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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 12:32:18 GMT -5
Shockingly unexpected?... a mess?... looks pretty good to me... most everything new has "bugs"... to think that this one doesn't... is what would seem "unexpected"... "perfection" would be nice... but it's hardly "expected"...
"A pair of reports, issued Tuesday by the Department Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General, conclude that 'internal controls' for evaluating applications were not always effective at verifying people’s Social Security numbers, their citizenship, and whether they are eligible to buy health plans through the marketplaces because they cannot find affordable insurance elsewhere.
The inspector general’s mission is to ferret out fraud and waste in the department’s programs.
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Post by dogbert on Jul 2, 2014 12:34:17 GMT -5
And this is surprising how? An illegal law passed by illegal acts of Congress by traitorous statests to seize control of one sixth of the economy and the control of most every citizen of the nation lives and wellbeing controlled by unbelievably incompetent, lazy, criminally negligent government "employees". Shocker!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 13:10:02 GMT -5
Shockingly unexpected?... a mess?... looks pretty good to me... most everything new has "bugs"... to think that this one doesn't... is what would seem "unexpected"... "perfection" would be nice... but it's hardly "expected"... "A pair of reports, issued Tuesday by the Department Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General, conclude that 'internal controls' for evaluating applications were not always effective at verifying people’s Social Security numbers, their citizenship, and whether they are eligible to buy health plans through the marketplaces because they cannot find affordable insurance elsewhere.
The inspector general’s mission is to ferret out fraud and waste in the department’s programs.emphasis added. Obama claims 8 million victims for this program and 2.6 million can't be sorted out due the system not being fully operational. That is 32.5%. This isn't asking for perfection. This isn't even asking for pretty good. This is in the realm of failure. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 14:27:37 GMT -5
Shockingly unexpected?... a mess?... looks pretty good to me... most everything new has "bugs"... to think that this one doesn't... is what would seem "unexpected"... "perfection" would be nice... but it's hardly "expected"... "A pair of reports, issued Tuesday by the Department Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General, conclude that 'internal controls' for evaluating applications were not always effective at verifying people’s Social Security numbers, their citizenship, and whether they are eligible to buy health plans through the marketplaces because they cannot find affordable insurance elsewhere.
The inspector general’s mission is to ferret out fraud and waste in the department’s programs.emphasis added. Obama claims 8 million victims for this program and 2.6 million can't be sorted out due the system not being fully operational. That is 32.5%. This isn't asking for perfection. This isn't even asking for pretty good. This is in the realm of failure. "Could" and "Was" are both past tense verbs... "the ACA is still a mess"... "is" is a present tense verb... what is the status of those computer systems today?... Just askin'... Additional emphasis added... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 14:41:07 GMT -5
Considering the reports are from 6/30 and 7/2, that is a pretty recent past tense to be hanging a defense on.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 14:52:16 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?...
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 2, 2014 14:55:55 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes it is aboutwell. The report identifies the results "as of late last year". I'm hoping that you are not suggesting that the administration has fixed 2.6 million cases in five to eight months. |
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 2, 2014 15:00:29 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes it is aboutwell. The report identifies the results "as of late last year". I'm hoping that you are not suggesting that the administration has fixed 2.6 million cases in five to eight months. Obama creates miracles, everyone knows that ..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 15:02:37 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes. Considering they're the most recent thing I have to go on I'll stick with the claim that it is still a mess. Not to mention, I've been told way too many times to wait for Obamacare to get better only to watch it get worse. I'm waiting for the employer mandate to be enforced. Because then I fear I too will be one of the ACA's victims. |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 2, 2014 15:11:45 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes. Considering they're the most recent thing I have to go on I'll stick with the claim that it is still a mess. Not to mention, I've been told way too many times to wait for Obamacare to get better only to watch it get worse. I'm waiting for the employer mandate to be enforced. Because then I fear I too will be one of the ACA's victims. I am not yet convinced that we will see the employer mandate ever enforced, at least in its original form. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 15:23:05 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes it is aboutwell. The report identifies the results "as of late last year". I'm hoping that you are not suggesting that the administration has fixed 2.6 million cases in five to eight months. I'm not suggesting anything... I don't know... but I can certainly hope so... do you know?... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 15:25:42 GMT -5
The verbiage in those reports is still past tense... it's an after-the-fact report... right?... Yes. Considering they're the most recent thing I have to go on I'll stick with the claim that it is still a mess. Not to mention, I've been told way too many times to wait for Obamacare to get better only to watch it get worse. I'm waiting for the employer mandate to be enforced. Because then I fear I too will be one of the ACA's victims. But the report didn't say it "is" still a mess... it said it "was" a mess... see how much it really does matter what the meaning of "is" is...  Bill was right... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 15:26:14 GMT -5
Yes it is aboutwell. The report identifies the results "as of late last year". I'm hoping that you are not suggesting that the administration has fixed 2.6 million cases in five to eight months. Obama creates miracles, everyone knows that ..... YOU may think so... I don't... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 15:28:06 GMT -5
Yes. Considering they're the most recent thing I have to go on I'll stick with the claim that it is still a mess. Not to mention, I've been told way too many times to wait for Obamacare to get better only to watch it get worse. I'm waiting for the employer mandate to be enforced. Because then I fear I too will be one of the ACA's victims. I am not yet convinced that we will see the employer mandate ever enforced, at least in its original form. You could be right... one never knows until it happens... and "could" is a future tense verb... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 15:34:04 GMT -5
Yes. Considering they're the most recent thing I have to go on I'll stick with the claim that it is still a mess. Not to mention, I've been told way too many times to wait for Obamacare to get better only to watch it get worse. I'm waiting for the employer mandate to be enforced. Because then I fear I too will be one of the ACA's victims. But the report didn't say it "is" still a mess... it said it "was" a mess... see how much it really does matter what the meaning of "is" is... Bill was right... Grammatically based optimism is up to you. I'll stick with the reality that the ACA has been, still is, and promises to be, a mess. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 15:36:03 GMT -5
That is certainly your right... have a blissful day...
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 2, 2014 16:12:44 GMT -5
Shockingly unexpected?... a mess?... looks pretty good to me... most everything new has "bugs"... to think that this one doesn't... is what would seem "unexpected"... "perfection" would be nice... but it's hardly "expected"... "A pair of reports, issued Tuesday by the Department Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General, conclude that 'internal controls' for evaluating applications were not always effective at verifying people’s Social Security numbers, their citizenship, and whether they are eligible to buy health plans through the marketplaces because they cannot find affordable insurance elsewhere.
The inspector general’s mission is to ferret out fraud and waste in the department’s programs.emphasis added. Obama claims 8 million victims for this program and 2.6 million can't be sorted out due the system not being fully operational. That is 32.5%. This isn't asking for perfection. This isn't even asking for pretty good. This is in the realm of failure. You mean to tell me that when the Obama administration claimed that 8 million had singed up for Obamacare, there was no basis for claiming 2.6 million of them? In other words, the administration essentially lied, and it would be much more accurate to claim they only had 5.4 million signed up? Yes. Shockingly expected. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 2, 2014 16:17:01 GMT -5
Really, the most shocking thing here is that people actually believed it when the administration claimed 8 million had signed up, and about half of those did so in the last few weeks.
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Post by kashmir on Jul 2, 2014 18:30:01 GMT -5
And it still polls higher than the Republican Congress………. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 19:06:19 GMT -5
emphasis added. Obama claims 8 million victims for this program and 2.6 million can't be sorted out due the system not being fully operational. That is 32.5%. This isn't asking for perfection. This isn't even asking for pretty good. This is in the realm of failure. You mean to tell me that when the Obama administration claimed that 8 million had singed up for Obamacare, there was no basis for claiming 2.6 million of them? In other words, the administration essentially lied, and it would be much more accurate to claim they only had 5.4 million signed up? Yes. Shockingly expected. Yes... it is shocking to believe that some will believe anything bad that is said about this particular administration... most of them who believed nothing bad they heard about the previous administration... |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 2, 2014 19:18:03 GMT -5
You mean to tell me that when the Obama administration claimed that 8 million had singed up for Obamacare, there was no basis for claiming 2.6 million of them? In other words, the administration essentially lied, and it would be much more accurate to claim they only had 5.4 million signed up? Yes. Shockingly expected. Yes... it is shocking to believe that some will believe anything bad that is said about this particular administration... most of them who believed nothing bad they heard about the previous administration... That's not shocking at all. This administration effs up everything it touches. Including it's claims about the number of Obamacare signups. There is no data supporting the 8 million number they've been triumphantly throwing around. The real number appears to be closer to 5.4 million - at least that's the number they can document. And that is a massive failure - and yet another blatant lie. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 2, 2014 19:21:27 GMT -5
What will shock me is if the mess ever actually works. Indeed, I suspect that on that day, hospitals will be overloaded with heart patients. Fortunately, they'll all have insurance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 19:24:35 GMT -5
What will shock me is if the mess ever actually works. Indeed, I suspect that on that day, hospitals will be overloaded with heart patients. Fortunately, they'll all have insurance. Keep dreaming EY. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 2, 2014 19:25:21 GMT -5
Yes... it is shocking to believe that some will believe anything bad that is said about this particular administration... most of them who believed nothing bad they heard about the previous administration... That's not shocking at all. This administration effs up everything it touches. Including it's claims about the number of Obamacare signups. There is no data supporting the 8 million number they've been triumphantly throwing around. The real number appears to be closer to 5.4 million - at least that's the number they can document. And that is a massive failure - and yet another blatant lie. See what I mean?... |
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