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Post by aboutwell on Jul 3, 2014 11:01:17 GMT -5
That's the only thing I could imagine that RJ considered to be an "insipid personal attack"... you know any different?... I don't think it struck a nerve, as you claim. I think he was simply pointing out that you resorted to a personal attack. Nice try though The reason I mentioned the "cap being on backwards" and mentioned Hotdiggity is that so often I have made comments to Hotdiggity and he turned right around and said I supported him (like RJ had just done) when I had just said the exact opposite... it wasn't necessarily an attack... it was a comparison of two very absurd posters... Jul 2, 2014 19:41:33 GMT -5 Ranger John said: So then you agree with me. This administration screws up pretty much everything it touches... and it's greatest 'successes' are questionable.Never said or implied any such thing...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 3, 2014 11:10:10 GMT -5
Someone asks me to name ONE GOOD THING the Obama administration had done... I listed one on a list of 50... you didn't like it... then you attack me for providing what was asked for... (no wonder I don"t provide more links... total waste of my valuable time)... That backwards cap question must have hit a nerve, huh?... I questioned whether or not it was actually a good thing - and my point was valid. It might have been from a list of 50, but you neglected to post another item from that list. A list, I'm sure, that included Obamacare, which turns into a bigger and bigger disaster every day. And then, rather than trying to come up with some shred of a valid point, you got personal. Why? Because in your desperation THATS ALL YOU GOT. You only asked for just ONE... I gave you just ONE... then you wanted to argue about that ONE... why would I want to give you another ONE... just so you could bitch and argue about?... And even Redleg pointed out that we were making a better plane than the F-16... the F-22...
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Post by redleg on Jul 3, 2014 11:40:17 GMT -5
I questioned whether or not it was actually a good thing - and my point was valid. It might have been from a list of 50, but you neglected to post another item from that list. A list, I'm sure, that included Obamacare, which turns into a bigger and bigger disaster every day. And then, rather than trying to come up with some shred of a valid point, you got personal. Why? Because in your desperation THATS ALL YOU GOT. You only asked for just ONE... I gave you just ONE... then you wanted to argue about that ONE... why would I want to give you another ONE... just so you could bitch and argue about?... And even Redleg pointed out that we were making a better plane than the F-16... the F-22... I didn't say it was better than the F16. I never worked with 22s. I simply pointed out that the best fighter in the world so far, the F16, also cost billions, and didn't fly a single combat mission until the Gulf War. So, should we have canceled that, and stayed with the F4?
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 3, 2014 12:29:38 GMT -5
I questioned whether or not it was actually a good thing - and my point was valid. It might have been from a list of 50, but you neglected to post another item from that list. A list, I'm sure, that included Obamacare, which turns into a bigger and bigger disaster every day. And then, rather than trying to come up with some shred of a valid point, you got personal. Why? Because in your desperation THATS ALL YOU GOT. You only asked for just ONE... I gave you just ONE... then you wanted to argue about that ONE... why would I want to give you another ONE... just so you could bitch and argue about?... And even Redleg pointed out that we were making a better plane than the F-16... the F-22... Yeah. And had you suggested that Lois Lerner's persecution of Tea Party, I'd have said that wasn't a success either.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 3, 2014 17:25:22 GMT -5
You only asked for just ONE... I gave you just ONE... then you wanted to argue about that ONE... why would I want to give you another ONE... just so you could bitch and argue about?... And even Redleg pointed out that we were making a better plane than the F-16... the F-22... Yeah. And had you suggested that Lois Lerner's persecution of Tea Party, I'd have said that wasn't a success either. But I didn't Next...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 3, 2014 17:32:06 GMT -5
You only asked for just ONE... I gave you just ONE... then you wanted to argue about that ONE... why would I want to give you another ONE... just so you could bitch and argue about?... And even Redleg pointed out that we were making a better plane than the F-16... the F-22... I didn't say it was better than the F16. I never worked with 22s. I simply pointed out that the best fighter in the world so far, the F16, also cost billions, and didn't fly a single combat mission until the Gulf War. So, should we have canceled that, and stayed with the F4? Sure you did... are you backing off now?.. Jul 2, 2014 22:42:07 GMT -5 redleg said: You claim it was a good thing. What happens when we have to face China, with all the computer power Waco Billy Boy gave them? Do you think they aren't building faster, better fighters? And bombers?
Jul 2, 2014 23:22:58 GMT -5 aboutwell said: Yes... and so are we... better than the F-16...
Jul 3, 2014 8:09:03 GMT -5 redleg said: And the F22 was one of them.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 3, 2014 19:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah. And had you suggested that Lois Lerner's persecution of Tea Party, I'd have said that wasn't a success either. But I didn't Next... No, you suggested cancelling the F-22 was an accomplishment. It isn't. It may turn out to be one. It may turn out to be another massive Obama fail. Only time will tell. It is FAR too early to put it down as a success. And, at the end of the day, the only difference between cancelling the F-22 and the IRS abusing Obama's political enemies is that we KNOW the IRS scandal is an administration failure.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 3, 2014 20:44:21 GMT -5
Unless it was an expensive crap plan that provided minimal coverage that 'Thank Goodness' the insurances companies are restricted from selling because of the ACA. You are repeating administration propaganda. When they made the ACA, they let everyone make the case that their services had to be covered. That's why I, a single male, has to pay for a plan that includes care for children. Let people with children pay for that. It's why I, sane, have to pay for psychiatric services only nuts use. Let people with that family history decide whether or not they want that coverage. And so on.
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Post by Cuchulain on Jul 3, 2014 22:31:11 GMT -5
Unless it was an expensive crap plan that provided minimal coverage that 'Thank Goodness' the insurances companies are restricted from selling because of the ACA. You are repeating administration propaganda. When they made the ACA, they let everyone make the case that their services had to be covered. That's why I, a single male, has to pay for a plan that includes care for children. Let people with children pay for that. It's why I, sane, have to pay for psychiatric services only nuts use. Let people with that family history decide whether or not they want that coverage. And so on. Obamacare threw everything, including the kitchen sink, into mandated health care coverage regardless of how needed by the population at large, regardless of how significant the supposed need being addressed, and regardless of how much the cost to all of us working stiffs will be. I have had employer provided health care coverage for many years - it costs me big bucks, both the money I pay directly and the money paid by my employer with dollars that could otherwise be paid to me and my co-workers. Since the time that Obamacare has been enacted, both my premiums and my co-pays have increased dramatically. My coverages for basic services, including not only dental and vision, but also basic medical - have contracted. They have increased in cost notwithstanding the diminution of coverage that I have endured as a result of Obamacare. Obamacare has turned my heretofore excellent health care plan into a "crap" plan that provides less coverage at more cost for higher premiums with higher co-pays, and more importantly, with more second guessing of my doctors by nameless bean-counters who apparently answer to no one but themselves. Now please tell me why I should have to pay for Sandra Fluke to have the privilege to flat-back with impunity with no consequences.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 4, 2014 1:02:43 GMT -5
No, you suggested cancelling the F-22 was an accomplishment. It isn't. It may turn out to be one. It may turn out to be another massive Obama fail. Only time will tell. It is FAR too early to put it down as a success. And, at the end of the day, the only difference between cancelling the F-22 and the IRS abusing Obama's political enemies is that we KNOW the IRS scandal is an administration failure. I said nothing about cancelling the F-22... I said the F-16... Redleg said they made the F-22 which was better than the cancelled F-16...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 4, 2014 1:03:58 GMT -5
No, you suggested cancelling the F-22 was an accomplishment. It isn't. It may turn out to be one. It may turn out to be another massive Obama fail. Only time will tell. It is FAR too early to put it down as a success. And, at the end of the day, the only difference between cancelling the F-22 and the IRS abusing Obama's political enemies is that we KNOW the IRS scandal is an administration failure. I said nothing about cancelling the F-22... I said the F-16... Redleg said they made the F-22 which was better than the cancelled F-16... Next... again...
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 4, 2014 9:30:29 GMT -5
And it still polls higher than the Republican Congress………. Which includes the Democrat half.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 4, 2014 10:00:54 GMT -5
I said nothing about cancelling the F-22... I said the F-16... Redleg said they made the F-22 which was better than the cancelled F-16... Next... again... No, aboutwell, it was canceling the F22 that you thought was Obama's accomplishment. You said it was a huge waste of money, and made much if the fact it has never flown in combat.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 4, 2014 15:45:35 GMT -5
No, aboutwell, it was canceling the F22 that you thought was Obama's accomplishment. You said it was a huge waste of money, and made much if the fact it has never flown in combat. You are right... now I gotta go back and see where that F-16 came in... I'll do that later... right now we're going to get us a Smith County watermelon... a 4th of July tradition here in South Mississippi... and that comes first on my present list of priorities...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 4, 2014 16:11:04 GMT -5
Okay guys... you were right... I was wrong... I'll probably have boils on my ass for the next six months... my apologies to all of you... I have no idea where it got from the F-22 back to the F-16... and I'm not sure I'm gonna look... I'm not sure I really care... I admitted that I was wrong... you guys win this time... mark it on your calendars...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 22, 2014 12:03:15 GMT -5
"A panel of federal appeals court that covers Washington, D.C., ruled 2-1 that the subsidies are illegal. But about two hours later, a panel from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 3-0 in a separate case that the subsidies are legal."
Only an expected minor bump in the road...
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 22, 2014 14:52:26 GMT -5
"A panel of federal appeals court that covers Washington, D.C., ruled 2-1 that the subsidies are illegal. But about two hours later, a panel from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 3-0 in a separate case that the subsidies are legal."Only an expected minor bump in the road... If it makes it to the SC in October it could go down 5-4 ....
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Post by vosa on Jul 22, 2014 14:54:43 GMT -5
"A panel of federal appeals court that covers Washington, D.C., ruled 2-1 that the subsidies are illegal. But about two hours later, a panel from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 3-0 in a separate case that the subsidies are legal."Only an expected minor bump in the road... May be. But the fat lady is starting to limber up her vocal cords.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 22, 2014 15:29:08 GMT -5
She'll be limbering a long time then...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
But is it now safe to say that Obamacare is still a mess? If congress had legislated what the administration now claims they intended then this would be a mess. Or it wouldn't have passed.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 22, 2014 15:52:10 GMT -5
"A panel of federal appeals court that covers Washington, D.C., ruled 2-1 that the subsidies are illegal. But about two hours later, a panel from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 3-0 in a separate case that the subsidies are legal."Only an expected minor bump in the road... One appeals court says they're illegal and another says they're not. Doesn't really matter who decided what - that's a sign of an effed up law.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 22, 2014 16:04:55 GMT -5
One appeals court says they're illegal and another says they're not. Doesn't really matter who decided what - that's a sign of an effed up law. This kind of thing usually leads to Supreme Court review.
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 22, 2014 17:12:59 GMT -5
One appeals court says they're illegal and another says they're not. Doesn't really matter who decided what - that's a sign of an effed up law. This kind of thing usually leads to Supreme Court review. Good, I'll take another 5-4, lets hope Ginsberg last another 2 1/2 years before she goes to wherever dead vampires go.
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