and now, never will be... You just didn't like him either... which is fine by me... I did...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 11, 2018 11:01:39 GMT -5
Apparently, my ass... you don't have a lick of proof to back that absurd claim up... And, unfortunately, she was unavailable for comment. Dead men/women don't talk... always keep that in mind... Some of those dead people are intentional... and then some are accidental... even negligent... we'll never know for sure... we can only either continue to hate... or put it behind us... I choose to put it behind me... and try to avoid such situations in the first place...
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2018 12:57:12 GMT -5
Neither "served our country" nearly as much as they served themselves. Waco Billy Boy used his position to assault women, from Little Rock to DC, and Chappaquidick Teddy did the same thing. Both used their positions to accrue money and power, when that is forbidden by law, but no one would touch either because they had power. Neither needed political office to get all the nookie they wanted, Redleg... both were getting more than the law allowed before they were ever in political office... you are delusional and don't like them... which is fine... Not true. Waco Billy Boy was accused of assault, even rape, by a host of women while he was in college. Whether true or not, who knows, since none were litigated for various reasons. However, even in Britain, he garnered assault accusations. It wasn't until he was in the Governor's Mansion that he could actually hide all his predelictions. Chappaquidick Teddy, on the other hand, was in a rich, politically powerful family. He used politics to increase his wealth and power, an avoid having to actually work for a living. He saw Kopechne as simply collateral damage, not really worth considering except as it had an effect on his political career.
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
He'd didn't need to use his alleged medical condition to escape responsibility. He was in the elite class. They have special rules. No doubt there was some truth to that... the judge pointed out his impeccable record and character... (he was squeaky clean)... and after giving him the minimum sentence... promptly suspended it... he hasn't been in jail since... and now, never will be... You just didn't like him either... which is fine by me... I did... That's because all the women he assaulted were either bought off or intimidated into silence.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 11, 2018 22:27:47 GMT -5
Thank you for your opinion, Redleg...
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 12, 2018 8:18:05 GMT -5
He'd didn't need to use his alleged medical condition to escape responsibility. He was in the elite class. They have special rules. No doubt there was some truth to that... the judge pointed out his impeccable record and character... (he was squeaky clean)... and after giving him the minimum sentence... promptly suspended it... he hasn't been in jail since... and now, never will be... You just didn't like him either... which is fine by me... I did... I didn't know the guy, so I neither like him or dislike him. Of course, I don't like his politics. But that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. I certainly detest his actions surrounding the death of Miss Kopechne.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 12, 2018 10:11:55 GMT -5
No doubt there was some truth to that... the judge pointed out his impeccable record and character... (he was squeaky clean)... and after giving him the minimum sentence... promptly suspended it... he hasn't been in jail since... and now, never will be... You just didn't like him either... which is fine by me... I did... I didn't know the guy, so I neither like him or dislike him. Of course, I don't like his politics. But that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. I certainly detest his actions surrounding the death of Miss Kopechne. Forgive me for saying this, but I have met face-to-face with the guy on a number of occasions... and he does seem to be a nice guy... and believe it or not, I don't like all his political views myself... (or anyone else)... but he did cooperate with officials throughout and even pleaded guilty to the charges... (he didn't "bring" the charges... or dictate this "sentence")...
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Post by redleg on Jan 12, 2018 12:53:47 GMT -5
I didn't know the guy, so I neither like him or dislike him. Of course, I don't like his politics. But that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. I certainly detest his actions surrounding the death of Miss Kopechne. Forgive me for saying this, but I have met face-to-face with the guy on a number of occasions... and he does seem to be a nice guy... and believe it or not, I don't like all his political views myself... (or anyone else)... but he did cooperate with officials throughout and even pleaded guilty to the charges... (he didn't "bring" the charges... or dictate this "sentence")... He essentially murdered a woman, and "plead guilty" to leaving the scene of an accident. The fix was in, regardless of who 'dictated his sentence'.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 12, 2018 14:16:39 GMT -5
Forgive me for saying this, but I have met face-to-face with the guy on a number of occasions... and he does seem to be a nice guy... and believe it or not, I don't like all his political views myself... (or anyone else)... but he did cooperate with officials throughout and even pleaded guilty to the charges... (he didn't "bring" the charges... or dictate this "sentence")... He essentially murdered a woman, and "plead guilty" to leaving the scene of an accident. The fix was in, regardless of who 'dictated his sentence'. Thank you so much for your opinion, Redleg...
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