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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 11:44:10 GMT -5
Total managerial incompetence. If you've known for over five years that the opposition will do anything to undermine your program, you do you best to give them no ammo. If you're competent. Or more to the point, if you know there's ZERO support for the law on the other side of the aisle; you either need to write it in such a way that it can be implemented without them, or that it gets their buy-in, or don't pass it in the first place. Taking advantage of a temporary majority the way the Democrats did REQUIRES the law to be workable, successful, and popular. The more it fails, the more it becomes a millstone around the Democrats' neck. It amuses the heck out of me whenever a 'Crat attempts to blame the GOP, Mitt Romney, or the Heritage Foundation. Those are the people who KNOW the thing is every bit the 'train wreck' Max Bauchus said it is - to the point where they're desperately trying to make someone else take the blame for it - but they're so ideological they can't accept that the GOP has NOTHING to do with it. Yep- ramming things down the throats of your opponents is never smart, esp when power shifts regularly, and is balanced via the system to have checks. If you do so-- against all wisdom- better get it right. When I took folks to court, I knew any typo, poorly worded sentence, any flaw would be used against me- esp if I had a tight factual case. So I fine-toothed it, made sure my stuff was together, even if it meant nasty amounts of unpaid overtime. That's not an ethic that Barry imposed- and it shows. Knowing the opposition to this, Barry should have hired expert IT folks, and had it up, running, and smooth as silk by the time it was ready for public. That's real leadership. |
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 10, 2013 11:56:22 GMT -5
Or more to the point, if you know there's ZERO support for the law on the other side of the aisle; you either need to write it in such a way that it can be implemented without them, or that it gets their buy-in, or don't pass it in the first place. Taking advantage of a temporary majority the way the Democrats did REQUIRES the law to be workable, successful, and popular. The more it fails, the more it becomes a millstone around the Democrats' neck. It amuses the heck out of me whenever a 'Crat attempts to blame the GOP, Mitt Romney, or the Heritage Foundation. Those are the people who KNOW the thing is every bit the 'train wreck' Max Bauchus said it is - to the point where they're desperately trying to make someone else take the blame for it - but they're so ideological they can't accept that the GOP has NOTHING to do with it. Yep- ramming things down the throats of your opponents is never smart, esp when power shifts regularly, and is balanced via the system to have checks. If you do so-- against all wisdom- better get it right. When I took folks to court, I knew any typo, poorly worded sentence, any flaw would be used against me- esp if I had a tight factual case. So I fine-toothed it, made sure my stuff was together, even if it meant nasty amounts of unpaid overtime. That's not an ethic that Barry imposed- and it shows. Knowing the opposition to this, Barry should have hired expert IT folks, and had it up, running, and smooth as silk by the time it was ready for public. That's real leadership. No-that's management 101 and the website issues were well known before the roll out....even some dems were using the phrase "train wreck". Apparently barry didn't care or things were going according to plan.....take your pick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:04:02 GMT -5
Yep- ramming things down the throats of your opponents is never smart, esp when power shifts regularly, and is balanced via the system to have checks. If you do so-- against all wisdom- better get it right. When I took folks to court, I knew any typo, poorly worded sentence, any flaw would be used against me- esp if I had a tight factual case. So I fine-toothed it, made sure my stuff was together, even if it meant nasty amounts of unpaid overtime. That's not an ethic that Barry imposed- and it shows. Knowing the opposition to this, Barry should have hired expert IT folks, and had it up, running, and smooth as silk by the time it was ready for public. That's real leadership. No-that's management 101 and the website issues were well known before the roll out....even some dems were using the phrase "train wreck". Apparently barry didn't care or things were going according to plan.....take your pick. I believe we are in agreement-- management 101 involves real leadership- it seems so simple, you're correct is 101 level-- but over and over I've seen many managers screw it up!! And sadly, our President is one of them. I think Barry is a mediocre hack, in way, way over his head, who'd rather be doing bong hits, drinking beer, and going on vacation with his family. And that's OK- aside from bong hits, I enjoy the same things myself-- but I'm not the President (Thank G-ds from all around, myself included!!). This whole bill is so overwrought and complex, I think Barry and friends lack the discipline and work ethic to tackle the flaws. Now- the coverage pieces I can understand being rigged to have folks want single-payer. But the start up website- why give Repubs such ammo?? Pure incompetence. Unintentional- our current President has failed management 101. Clinton did better- he was even more hated, almost got impeached--but he could work with folks. |
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2013 12:23:12 GMT -5
Have you tried calling 1-800-F1U-CKYO? I mean, just give it a chance, mom. LMAO You know, it's a shame the Democrats are so ideological and stupid they didn't take the GOP's plan to delay Obamacare for a year. I mean, the GOP was far too public-minded on that. They handed O a way to blame them for things not being up and running while giving him enough time to get it fixed, and cover up his failure. In all fairness, the GOP offer wasn't intended to help the Democrats with their Obamacare difficulties. Ironically, it may be the Democrats that will be forced to ask for a delay. No, it wasn't intended to help the Democrats - it was intended to help the average person. Who've now both lost their insurance, and aren't able to even sign up to get a new policy. If the GOP was in this to stick it to the Democrats, they would NEVER have offered to delay the individual mandate. |
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Post by douger on Nov 10, 2013 12:26:51 GMT -5
In all fairness, the GOP offer wasn't intended to help the Democrats with their Obamacare difficulties. Ironically, it may be the Democrats that will be forced to ask for a delay. No, it wasn't intended to help the Democrats - it was intended to help the average person. Who've now both lost their insurance, and aren't able to even sign up to get a new policy. If the GOP was in this to stick it to the Democrats, they would NEVER have offered to delay the individual mandate. I'm sorry, but I'm way too cynical to believe that one party or the other acts in the best interests of the American people without considering first how it improves their political position and destroys the opposition's. In other words, each political party's self interests - and those that support those parties - far outweigh any "benefit" to the citizens of this country. |
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2013 12:33:31 GMT -5
No, it wasn't intended to help the Democrats - it was intended to help the average person. Who've now both lost their insurance, and aren't able to even sign up to get a new policy. If the GOP was in this to stick it to the Democrats, they would NEVER have offered to delay the individual mandate. I'm sorry, but I'm way too cynical to believe that one party or the other acts in the best interests of the American people without considering first how it improves their political position and destroys the opposition's. In other words, each political party's self interests - and those that support those parties - far outweigh any "benefit" to the citizens of this country. Then you tell me: what was the political upside for the GOP in continuing the government shutdown hoping to get a 1 year delay in Obamacare? The shutdown was bad for the GOP, and a 1-year delay in the individual mandate would have given the Democrats a talking point and given them time to cover up the healtcare.gov failure. The upside for the American public for delaying Obamacare for a year is obvious. |
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Post by douger on Nov 10, 2013 17:01:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm way too cynical to believe that one party or the other acts in the best interests of the American people without considering first how it improves their political position and destroys the opposition's. In other words, each political party's self interests - and those that support those parties - far outweigh any "benefit" to the citizens of this country. The shutdown was bad for the GOP, and a 1-year delay in the individual mandate would have given the Democrats a talking point and given them time to cover up the healtcare.gov failure. The upside for the American public for delaying Obamacare for a year is obvious. At the time, absolutely nothing. There was no upside. I think they would have been doing Democrats a favor, and may yet have played into their hands. If the administration can't get their website functional by the end of the month, I think Dems will have to call for a time out, but they'll need GOP help to do so. Does the GOP now say "let it burn" knowing the pain that's out there now and coming down the road? If the GOP of the last ten years or so has done anything, they've taken negotiation from strength and turned it into capitulation like nobody's business. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 10, 2013 18:01:26 GMT -5
The modern GOP is its own worst enemy. It does not know what it wants to be, and it does not know what others want it to be, either. It allowed itself to be hijacked by religious extremists whose views aren't widely popular. And from some of the posts here, it does not realize this. Indeed, they remind me of the robot probe Nomad. Nomad was a very confused robot that became convinced its mission was to find perfect civilizations, and sterilize all imperfections it discovered. When it encountered Kirk, it thought he was its creator, a man named Roykirk:
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2013 22:28:05 GMT -5
Then you tell me: what was the political upside for the GOP in continuing the government shutdown hoping to get a 1 year delay in Obamacare? The shutdown was bad for the GOP, and a 1-year delay in the individual mandate would have given the Democrats a talking point and given them time to cover up the healtcare.gov failure. The upside for the American public for delaying Obamacare for a year is obvious. At the time, absolutely nothing. There was no upside. I think they would have been doing Democrats a favor, and may yet have played into their hands. If the administration can't get their website functional by the end of the month, I think Dems will have to call for a time out, but they'll need GOP help to do so. Does the GOP now say "let it burn" knowing the pain that's out there now and coming down the road? I can't answer that question. Forcing the American public to face what Obamacare is... rubbing the voters' collective nose in the crap sandwich probably isn't a winning strategy. I'm really not sure it matters though - the press will spin it for the Democrats no matter what they do. Frankly, I suspect the GOP will go along with the delay - it was their idea to begin with, it would be difficult to back away from it. The creepy thing though, is I have a hunch the Democrats won't call for that time out. They'll keep insisting everything is fine. Just as they have been. That was what the Tea Party was going to try to stop. |
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2013 23:37:59 GMT -5
Too bad for you guys! You lost! And you better hope obamacare doesn't become a success. Maybe you should hold the non stop critiques that aren't based in realities. But you repubs always overplay your hand. The reality is that Puppettax was passed on lies, bribery, and secrecy, not a single Democrat that voted for it had read it, and now that they know what's in it, they are running from it as fast as they can. 4 people in Delaware have signed up. 6 people in Alaska have signed up. 250,000 in CO have lost their insurance, and less than 100 have signed up for Puppettax. The alleged President and Congress have exempted themselves in spite of the law prohibiting exactly that. 80% of those that have managed to gt through the nightmare of the website signed up for Medicaid, not Puppettax. 90% of the jobs "created" since Puppettax was passed and metasticising started are part time. And you don't think it's a disaster? |
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2013 23:41:50 GMT -5
Have you tried calling 1-800-F1U-CKYO? I mean, just give it a chance, mom. LMAO You know, it's a shame the Democrats are so ideological and stupid they didn't take the GOP's plan to delay Obamacare for a year. I mean, the GOP was far too public-minded on that. They handed O a way to blame them for things not being up and running while giving him enough time to get it fixed, and cover up his failure. In all fairness, the GOP offer wasn't intended to help the Democrats with their Obamacare difficulties. Ironically, it may be the Democrats that will be forced to ask for a delay. Yup. The Repubs went at it exactly backwards. They should have demanded that Puppettax be implemented exactly as written, with no waivers, no delays, and no subsidies. And if the Dems want a delay, the Repubs should go on every show they can and say "no. They shut down the government to keep us from delaying Puppettax, and now they will implement it, as written, without the Congressional exemptions, without the delays, and without the waivers". |
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2013 23:45:27 GMT -5
Then you tell me: what was the political upside for the GOP in continuing the government shutdown hoping to get a 1 year delay in Obamacare? The shutdown was bad for the GOP, and a 1-year delay in the individual mandate would have given the Democrats a talking point and given them time to cover up the healtcare.gov failure. The upside for the American public for delaying Obamacare for a year is obvious. At the time, absolutely nothing. There was no upside. I think they would have been doing Democrats a favor, and may yet have played into their hands. If the administration can't get their website functional by the end of the month, I think Dems will have to call for a time out, but they'll need GOP help to do so. Does the GOP now say "let it burn" knowing the pain that's out there now and coming down the road? If the GOP of the last ten years or so has done anything, they've taken negotiation from strength and turned it into capitulation like nobody's business. No. As I've said several times, and even told multiple Congressmen, they need to go on every Sunday show, every news broadcast, every soapbox they can find, and tell the American people "the Dems shut down the government to prevent a delay in Puppettax, and now they want a delay? No. They will implement it exactly as written". |
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2013 23:47:47 GMT -5
The modern GOP is its own worst enemy. It does not know what it wants to be, and it does not know what others want it to be, either. It allowed itself to be hijacked by religious extremists whose views aren't widely popular. And from some of the posts here, it does not realize this. Indeed, they remind me of the robot probe Nomad. Nomad was a very confused robot that became convinced its mission was to find perfect civilizations, and sterilize all imperfections it discovered. When it encountered Kirk, it thought he was its creator, a man named Roykirk: Actually, it's been hijacked by RINO's, and Marxist wannabes. The Tea Party is the only hope the Repubs have, and the establishment is doing it's level best to maintain their perks, parties, and tax siphoning positions as long as they can by attacking those that actually are trying to do what they were elected to do. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 11, 2013 16:21:21 GMT -5
If the Tea Party was only about fiscal common sense and spending
it would be our only hope.
But its not, so there is no hope.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 11, 2013 16:31:05 GMT -5
If the Tea Party was only about fiscal common sense and spending it would be our only hope. But its not, so there is no hope. Like all other parties you have to see what the particular candidate is about, by and large I would say they are for smaller government, and fiscal restraint, but of course there is the odd ball among them like in all the other parties. |
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Post by breakingbad on Nov 12, 2013 5:42:54 GMT -5
Too bad for you guys! You lost! Yes, we certainly did. I'm sure by "you guys" you mean Americans, right? You do know, Alaska is part of America, don't you? |
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Post by darave on Nov 12, 2013 10:41:41 GMT -5
The president is out hob knobing on the golf course and doing 3 more fund raisers in florida. When will the fund raising end and he takes his job seriously. I heard on the radio that when they fix a flaw in the obama care software 3 more problems pop up.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 12, 2013 16:01:57 GMT -5
The president is out hob knobing on the golf course and doing 3 more fund raisers in florida. When will the fund raising end and he takes his job seriously. I heard on the radio that when they fix a flaw in the obama care software 3 more problems pop up. 2017 |
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