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Post by redleg on Mar 28, 2018 8:28:05 GMT -5
This is your leader, PAM. A not very-well adjusted profanity spewing child who likes a good Hitler salute with a clenched fist. It's who they are, and have always been. They worship dictators. Notice the gang of criminals that was funding and organizing the "March for Life", and all those that didn't want their names known. That's why it was organized as a 501(c)4, so they could hide their donors.
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Post by palealeman on Mar 28, 2018 12:53:19 GMT -5
There you go again, RJ. More of your unthinking partisan bias.
I heard no profanity in any of the clips. A lot of vulgarity, but no profanity. And do you have a problem with vulgarity? If your name here makes any reference to the military, then you probably used vulgarity as your main language, or at the least were exposed to it all the time.
And not a Nazi salute. Clenched fist, same as happened at the 1968 Olympics and at many, many other venues since then. But hardly a Nazi salute. Again, your grasp of "facts" seems to be tenuous at best. Not again, instead as usual.
And he's not my leader, RJ. However, I do admire what he and the other kids from Parkland have done. They got all of this together in a little over a month.
Do you have a leader?
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 28, 2018 13:27:18 GMT -5
There you go again, RJ. More of your unthinking partisan bias. I heard no profanity in any of the clips. A lot of vulgarity, but no profanity. And do you have a problem with vulgarity? If your name here makes any reference to the military, then you probably used vulgarity as your main language, or at the least were exposed to it all the time. And not a Nazi salute. Clenched fist, same as happened at the 1968 Olympics and at many, many other venues since then. But hardly a Nazi salute. Again, your grasp of "facts" seems to be tenuous at best. Not again, instead as usual. And he's not my leader, RJ. However, I do admire what he and the other kids from Parkland have done. They got all of this together in a little over a month. Of course you didn't hear it. It was all bleeped out. But hey, tell yourself whatever you need to. I'm not really a follower.
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Post by palealeman on Mar 29, 2018 8:37:46 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I was making a distinction between profanity and vulgarity. I figured I was talking over your head, and you proved me correct.
Profanity usually involves invoking a deity. Vulgarity is just crass, gutter language, but, as you have shown, often gets confused with profanity. However, I've never expected you to be able to make or understand subtle distinctions.
And of course you're a follower. You follow the conservative agenda and the NRA agenda and regularly regurgitate their talking points.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 9:34:06 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I was making a distinction between profanity and vulgarity. I figured I was talking over your head, and you proved me correct. Profanity usually involves invoking a deity. Vulgarity is just crass, gutter language, but, as you have shown, often gets confused with profanity. However, I've never expected you to be able to make or understand subtle distinctions. 1) the commonly accepted definition of profanity includes vulgarity: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanitywww.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profaneIf you're going to act like a pretentious vocabulary cop, at least know what the hell you're talking about when you do. It is beyond absurd that you can't even get that right. 2) even if we accept your incorrectly narrow definition, there is no way to know whether Hogg used the phrase "God-damn" in this video because it would have been bleeped out. Based on context, G-D would have made sense in more than one of the clips. I do when they're correct. In the gun violence debate, it's hard to do otherwise because the other side regularly reveals it knows next to nothing about guns or the nature and causes of most of the nation's gun violence. This is why we keep hearing about banning "assault weapons" (which is a term without any clear or reasonable definition) when the FBI statistics don't even differentiate semi-automatic rifle crime from other long guns because it is so rare. You're trying to cure cancer by banning x-ray machines.
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 9:39:20 GMT -5
There you go again, RJ. More of your unthinking partisan bias. I heard no profanity in any of the clips. A lot of vulgarity, but no profanity. And do you have a problem with vulgarity? If your name here makes any reference to the military, then you probably used vulgarity as your main language, or at the least were exposed to it all the time. And not a Nazi salute. Clenched fist, same as happened at the 1968 Olympics and at many, many other venues since then. But hardly a Nazi salute. Again, your grasp of "facts" seems to be tenuous at best. Not again, instead as usual. And he's not my leader, RJ. However, I do admire what he and the other kids from Parkland have done. They got all of this together in a little over a month. Do you have a leader? No, they didn't. It was organized by a group of Communist agents, and actual NAZIs like Soros. The useful idiots had little or nothing to do with it, they were just stage props for the Communist agenda. It was funded by the normal Communist organizations and the drooling morons from Hollywood. And yes, it was a modified NAZI salute, which is apropos given that Soros, an actual NAZI, was funding it.
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 9:42:34 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I was making a distinction between profanity and vulgarity. I figured I was talking over your head, and you proved me correct. Profanity usually involves invoking a deity. Vulgarity is just crass, gutter language, but, as you have shown, often gets confused with profanity. However, I've never expected you to be able to make or understand subtle distinctions. And of course you're a follower. You follow the conservative agenda and the NRA agenda and regularly regurgitate their talking points. No, it's cursing. And given that Hogg doesn't seem to be able to construct a sentence without it, it would seem that his "education" is severely lacking. That, and the fact that he has no valid arguments to make on the ownership of firearms, since he doesn't seem to understand the most basic civil and Constitutional rights as enumerated. He's a stage puppet, being used by anti Americans in the Party of the KKK and all their associated groups to mouth what they can't and be listened to. They scream "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" to shut up any and all disagreement with their agenda. And, of course, all opposing viewpoints are forbidden, deleted or ignored by your LR media.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 9:45:05 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I was making a distinction between profanity and vulgarity. I figured I was talking over your head, and you proved me correct. Profanity usually involves invoking a deity. Vulgarity is just crass, gutter language, but, as you have shown, often gets confused with profanity. However, I've never expected you to be able to make or understand subtle distinctions. And of course you're a follower. You follow the conservative agenda and the NRA agenda and regularly regurgitate their talking points. No, it's cursing. And given that Hogg doesn't seem to be able to construct a sentence without it, it would seem that his "education" is severely lacking. That, and the fact that he has no valid arguments to make on the ownership of firearms, since he doesn't seem to understand the most basic civil and Constitutional rights as enumerated. He's a stage puppet, being used by anti Americans in the Party of the KKK and all their associated groups to mouth what they can't and be listened to. They scream "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" to shut up any and all disagreement with their agenda. And, of course, all opposing viewpoints are forbidden, deleted or ignored by your LR media. Funny that... saying "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" never causes them to think "he's just a kid, we probably ought to stop following him." But then not looking childish (or indeed growing up) has never been a goal of the left.
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 10:36:06 GMT -5
No, it's cursing. And given that Hogg doesn't seem to be able to construct a sentence without it, it would seem that his "education" is severely lacking. That, and the fact that he has no valid arguments to make on the ownership of firearms, since he doesn't seem to understand the most basic civil and Constitutional rights as enumerated. He's a stage puppet, being used by anti Americans in the Party of the KKK and all their associated groups to mouth what they can't and be listened to. They scream "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" to shut up any and all disagreement with their agenda. And, of course, all opposing viewpoints are forbidden, deleted or ignored by your LR media. Funny that... saying "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" never causes them to think "he's just a kid, we probably ought to stop following him." But then not looking childish (or indeed growing up) has never been a goal of the left. He's nothing but a useful idiot. The only reason they are using him is to play on emotions, then they will throw him out with yesterday's trash. Same with Gonzales, who is becoming problematic for them because her rhetoric is full on Communism. Especially when she wears a Cuban flag on her sleeve.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 10:37:58 GMT -5
Funny that... saying "he's just a kid, stop attacking him" never causes them to think "he's just a kid, we probably ought to stop following him." But then not looking childish (or indeed growing up) has never been a goal of the left. He's nothing but a useful idiot. The only reason they are using him is to play on emotions, then they will throw him out with yesterday's trash. Same with Gonzales, who is becoming problematic for them because her rhetoric is full on Communism. Especially when she wears a Cuban flag on her sleeve. That and she has publicly admitted to bullying Cruz. Oops.
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Post by palealeman on Mar 29, 2018 11:20:32 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, if I was too philosopical for you. I'm guessing you never studied philosophy closely and don't understand those finer distinctions.
And you jump to the conclusion that, in the gun discussion, you're on the correct side . . . even though the ONLY action you're willing to take it to strengthen the national registry and nothing else. The fact that you are so rigid and will not even consider other options shows just how coopted you are and how much you should not be in this discussion at all. You're content to do nothing and let gun violence go unchecked and increase.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 11:37:29 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, if I was too philosopical for you. I'm guessing you never studied philosophy closely and don't understand those finer distinctions. I studied philosophy... And a bit of Latin, too. That's how I know the word profane comes from the Latin "profanus," which translates to 'outside the temple.' Profanity is about the secular, the common, and the vulgar as opposed to denigrating the holy. The correct term for what you're talking about - denigrating the holy - is "blasphmey" not "profanity," which has a much wider meaning. But again, you'd know this if you studied. If you're going to be a pretentious prig about these things, it is desperately important that you know WTF you're talking about lest you beclown yourself. Again, I'm on the side that knows WTF it is talking about, and on the side of a human right (self defense). You're on the side of ignorance and tyrrany. If you think that's "correct"/ morally right you can have it. The Nazis knew they were "correct" too.
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 12:00:53 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, if I was too philosopical for you. I'm guessing you never studied philosophy closely and don't understand those finer distinctions. And you jump to the conclusion that, in the gun discussion, you're on the correct side . . . even though the ONLY action you're willing to take it to strengthen the national registry and nothing else. The fact that you are so rigid and will not even consider other options shows just how coopted you are and how much you should not be in this discussion at all. You're content to do nothing and let gun violence go unchecked and increase. He has discussed options, you simply refuse to accept any options that don't include firearms confiscation and the disarmament of all American citizens. IOW, you want the Federal government to have all the firepower, so when your commissars take power, they won't have any real opposition, because they will have all the firearms. My solution is to arm everyone. Do away with the background check unless you apply it to every enumerated right. Voting, association, speech, all should require background checks before exercising, and anyone that associates with Leftist prohibited from engaging in any of them.
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Post by palealeman on Mar 29, 2018 12:10:49 GMT -5
Glad you studied a little Latin. I did too -- 4 years in high school, a college minor in Classical Languages (also had 4 years of Greek). And a major in Philosophy, though I'm guessing you only took a required course or two.
And again, you claim to be on the "right" side. Without proof. I understand that there's a fundamental right involved. But it's not an absolute right. There are limits on most rights, as there are limits on the 2A. I've never seriously proposed abolishing the 2A, and I don't think such a movement would ever fly. But there are limits, and I think some of those limits need to be increased. Universal background checks, background checks before any and all sales, perhaps -- perhaps -- registration of all guns, stricter licensing requirements.
Will these solve all the problems with gun violence in our culture? Maybe, maybe not -- probably not all the problems. But it's a place to start, a place that 70% of Americans support (stricter gun controls, perhaps not these specific controls), and it's an idea that's going to spread. Only real problem is that it took a bunch of kids dying, and now a bunch of kids organizing, before people would seriously consider some of these ideas. Sorry you continue to be on the wrong side of the issue. You call Democrats deluded. At least we listen and come up with ideas to try to move the country forward. You and your buddies on the right want to maintain the status quo or take us backward. That's not going to happen. May take a while, but most of your positions will be obsolete in a few years.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 12:32:15 GMT -5
Glad you studied a little Latin. I did too -- 4 years in high school, a college minor in Classical Languages (also had 4 years of Greek). And a major in Philosophy, though I'm guessing you only took a required course or two. There's just no way I can believe that given the ridiculous statements you've been making about the word "profanity" all morning. All you needed to get that right was a dictionary, and you failed miserably with a college minor in the subject. Either you're lying about your education, or you were horribly failed by your school. You would have been better off at Trump University. No. I claim to be on the side that knows what it's talking about. Again, you would know this had you read what I've written rather than just ignoring it in favor of your mindless "NRA talking points" narrative. This is why I'm proposing ideas that can be implemented without implicating the Bill of Rights and have a reasonable chance of making a difference. People who have convinced themselves that they are morally right/superior tend to use that as a justification for totalitarianism. Universal background checks and registration are not practical. Private gun sales will continue without the government being involved. There is already a thriving black market in spite of all of the laws against it. All private seller background checks would do is expand it. And create situations where a spouse inherits a weapon and becomes a criminal at the same time. In order to enforce gun registration, you'd have to go door to door and check everyone. And still there would be plenty of guns out there the government doesn't know exist. It amazes me that the same allegedly intelligent people who state categorically that it is an imposibility to find and deport 12 million illegal immigrants think it is reasonable to track down 300 million guns. Never mind that gun registrations tend to show up in newspapers. I don't have a problem talking about the larger culture, but going after video games and gangsta rap also implicates the Bill of Rights. Then again, I know it's really hard for people like you to admit Hollywood and gang culture should be part of the discussion.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 13:05:48 GMT -5
As for the rallies, we're learning some intersting things: www.nationalreview.com/news/only-12-percent-of-first-time-protesters-at-march-for-our-lives-were-there-for-gun-control/The 850,000 attendance figure is wildly overstated. Experts put it at closer to 203,000. Surveys by the University of Maryland show the average age was 49, and only about 10% we're under 18. There go those dreams of outliving the NRA. Only 12% of protesters were there in support of gun control, and apparently quite a few we're just there for the free Ariana Grande concert. [The National Review article is based on (and linked to) a Washington Post essay by Dana R. Fisher a sociology professor at UMD. I have elected to link to the NRO article because the WaPo article is behind a paywall.]
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Post by palealeman on Mar 29, 2018 13:25:50 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, it's true -- 6.5 years of Latin, 4 years of Greek, lots of philosophy and theology -- subjects that taught me to think critically. Maybe you need some more philosophy. The difference is that I studied Classical languages, not medieval languages. If you check, you'll see that profane came into the English language in the Medieval period from the Medieval Latin word. But I wouldn't expect someone who took some Medieval Latin in high school to understand those nuances.
I must admit that I like one line you wrote: "People who have convinced themselves that they are morally right/superior tend to use that as a justification for totalitarianism." While I know you didn't realize it, you're talking about President Trump and his continued agenda to undermine the press and make America a totalitarian state.
I don't think I've proposed anything that would infringe on the Bill of Rights. And we shouldn't reject alternatives just because they're not easy to implement. But I guess some people just would rather take the easy way out.
Not sure about your points about the rally. I don't trust the National Review -- too conservative for most people. However, I'm not sure that the size of the DC rally makes that much difference, especially with about 800 rallies around the world. And the "experts" that you say put the number of attendees lower all belong to one company.
It's interesting that the average age, as determined by one researcher (and, so far, only one researcher) is about 49. Since research and polling says that about 70% of the country favors increased gun control, having a large number of older people gives a little more credibility to the march and its goals.
Again, you're in the minority on this one. There will be broader gun control regulations in the next few years.
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 13:33:57 GMT -5
Glad you studied a little Latin. I did too -- 4 years in high school, a college minor in Classical Languages (also had 4 years of Greek). And a major in Philosophy, though I'm guessing you only took a required course or two. And again, you claim to be on the "right" side. Without proof. I understand that there's a fundamental right involved. But it's not an absolute right. There are limits on most rights, as there are limits on the 2A. I've never seriously proposed abolishing the 2A, and I don't think such a movement would ever fly. But there are limits, and I think some of those limits need to be increased. Universal background checks, background checks before any and all sales, perhaps -- perhaps -- registration of all guns, stricter licensing requirements. Will these solve all the problems with gun violence in our culture? Maybe, maybe not -- probably not all the problems. But it's a place to start, a place that 70% of Americans support (stricter gun controls, perhaps not these specific controls), and it's an idea that's going to spread. Only real problem is that it took a bunch of kids dying, and now a bunch of kids organizing, before people would seriously consider some of these ideas. Sorry you continue to be on the wrong side of the issue. You call Democrats deluded. At least we listen and come up with ideas to try to move the country forward. You and your buddies on the right want to maintain the status quo or take us backward. That's not going to happen. May take a while, but most of your positions will be obsolete in a few years. It's a place to start the feudilization of American citizens. How many other rights require government permission to exercise? How many require a background check? Not to mention that criminals won't bother with the law anyway, that's why they are criminals. I notice that not a single one of your "solutions" include holding government workers, who are tasked with enforcing the current laws, accountable. How about charging them with being accessory to murder when this happens? Notice that nearly every, single mass shooter in the last 10 years or so was "on the radar" of law enforcement? Yet, not a one of them was stopped from buying a firearm. Who, in the government, was held responsible?
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Post by redleg on Mar 29, 2018 13:36:21 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, it's true -- 6.5 years of Latin, 4 years of Greek, lots of philosophy and theology -- subjects that taught me to think critically. Maybe you need some more philosophy. The difference is that I studied Classical languages, not medieval languages. If you check, you'll see that profane came into the English language in the Medieval period from the Medieval Latin word. But I wouldn't expect someone who took some Medieval Latin in high school to understand those nuances. I must admit that I like one line you wrote: "People who have convinced themselves that they are morally right/superior tend to use that as a justification for totalitarianism." While I know you didn't realize it, you're talking about President Trump and his continued agenda to undermine the press and make America a totalitarian state. I don't think I've proposed anything that would infringe on the Bill of Rights. And we shouldn't reject alternatives just because they're not easy to implement. But I guess some people just would rather take the easy way out. Not sure about your points about the rally. I don't trust the National Review -- too conservative for most people. However, I'm not sure that the size of the DC rally makes that much difference, especially with about 800 rallies around the world. And the "experts" that you say put the number of attendees lower all belong to one company. It's interesting that the average age, as determined by one researcher (and, so far, only one researcher) is about 49. Since research and polling says that about 70% of the country favors increased gun control, having a large number of older people gives a little more credibility to the march and its goals. Again, you're in the minority on this one. There will be broader gun control regulations in the next few years. What "research"? What "polling"? And you don't think a firearms ban would conflict with the 2A? Really? And you claim to be able to think?
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, it's true -- 6.5 years of Latin, 4 years of Greek, lots of philosophy and theology -- subjects that taught me to think critically. Maybe you need some more philosophy. The difference is that I studied Classical languages, not medieval languages. If you check, you'll see that profane came into the English language in the Medieval period from the Medieval Latin word. But I wouldn't expect someone who took some Medieval Latin in high school to understand those nuances. Wow. No. Profanus is classical Latin (see above wikipedia link). Blasphemy is medieval Latin (and other places). See: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlasphemyBut I know you're not done embarrassing yourself and your alma mater yet, are you? Nope. It more accurately reflects his critics. Like David Hogg in that video. You believe what you want to believe. It wouldn't surprise me to see more gun control, however if it comes from the left, it will punish only the innocent and have no impact on gun violence just like the assault weapons ban from the 1990s.
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Post by palealeman on Mar 29, 2018 17:11:59 GMT -5
You really should learn to read, RJ, especially when you link to it. Profanus developed the meaning you want to give it by about 1450 CE (per your link). The classical Latin meaning referred to the divine, not the common talk of the vulgar citizens. Of course, I realize that most of this is over your head.
Your last sentence is a lot of bull. With some exceptions, the right isn't interested in any sort of gun control (the NRA won't allow it). I do note that Florida just passed some gun control legislation, and Vermont (republican governor and legislature) is working on gun control efforts. New Jersey is also considering some legislation that was previously vetoed by Christie.
But unless the left leads in this issue, you conservatives will say it's too hard to implement, we're content with the gun violence in the country, and there's nothing that we can do.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 17:43:56 GMT -5
You really should learn to read, RJ, especially when you link to it. Profanus developed the meaning you want to give it by about 1450 CE (per your link). The classical Latin meaning referred to the divine, not the common talk of the vulgar citizens. Of course, I realize that most of this is over your head. Profanus, translated from Classical Latin means outside or before (pro) the temple or sanctuary (fanus). Look, I realize you never studied Latin. You couldn’t have. “Pro” is a first-year High School Latin term that anyone who has ever heard common Latin terms like pro forma, or pro bono will instantly recognize. Fanus, meaning temple or sanctuary, didn’t become part of my Latin vocabulary until college, but nevertheless, it is a Classical Latin term. Obviously “outside the temple” is a reference to the secular/vulgar/common world. Either way, all you actually had to do was look at the link I posted to the dictionary to know that the definition of profanity includes vulgar language. The exclusive term for language that degrades the holy is blasphemy. But you wouldn’t even do that. It is SHOCKING the lengths you will go to in order to remain ignorant. This is also nonsense. The NRA supports background checks for sales by FFL holders, as well as tightening the back end of the reporting systems. But the biggest failure at Stoneman Douglass was law enforcement. In a jurisdiction run by responsible people, Cruz would have had to purchase his weapons on the black market if he weren’t in jail. I want to stop gun violence in this country, but I’m white. If I point out most of the country’s gun violence takes place between minority gang members who obtain their weapons illegally, either through the black market or the use of straw-purchasers, I’d be shouted down as racist. Banning semi-automatic rifles will not impact gun violence in the US. First, because very little gun violence is done with long guns of any kind. You are literally more likely to be beaten to death by someone’s bare hands than shot to death by a long gun. Even if you could magically remove every semi-automatic rifle from this plane of existence, the impact on crime would be negligible. This was one of the lessons even marginally intelligent people learned when we tried to do this in the 90s. Smart people already knew this, and there was much “I told you soing” from them after the fact. Second, because it is impossible to remove semi-automatic rifles from this country, they will remain available. Either through the black market, or by stealing from legal owners, which a gun registration will encourage by creating a set of government records that can be FOIAd by criminals (or just helpfully published by local anti-gun journalists) to find out which houses have these guns. Effective registration is impossible. There are far too many completely undocumented guns in circulation, and one would have to be stupid to voluntarily provide registration information over to the government. This is a waste of time and resources that could be put towards much more effective measures.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 29, 2018 18:06:19 GMT -5
PAM, please look at this table from the FBI: ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xlsIt details murder victims in the US by weapon. It differentiates between handguns, rifles and shot guns. Handguns take about 6,000 lives a year. Rifles, which would include regular hunting rifles as well as their semi-automatic cousins averaged around 300 a year. There are too few of these for the FBI to bother distinguishing between an AR-15 and a bolt action hunting rifle. And both of those numbers are declining. Rifles and shotguns give similar stats, but even there, shotguns are slightly more popular homicide weapons than rifles. Five times as many are killed by knives than all rifle types. Twice as many are killed by blunt objects than rifles. Three times as many are killed by hands, feet and fists than by rifles. This is why you can’t be and generally aren’t taken seriously by people who understand gun crime when you try to ban “assault weapons” which is a nonsense term to begin with.
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2018 13:28:44 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, it's true -- 6.5 years of Latin, 4 years of Greek, lots of philosophy and theology -- subjects that taught me to think critically. Maybe you need some more philosophy. The difference is that I studied Classical languages, not medieval languages. If you check, you'll see that profane came into the English language in the Medieval period from the Medieval Latin word. But I wouldn't expect someone who took some Medieval Latin in high school to understand those nuances. Really? It wasn't Trump that imposed Puppettax on us, then lied continually to tell us it was really just raining. It wasn't Trump that left 4 Americans to die in Benghazi, then not only he lied, but sent all his little sycophants out to lie for him, for weeks. It wasn't Trump that declared half of America "deplorables" because they weren't going to simply hand over their liberties to a traitor, a liar, and a felon. It wasn't Trump that formed an agency to "change the minds of Americans about guns and religion", then sold firearms, illegally, to Mexican drug cartels, then lied to the parents of a BP agent killed with one of those firearms. Who also stonewalled Congress when they tried to investigate the crimes. Those are all from The Puppet's regime. That's because you have no idea what the Bill of Rights says. Maybe instead of wasting so much time studying dead languages, you should have studied English. Then you might understand what "shall not be infringed" means. Or maybe you should read Merrill, from, I think it was 1937, where the SCOTUS declared that ONLY firearms commonly used by the military were covered under the 2A. Whatever rallies happened "around the world" are irrelevant, especially since nearly all the other countries are historically serfs. It's almost built in to their DNA to bow to whomever has power in their countries, and except for England, who has surrendered the right, none of the other countries' populations were ever 'allowed' personal arms. Again, what "research"? What "polling"? The same "research" and "polling" that said The Felon was going to win in a landslide? How about the same "polling" that showed the American public was enamored of Puppettax? You are being indoctrinated, again, by the Left and it's lies. Again, you're in the minority on this one. There will be broader gun control regulations in the next few years.
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2018 13:36:57 GMT -5
You really should learn to read, RJ, especially when you link to it. Profanus developed the meaning you want to give it by about 1450 CE (per your link). The classical Latin meaning referred to the divine, not the common talk of the vulgar citizens. Of course, I realize that most of this is over your head. Your last sentence is a lot of bull. With some exceptions, the right isn't interested in any sort of gun control (the NRA won't allow it). I do note that Florida just passed some gun control legislation, and Vermont (republican governor and legislature) is working on gun control efforts. New Jersey is also considering some legislation that was previously vetoed by Christie. But unless the left leads in this issue, you conservatives will say it's too hard to implement, we're content with the gun violence in the country, and there's nothing that we can do. "Gun control" is using both hands and a good sight picture. What you and your masters demand is people control. You want us as serfs, just like Europe, because they are easy to control. Your problem is that we are not conditioned by centuries of royal "devine right of kings" to bow to whatever degenerate happens to be in a particular seat. The reason that "gun" control doesn't, and won't work is because we still have far too many cities, even states, controlled by Communists, who couldn't care less how many plebes are killed, and in fact want them killed, because it scares the rest into surrendering their rights to government in exchange for the illusion of safety. Government can't, and won't, protect you or your family, unless you are a massive donor, or a beetle on top of the dung heap. The useful idiot Hogg is protesting to put his, and his friends and family's lives in the hands of the very people that set up the school shooting that he's screaming about. The Democrat Party. They controlled the FBI, they control the BSO, they control the school system. They all knew Cruz was dangerous, so they let him alone to shoot up the school so they could get useful idiots like you and Hogg and Gonzales out there to scream for "gun" control. Who in the system has been punished for ignoring Cruz? Who has been shown to be the ones that ignored their own protocols? And 4 deputies stood outside the school while Cruz was shooting inside. They waited until he had done the maximum damage, so the Party of the KKK would have an issue to run on.
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