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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2013 12:07:17 GMT -5
Any way you want to crunch the numbers, Obamacare is nothing more than a cost sharing plan. If they ever try and do car insurance this way, a lot more of us will be walking or riding bikes. Yes there is a lot of uncertain unknowns how this will play out. I wish Obama had focused on other issues more. No, there aren't. There are a lot of uncertainties in how fast it will bankrupt the country, and how fast even the serfs will take up pitchforks, but it's failed miserably, and simply proves, once again, that Democrats should never, ever be allowed any positions of power.
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2013 12:10:30 GMT -5
There's nothing uncertain about it. Costs will go up because Obamacare does nothing to address that issue and it never intended to. Its goal is to charge roughly the same price to everyone despite the fact that everyone has different expected costs. That is known as cost sharing. After all, it isn't fair that sickly people have to pay more for insurance than healthy folks. But in order to correct this so-called injustice, younger, healthier people (who typically need less medical care) have to buy coverage or be subject to a penalty. What other service or product is sold this way? Think if utility companies suddenly decided that it wasn't fair to charge people more who blast the heat and air conditioning, leave lights on all over the house, and generally use energy like it's going out of style, than those who try and use it wisely? Costs would skyrocket since there would be no financial incentive to moderate usage. Fairness? There's really no such thing since in order to achieve it, certain people have to be treated unfairly. The people that support this tell me otherwise. They are just as passionant as you are and flood me with their facts. It will be interesting to see what happens. If so, then you talk almost exclusively to serfs, who were simply waiting for someone else to pay for their insurance before "buying" it. And they will still flood the ER's, because there are fewer and fewer doctors available, and even fewer that are willing to take Puppettax, since they won't get paid.
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Post by Moses on Nov 23, 2013 12:15:20 GMT -5
The people who support Obamacare speak from a perspective of people who regard healthcare as a "right" and do not consider increasing taxes to any extent necessary to provide it wrong. You can be really eloquent in defense of that if it's what you believe, but it doesn't make the position socially responsible or morally right... or economically sound. My problem with the whole shebang is our government is so big so full of red tape plus the big money influence distorting debates. Nothing works well even the military. Get big money out of politics maybe the debate would be be much clearer.
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2013 13:25:26 GMT -5
The people who support Obamacare speak from a perspective of people who regard healthcare as a "right" and do not consider increasing taxes to any extent necessary to provide it wrong. You can be really eloquent in defense of that if it's what you believe, but it doesn't make the position socially responsible or morally right... or economically sound. My problem with the whole shebang is our government is so big so full of red tape plus the big money influence distorting debates. Nothing works well even the military. Get big money out of politics maybe the debate would be be much clearer. The only way to do that is to force the Feds back to a legitimate government. That means that they have to obey the limits set out in the Constitution. And that won't happen as long as there are serfs believing that the Feds really do have the authority to confiscate their health care insurance, and run businesses just because the powers that be don't like the way they are being run now. Or because the owners of that business aren't 'contributing' enough to the "correct" party.
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