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Post by aboutwell on Aug 7, 2016 19:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 22:48:04 GMT -5
I'd put Favre in my top five all-time.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 10, 2016 6:24:57 GMT -5
Just curious, mdrunning... who are the other 4?... surely Manning?... Bradshaw?... Montana?... dare I say Brady?...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 22:11:52 GMT -5
Just curious, mdrunning... who are the other 4?... surely Manning?... Bradshaw?... Montana?... dare I say Brady?... Now that he's retired, Manning would have to be included. When he retires, Brady will likely replace someone on this list. My top 10 (even though you only asked for five):  1. Joe Montana 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Dan Marino 4. Brett Favre 5. Peyton Manning 6. John Elway 7. Otto Graham 8. Sammy Baugh 9. Steve Young 10. Bart Starr |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 12, 2016 16:24:33 GMT -5
Just curious, mdrunning... who are the other 4?... surely Manning?... Bradshaw?... Montana?... dare I say Brady?... Now that he's retired, Manning would have to be included. When he retires, Brady will likely replace someone on this list. My top 10 (even though you only asked for five): 1. Joe Montana 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Dan Marino 4. Brett Favre 5. Peyton Manning 6. John Elway 7. Otto Graham 8. Sammy Baugh 9. Steve Young 10. Bart Starr All good ones... but how far down would you put Bradshaw and Brady... also, even though he never played for a winning team, I liked Archie Manning... naturally, I would... and Kenny Stabler... Bob Griese... Namath... been a lot of good ones over the years... Favre is in some good company... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 23:39:20 GMT -5
Now that he's retired, Manning would have to be included. When he retires, Brady will likely replace someone on this list. My top 10 (even though you only asked for five): 1. Joe Montana 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Dan Marino 4. Brett Favre 5. Peyton Manning 6. John Elway 7. Otto Graham 8. Sammy Baugh 9. Steve Young 10. Bart Starr All good ones... but how far down would you put Bradshaw and Brady... also, even though he never played for a winning team, I liked Archie Manning... naturally, I would... and Kenny Stabler... Bob Griese... Namath... been a lot of good ones over the years... Favre is in some good company... As I said, I'm not going to rate Brady until he's retired. I do, however, think he's a top five quarterback by any standard in any era. I'd put Bradshaw somewhere down the in the next ten because you just can't ignore those four Super Bowl rings. His career passer rating, however, is just 70.9, far below the standard you think for great quarterbacks, and he had almost as many career interceptions (210) as touchdowns (212). For those reasons, I think he's sometimes simply looked at as a caretaker of those great Steeler teams because he had so much talent around him. But it's hard to compare today's efficiency metrics to other eras. It was a different game and not nearly as passer-friendly. Anyone who played against Bradshaw back then said he was one of the most feared passers in the game. And he certainly made the transition from the run-first NFL of the early 70s to the more pass-oriented game when the offensive rules were liberalized later in the decade. He was a winner and if you needed to win one game, you could certainly do a lot worse than Bradshaw. I've always liked the Snake and I thought his induction into the Hall was overdue. Namath to me is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in history. I know he had the knees of a 90-year-old by the time he was 25, but he basically made his career off of one game. Griese was a good QB, but I can't put him on any all-time lists. Those Miami teams were run-heavy and threw only when necessary. I was also a fan of Kenny Anderson when he was quarterbacking the Bengals back in the 70s and 80s. My next 10 would look something like this: 11. Fran Tarkenton 12. Sid Luckman 13. Roger Staubach 14. Terry Bradshaw 15. Jim Kelly 16. Dan Fouts 17. Warren Moon 18. Norm Van Brocklin 19. Troy Aikman 20. Kenny Stabler Again, it's just very difficult to compare the eras. |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 13, 2016 10:51:11 GMT -5
Still no mention of Archie?... although he played with a losing team his entire career, I'd like to have seen what he could have done with some other team and guys who were as good as I believe he was... he was as gutsy as Stabler...
Thinking back over all these guys you've mentioned brings back a lot of memories of the NFL... I was a big Miami fan back when Griese was playing... along with Kick, Czonka and Morris... I thought they had one of the best coaches ever too...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 13, 2016 16:41:43 GMT -5
The problem I have with Brady is that we know they cheat up there. We don't know to what extent his accomplishments are the result of underhanded practices versus his skills.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 13, 2016 19:59:57 GMT -5
The problem I have with Brady is that we know they cheat up there. We don't know to what extent his accomplishments are the result of underhanded practices versus his skills. He must be... a Democrat... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 23:12:46 GMT -5
The problem I have with Brady is that we know they cheat up there. We don't know to what extent his accomplishments are the result of underhanded practices versus his skills. Nonsense. Brady had nothing to do with Spygate and it's becoming increasingly apparent that Deflategate was a figment of Roger Goodell's imagination. Like it or not, Brady will be among the top QBs of all time when he retires and he'll be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 23:56:11 GMT -5
Still no mention of Archie?... although he played with a losing team his entire career, I'd like to have seen what he could have done with some other team and guys who were as good as I believe he was... he was as gutsy as Stabler... Thinking back over all these guys you've mentioned brings back a lot of memories of the NFL... I was a big Miami fan back when Griese was playing... along with Kick, Czonka and Morris... I thought they had one of the best coaches ever too... That's the thing about Archie Manning: it's all about what might have been had he not been condemned to play for so many godawful teams. But you're judged by two things: stats and championship rings, and unfortunately, Archie falls short on both counts. Another guy who falls into the what-might-have-been category is Bert Jones, one of my personal favorites on the 70s Colts. He was on his way to possibly becoming on the all-time greats until that shoulder injury in the 1978 preseason essentially wrecked his career. (It also didn't help that Bob Irsay was turning what had once been a model franchise into a pile of manure.) Bill Belichick, who started his coaching career here in Baltimore in 1975, called Jones the best pure passer he's ever seen. Few quarterbacks past or present could match the arm of the Ruston Rifle. If you want to go way back, the name Benny Friedman probably doesn't ring a bell except with the most hardcore football fans. He played in the 20s and 30s, which represented football's equivalent of the deadball era. In a time when the rules did not encourage passing and the ball resembled something like a misshapen balloon, Friedman helped bring professional football out of the Dark Ages. By the standards of his time, Friedman was a prolific passer. Although official stats weren't yet kept, he completed nearly 50 percent of his passes at a time when 35 was considered good. His 20 touchdown passes in 1929 is pedestrian by today's standards, but almost Herculean for that time. Back then, quarterbacks had to be at least five yards behind the line of scrimmage when throwing, an incomplete pass in the end zone was a touchback, a pass from a team's own end zone was a safety if it missed, and two consecutive incompletions in a series of downs resulted in a five-yard penalty. When viewed in that context, Friedman's 20 touchdowns were comparable to Babe Ruth's 60 homeruns. |
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 14, 2016 9:20:01 GMT -5
Good comments... you seem to know your football...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 14, 2016 9:35:15 GMT -5
Nonsense. Brady had nothing to do with Spygate and it's becoming increasingly apparent that Deflategate was a figment of Roger Goodell's imagination. Like it or not, Brady will be among the top QBs of all time when he retires and he'll be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. I believe the cockroach theory applies. |
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