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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 6:05:39 GMT -5
Thank God we had Reagan who was the greatest Leader in our modern lifetime, he set Russia straight and kept the peace for a long time.Nope, sorry... Gorbachev takes more credit for that, dude.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 3, 2014 7:40:22 GMT -5
No Ronnies US strength takes all the credit along with Gorby accepting it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 8:05:09 GMT -5
No Ronnies US strength takes all the credit along with Gorby accepting it Dude, your historical viewpoint is looking through rose tinted 'Hollywood' glasses. Both Reagan and Thatcher tried to take the credit the fall of the USSR, the truth is that they ran out of excuses, answers and options. Gorbachev will be remembered for the wall coming down, not Reagan or Thatcher. THE fall of the Berlin Wall was not big news in Russia. Neither was it a surprise. It was a logical consequence of the process that began in Moscow in 1985 when Mikhail Gorbachev came to power.By 1989 his perestroika, or reconstruction and opening, was in full swing. Andrei Sakharov, Russia's most famous dissident and nuclear scientist, returned from his forced exile in Gorky and was elected to the first Soviet parliament. Banned films and books flooded the intellectual space. The physical space also opened up, as Russians started to travel to the West.Reagan's famous "Tear down this wall!" in 1987 statement was too late, Gorbachev had started the process of "Perestroika" (restructuring) and "glasnost" (openness) 2 years earlier. Reagan and Thatcher were just trying to ride the winds of change already in process.
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 8:43:52 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly...
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Post by redleg on Mar 3, 2014 9:08:47 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly... Really? So, Reagan's rebuilding of the economy after the disaster of Carter, his rebuilding of the military after the disaster of Carter, and his restoring of our national pride after Carter damaged it was "stupid"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 9:13:18 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly... One of the posters here calls Obama a puppet, in reality Reagan was far more a puppet. Yes, he was a very good speaker and could deliver his lines perfectly, I just loved that "My fellow Americans" schtick, he certainly could fool a lot of the people a lot of the time... still does on the evidence of this thread.
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Post by redleg on Mar 3, 2014 9:19:21 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly... One of the posters here calls Obama a puppet, in reality Reagan was far more a puppet. Yes, he was a very good speaker and could deliver his lines perfectly, I just loved that "My fellow Americans" schtick, he certainly could fool a lot of the people a lot of the time... still does on the evidence of this thread. Hmmm, let's accept your premise. Reagan rebuilt our economy and military after Carter nearly destroyed both. Reagan worked with Congress and got much of what he wanted done through, first, a Democrat Congress, then a divided Congress. The Puppet won't even talk to Pubs, and is using Executive Orders to circumvent the Constitution. He's nearly destroyed the economy, and has set the destruction of the health care system in motion. So, who is really "The Puppet"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 9:26:31 GMT -5
One of the posters here calls Obama a puppet, in reality Reagan was far more a puppet. Yes, he was a very good speaker and could deliver his lines perfectly, I just loved that "My fellow Americans" schtick, he certainly could fool a lot of the people a lot of the time... still does on the evidence of this thread. Hmmm, let's accept your premise. Reagan rebuilt our economy and military after Carter nearly destroyed both. Reagan worked with Congress and got much of what he wanted done through, first, a Democrat Congress, then a divided Congress. The Puppet won't even talk to Pubs, and is using Executive Orders to circumvent the Constitution. He's nearly destroyed the economy, and has set the destruction of the health care system in motion. So, who is really "The Puppet"?Reagan was, hell for much of his second term he wasn't even on the same planet as the rest of us, his brain had gone AWOL.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 3, 2014 10:01:56 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly... Reagan was the best leader for this nation since JFK and still beats anyone after him.
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 10:18:58 GMT -5
REDLEG SAID: "Really? So, Reagan's rebuilding of the economy after the disaster of Carter, his rebuilding of the military after the disaster of Carter, and his restoring of our national pride after Carter damaged it was "stupid"?
Sure the economy recovered following the economic turmoil after we had left Vietnam and OPEC was formed... it would have happened even had Carter been reelected... and of course the military had to be rebuilt after Vietnam... Reagan just happened to be in the office.... about all Reagan did, being the actor he was, make rosy speeches (written by someone else... Pat Buchanan, a lot of them)... and made us "feel good" every time we saw him... red/white/and blue good times are here... problem was, we didn't always see him and know what he was doing to stab our country in the back as we patted him on the back... that was stupid... and some of us knew he was doing it... we are still feeling the negative effects of the Reagan administration today...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 10:21:46 GMT -5
BALDEAGLE SAID: "One of the posters here calls Obama a puppet, in reality Reagan was far more a puppet. Yes, he was a very good speaker and could deliver his lines perfectly, I just loved that "My fellow Americans" schtick, he certainly could fool a lot of the people a lot of the time... still does on the evidence of this thread. "You are so right, Baldeagle... lot of ignorance where Ronald Reagan is concerned...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 10:26:45 GMT -5
BALDEAGLE SAID: "Reagan was, hell for much of his second term he wasn't even on the same planet as the rest of us, his brain had gone AWOL."
Redleg must just not get out very often... can you imagine what they would say if the caught Obama sleeping during his Cabinet meetings like they did Reagan?...(I have it on video)... hell, he didn't have a clue what was even going on during that last term... but he kept waving that flag and those robots kept slobbering... still are...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 10:29:38 GMT -5
RAVENCHAMP SAID: "Reagan was the best leader for this nation since JFK and still beats anyone after him."
Reagan "presented " himself well... very well... but have to ever herd the term "Wolf in sheep's clothing"... that was Ronald Wilson Reagan... I knew his moves VERY well... too well for my own good...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 3, 2014 10:37:05 GMT -5
Leader?... yes... a lot of folks would have followed him right off into the Pacific Ocean... the Pied Piper from Tampico...
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Post by redleg on Mar 3, 2014 10:48:57 GMT -5
REDLEG SAID: "Really? So, Reagan's rebuilding of the economy after the disaster of Carter, his rebuilding of the military after the disaster of Carter, and his restoring of our national pride after Carter damaged it was "stupid"?Sure the economy recovered following the economic turmoil after we had left Vietnam and OPEC was formed... it would have happened even had Carter been reelected... and of course the military had to be rebuilt after Vietnam... Reagan just happened to be in the office.... about all Reagan did, being the actor he was, make rosy speeches (written by someone else... Pat Buchanan, a lot of them)... and made us "feel good" every time we saw him... red/white/and blue good times are here... problem was, we didn't always see him and know what he was doing to stab our country in the back as we patted him on the back... that was stupid... and some of us knew he was doing it... we are still feeling the negative effects of the Reagan administration today... And you know this how? Had Carter been a leader, it would have happened regardless. Reagan brought leadership to the government that Carter didn't have. Like The Puppet, Carter was feckless and clueless. Reagan wrote a lot of his own speeches. One of the few, since, probably FDR, that did so. Just because the current occupant can't even read what's written for him, much less write it himself, is no reason to go after Reagan, just because he presents such a sharp contrast. As for 'effects', no, Clinton pretty much ended what Reagan built. Clinton rode the Reagan economy into the ground, and The Puppet has pretty much put a nail into the coffin of our economy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 10:50:41 GMT -5
The Great Communicator
Because of this, Regan is still considered by many to be one of our best liked Presidents.
Yes, in his second term he as in the beginning stages of a horrible, debilitating disease, however he probably didn't even know it.
I don't consider it proper to criticize a man for contracting a terrible disease that he certainly had no responsibility for.
As far as I recall, the country didn't know about it until after he left office.
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Post by highmc2 on Mar 3, 2014 11:02:24 GMT -5
Reagan was the best choice at the time, although I recall voting for GHWB in the primary. His administration was far from perfect, and some decisions have had a lasting negative imprint.
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Post by brsunshine on Mar 3, 2014 11:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by dogbert on Mar 3, 2014 12:01:51 GMT -5
If you believe that US warships in the Black Sea, Eastern Mediterranean, Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea do not carry nuclear warheads then I have a bridge you may want to buy... eagle, if you think there are normally nuclear weapons aboard surface vessels in these areas, you don't understand things as well as you think you do. The US Navy is not going to bring a nuclear device into the Black Sea, where it would be a political incident, nor into the Persian Gulf, where some whack job with a couple of mines could get lucky. When your mechanism for delivering such a weapon is several hundred miles long, the need to bring such a device in close is minimized. Well said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:06:49 GMT -5
eagle, if you think there are normally nuclear weapons aboard surface vessels in these areas, you don't understand things as well as you think you do. The US Navy is not going to bring a nuclear device into the Black Sea, where it would be a political incident, nor into the Persian Gulf, where some whack job with a couple of mines could get lucky. When your mechanism for delivering such a weapon is several hundred miles long, the need to bring such a device in close is minimized. Well said. Notice that he chose not to mention the Mediterranean Sea and Arabian Sea that I also stated... A case of "well NOT said" eh?
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Post by dogbert on Mar 3, 2014 12:24:07 GMT -5
Notice that he chose not to mention the Mediterranean Sea and Arabian Sea that I also stated... A case of "well NOT said" eh? It is a policy of the US Navy not have surface ships carry nuclear weapons in peacetime. No matter how smart you think you are or how clever you think your comebacks are the plain truth is the truth and the facts are the facts. You have demonstrated time and time again that you do not have command of you facts and by your own admission you don't understand geo-global politics. Carrying nuclear weapons around on surface ships is a dangerous act that only fools would do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:36:03 GMT -5
Notice that he chose not to mention the Mediterranean Sea and Arabian Sea that I also stated... A case of "well NOT said" eh? It is a policy of the US Navy not have surface ships carry nuclear weapons in peacetime. No matter how smart you think you are or how clever you think your comebacks are the plain truth is the truth and the facts are the facts. You have demonstrated time and time again that you do not have command of you facts and by your own admission you don't understand geo-global politics. Carrying nuclear weapons around on surface ships is a dangerous act that only fools would do. I was wondering that myself. Could you imagine the fallout if one of our ships was caught with nukes in Mediterranean or Gulf? I doubt we're even in the Black Sea- why take that risk when there are satellites to spy? ICBMs, submarines with nukes in Atlantic and Pacific-- don't really need them anywhere else. The risk is too great, benefit nil.
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Post by musicman on Mar 3, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -5
What would our prestigious keyboard diplomats or Secretary of State's do in this situation? Complaints and criticism are just a fart in the wind without alternative ideas. What would you do different? What would Kennedy do? What would Reagan have done? What would I do different than 0bama? Well at this point nothing. He has put himself in the position of being absolutely unable to do anything about this. If he would have had some balls on the international front concerning Syria and Iran a while ago and stood tall and took action when his "red line" was crossed, Putin might think twice about the Crimea crap he's pulling. Instead 0bama has shown himself to be a spineless, gutless and useless pussy of a president and Putin can see right through him. I wish our president had a set of balls like the russian president does.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 3, 2014 13:32:26 GMT -5
Russia didn't fear Reagan... they feared his stupidity... which he demonstrated regularly... Really? So, Reagan's rebuilding of the economy after the disaster of Carter, his rebuilding of the military after the disaster of Carter, and his restoring of our national pride after Carter damaged it was "stupid"? amen bro, so 100% correct
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 13:40:46 GMT -5
What would our prestigious keyboard diplomats or Secretary of State's do in this situation? Complaints and criticism are just a fart in the wind without alternative ideas. What would you do different? What would Kennedy do? What would Reagan have done? The US primary non military strength in this crisis lies in our banking industry. Russia's' economy, unlike the former USSR relies heavily on trade with the Western countries. AS weak as Russia's economy is, a trade and economic embargo, freezing of Russian assets in the Western countries could turn the tide, so to speak.
How's that for "keyboard diplomacy?"
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