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Post by Moses on Nov 17, 2013 19:40:26 GMT -5
Did Obama consider who could afford his insurance? That's really just an uniformed and silly thing to ask. |
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Post by breakingbad on Nov 17, 2013 19:48:41 GMT -5
The health care jaw hasn't even had a chance to work or not work. My bet? Repubs overplay their hand . You better hope obamacare is a failure. Earth to kevin... |
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Post by Moses on Nov 17, 2013 19:51:39 GMT -5
The health care jaw hasn't even had a chance to work or not work. My bet? Repubs overplay their hand . You better hope obamacare is a failure. Earth to kevin... Mars to Barney. Your turn. |
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 17, 2013 20:22:47 GMT -5
Badda Bing.......
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Post by freddfish on Nov 18, 2013 11:22:29 GMT -5
Come on, we didn't know it was going to be this bad. Oh I donno... there's the website and then the rest of the law. Admittedly, it is hard to believe that they've so thoroughly bollixed something as mundane as a website quite this badly. But if you had been reading beyond the legacy media, there were rumblings that it was a mess 6 months ago. It is a little shocking that it still doesn't work. If they'd started from scratch on October 1, and had people who knew what they were doing (ie: google, amazon, etc.), it would have been functional by now (never mind having 3 years to get this done). What this proves is that the people they've hired are utterly incompetent, and the fact that they're still trying to make it work means the people who hired them are also utterly incompetent. I think anyone who's paid any attention at all knew that adding a huge pile of government bureaucracy on the health care system was going to be expensive, inefficient, and hurt a lot of people. Only idiots and liberals believed 'if you like your policy you can keep it' would be just that simple. It was never intended to be. In fact, that was the intent of this law.
The problem is the system the website front end is attempting to access. It has a plethora of differing concerns (security, HIPPA regs, differing databaswes of doctors and locations etc) all of which were supposed to be magically linked up and funtional without critical-path project management, beta-testing, or any of that lame geeky stuff.
This naive fool thought all he had to do was twist a few arms, bribe a few others, ramrod the law through by hook or crook......and then watch it all spring up like magic, like one of those pills you drop into water that unfolds into a paper sculpture. Obama (and the rest of his ilk) have never had to punch a clock, meet a payroll, manufacture anything, or take an idea and make it a reality that one can hold in their hand. This is rapidly and publically becoming apparent to even the most rabid partisans of our population.
In a way, we have to regard this as a good thing, long term. An entire generation of young Americans (who regularly use iPhones and the Internet as easily and naturally as we once used the now-archaic POTS telephone network) are all getting an up-close, personally impacting, and graphic example of what happens when you give power to people in the gov't who are functionally incompetent fools. This should serve to destroy an entire generations faith in an all-powerful all-caring Big Gov't nanny state solution. This is a GOOD THING, as there are very few sentiments more antithetical to our democracy, our nation, and it's founders views for us as "faith in the government" We need to regard the inevitable failure of this clown car stuffed with poltroons as a, what is the phrase again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 11:47:08 GMT -5
Yet the reactionary left is fond of saying that single payer is the solution. After the train wreck that is Obamatax, which they claim is only 5% of the market, only a fool would put them in charge of the other 95%.
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Post by redleg on Nov 18, 2013 12:37:26 GMT -5
The health care jaw hasn't even had a chance to work or not work. My bet? Repubs overplay their hand . You better hope obamacare is a failure. You are correct. The worst damage was "delayed" until after the elections, when The Puppet hopes the LR media can lie the Dems into keeping the Senate, at which time the real bomb will drop. All the employer insurance will suddenly become illegal, just like the individual policies are now, and, by some estimates, 125 million Americans will suddenly no longer have insurance. And they won't be able to get Puppettax, because the web site will still be "being fixed". |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 18, 2013 12:42:12 GMT -5
The health care jaw hasn't even had a chance to work or not work. My bet? Repubs overplay their hand . You better hope obamacare is a failure. You are correct. The worst damage was "delayed" until after the elections, when The Puppet hopes the LR media can lie the Dems into keeping the Senate, at which time the real bomb will drop. All the employer insurance will suddenly become illegal, just like the individual policies are now, and, by some estimates, 125 million Americans will suddenly no longer have insurance. And they won't be able to get Puppettax, because the web site will still be "being fixed". Don't forget that the actual tax won't be felt until 2015 anyway. |
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 18, 2013 17:52:15 GMT -5
Oh I donno... there's the website and then the rest of the law. Admittedly, it is hard to believe that they've so thoroughly bollixed something as mundane as a website quite this badly. But if you had been reading beyond the legacy media, there were rumblings that it was a mess 6 months ago. It is a little shocking that it still doesn't work. If they'd started from scratch on October 1, and had people who knew what they were doing (ie: google, amazon, etc.), it would have been functional by now (never mind having 3 years to get this done). What this proves is that the people they've hired are utterly incompetent, and the fact that they're still trying to make it work means the people who hired them are also utterly incompetent. I think anyone who's paid any attention at all knew that adding a huge pile of government bureaucracy on the health care system was going to be expensive, inefficient, and hurt a lot of people. Only idiots and liberals believed 'if you like your policy you can keep it' would be just that simple. It was never intended to be. In fact, that was the intent of this law.
The problem is the system the website front end is attempting to access. It has a plethora of differing concerns (security, HIPPA regs, differing databaswes of doctors and locations etc) all of which were supposed to be magically linked up and funtional without critical-path project management, beta-testing, or any of that lame geeky stuff.
This naive fool thought all he had to do was twist a few arms, bribe a few others, ramrod the law through by hook or crook......and then watch it all spring up like magic, like one of those pills you drop into water that unfolds into a paper sculpture. Obama (and the rest of his ilk) have never had to punch a clock, meet a payroll, manufacture anything, or take an idea and make it a reality that one can hold in their hand. This is rapidly and publically becoming apparent to even the most rabid partisans of our population.
In a way, we have to regard this as a good thing, long term. An entire generation of young Americans (who regularly use iPhones and the Internet as easily and naturally as we once used the now-archaic POTS telephone network) are all getting an up-close, personally impacting, and graphic example of what happens when you give power to people in the gov't who are functionally incompetent fools. This should serve to destroy an entire generations faith in an all-powerful all-caring Big Gov't nanny state solution. This is a GOOD THING, as there are very few sentiments more antithetical to our democracy, our nation, and it's founders views for us as "faith in the government" We need to regard the inevitable failure of this clown car stuffed with poltroons as a, what is the phrase again?
Ah yes..."a Teachable Moment"You are exactly right. We have a president who came into office promising to heal the Earth - and a lot of idiots bought that. It's strange to me that people here talk about how the religious right makes them uncomfortable. I'm not especially religious, but everything else being equal, I'd rather the President of the US worship what atheists derisively refer to as a fantasy. What we have now is someone who thinks he is a God. Nearly everything he believes is based in magical thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 17:55:52 GMT -5
“Here lies a fallen god, His fall was not a small one, We did but build his pedestal A narrow and a tall one”
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Post by freddfish on Nov 19, 2013 8:58:11 GMT -5
“Here lies a fallen god, His fall was not a small one, We did but build his pedestal A narrow and a tall one” I like that quote a lot. Lot of truth in a few simple lines..... |
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Post by freddfish on Nov 19, 2013 11:42:14 GMT -5
First...I think we need to back away from the meme that the "website" is the issue. That is a little like saying that a car with no engine won't travel because the steering wheel is defective. Any HTML programmer worth his salt can fix a balky web site interface, even one with as many things to point to as this one probably has.
The problem is the system the website front end is attempting to access. It has a plethora of differing concerns (security, HIPPA regs, differing databaswes of doctors and locations etc) all of which were supposed to be magically linked up and funtional without critical-path project management, beta-testing, or any of that lame geeky stuff.
This naive fool thought all he had to do was twist a few arms, bribe a few others, ramrod the law through by hook or crook......and then watch it all spring up like magic, like one of those pills you drop into water that unfolds into a paper sculpture. Obama (and the rest of his ilk) have never had to punch a clock, meet a payroll, manufacture anything, or take an idea and make it a reality that one can hold in their hand. This is rapidly and publically becoming apparent to even the most rabid partisans of our population.
In a way, we have to regard this as a good thing, long term. An entire generation of young Americans (who regularly use iPhones and the Internet as easily and naturally as we once used the now-archaic POTS telephone network) are all getting an up-close, personally impacting, and graphic example of what happens when you give power to people in the gov't who are functionally incompetent fools. This should serve to destroy an entire generations faith in an all-powerful all-caring Big Gov't nanny state solution. This is a GOOD THING, as there are very few sentiments more antithetical to our democracy, our nation, and it's founders views for us as "faith in the government" We need to regard the inevitable failure of this clown car stuffed with poltroons as a, what is the phrase again?
Ah yes..."a Teachable Moment" You are exactly right. We have a president who came into office promising to heal the Earth - and a lot of idiots bought that. It's strange to me that people here talk about how the religious right makes them uncomfortable. I'm not especially religious, but everything else being equal, I'd rather the President of the US worship what atheists derisively refer to as a fantasy. What we have now is someone who thinks he is a God. Nearly everything he believes is based in magical thought.
Furthermore, the notion that he is anything more than the latest (and least, IMHO...) of a long line of people we have sent to DC to run The Big Train Set is risible at best. He is not a god, nor does he speak on behalf of one...and from where I am sitting, evidence of this great intelligence he posesses seems pretty elusive.
It all points out the danger of "self-cocooning". He would be better served to surround himself with people who didn't particularly care for him, and that might provide him with the unvarnished truths he needs to hear, rather than fawning sycophants. A trap tyrants have been falling into since the dawn of time though, so I hold out little hope.
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