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Post by redleg on Jul 25, 2014 21:22:58 GMT -5
Hamas is the military arm of the governing authority of Gaza. The governing authority received funds, ergo, Hamas received funds. Because money is fungible, funds received from other sources for the purpose of generic aid could be used to supplant US funds and be used for weapons, without violating US Law. You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. No, that statement was entirely correct. Just like the money confiscated from your paycheck for "Social Security" is used to buy votes, pay off the money men, and line the pockets of politicians. But it "went to Social Security".
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Post by redleg on Jul 25, 2014 21:31:29 GMT -5
Hamas is the military arm of the governing authority of Gaza. The governing authority received funds, ergo, Hamas received funds. Because money is fungible, funds received from other sources for the purpose of generic aid could be used to supplant US funds and be used for weapons, without violating US Law. You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. On that you are correct. I misread my source. Hamas has gotten $1-3 billion since 2010.
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Post by Cuchulain on Jul 25, 2014 21:42:49 GMT -5
You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. No, that statement was entirely correct. Just like the money confiscated from your paycheck for "Social Security" is used to buy votes, pay off the money men, and line the pockets of politicians. But it "went to Social Security". I would dearly like to be able to recall the thousands of dollars I have paid into Social Security and Medicare over the last half century. But more to the point, I would like to have been paid directly with those dollars and the dollars paid by my employers into Social Security and Medicare. I will never recoup those dollars. Those dollars are no different from the dollars granted to entities like Hamas. As an earlier poster observed, they are fungible. We are funding our deadly enemy.
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Post by redleg on Jul 25, 2014 21:45:40 GMT -5
No, that statement was entirely correct. Just like the money confiscated from your paycheck for "Social Security" is used to buy votes, pay off the money men, and line the pockets of politicians. But it "went to Social Security". I would dearly like to be able to recall the thousands of dollars I have paid into Social Security and Medicare over the last half century. But more to the point, I would like to have been paid directly with those dollars and the dollars paid by my employers into Social Security and Medicare. I will never recoup those dollars. Those dollars are no different from the dollars granted to entities like Hamas. As an earlier poster observed, they are fungible. We are funding our deadly enemy. Yes, we are, and we have far too many mindless drones that simply nod their heads and hand over their wallets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 4:59:26 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children?
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Post by kashmir on Jul 26, 2014 5:15:55 GMT -5
Dayum, who is keeping count of the wars McCain would have us in? Bueller? Bueller??
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 26, 2014 6:09:12 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? It would be pretty bad to be directly responsible, it is good that Hama's has that honor by keeping civilians near their tunnels, and missiles. But what can you expect from a terrorist organization .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 7:32:04 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? It would be pretty bad to be directly responsible, it is good that Hama's has that honor by keeping civilians near their tunnels, and missiles. But what can you expect from a terrorist organization .Good question, ask the Israelis, that's how Israel was formed, by a bunch of Zionist terrorists.
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Post by redleg on Jul 26, 2014 7:34:12 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? Well, I guess funding Hamas has that effect. I say cut off all aid to Hamas until they stop firing rockets at Israel.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 26, 2014 7:41:02 GMT -5
Hamas is the military arm of the governing authority of Gaza. The governing authority received funds, ergo, Hamas received funds. Because money is fungible, funds received from other sources for the purpose of generic aid could be used to supplant US funds and be used for weapons, without violating US Law. You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 26, 2014 7:42:30 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? Assuming you have paid your taxes, we would all share in that direct responsibility, were such direct responsibility to exist.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 26, 2014 7:58:30 GMT -5
You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play. Wait. Do I get more warning points for calling someone a lawyer or a politician?
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Post by kashmir on Jul 26, 2014 8:03:23 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? Assuming you have paid your taxes, we would all share in that direct responsibility, were such direct responsibility to exist. Who is so naive to think all aid the government shells out makes it to the appropriate designation?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:03:43 GMT -5
You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play. My statement, "The US has not given one cent to Hamas", is the only legitimate statement made here, "fungible" that Dude, it is you and yours that are doing the verbal acrobatics, and that is where you'll find your illegitimacy.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 26, 2014 8:08:44 GMT -5
You have merely mirrored what has already been said by others. I have at no point said that Hamas has not acquired some of the aid, I just challenged the original statement that the US gave between 1-3 billion dollars of aid to Hamas, that statement was clearly incorrect, also hopelessly incorrect was the amount as the provided list shows that West Bank/Gaza only received 457,000 odd dollars in economic aid and zero in military assistance. Why is it that people here can't be honest, as I said, the US has not given any aid to Hamas, at no point did I say that Hamas hasn't received any of it? Using the extrapolations and contortions that have been used here I could conjure up some real juicy propositions/scenarios, if I was of a mind to. You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play. Politician.... ha ha... Reminds me of that old anti-Nixon ad the Democrats used to run: A picture of Nixon with the caption "Would you buy a used car from this man?"
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Post by aponderer on Jul 26, 2014 8:15:48 GMT -5
It would be pretty bad to be directly responsible, it is good that Hama's has that honor by keeping civilians near their tunnels, and missiles. But what can you expect from a terrorist organization .Good question, ask the Israelis, that's how Israel was formed, by a bunch of Zionist terrorists. So now you're calling the Israelis terrorists... If I agree that the Israelis are terrorists, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:18:04 GMT -5
Good question, ask the Israelis, that's how Israel was formed, by a bunch of Zionist terrorists. So now you're calling the Israelis terrorists... If I agree that the Israelis are terrorist, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists? "Israel was formed" ie born out of terrorism, what part of that are you disputing?
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Post by aponderer on Jul 26, 2014 8:27:01 GMT -5
So now you're calling the Israelis terrorists... If I agree that the Israelis are terrorists, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists? "Israel was formed" ie born out of terrorism, what part of that are you disputing? The US was formed i.e., born out of revolution against the Crown. By your logic, all Americans are revolutionaries. I'll ask the question again: If I agree that the Israelis are terrorists, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:36:04 GMT -5
"Israel was formed" ie born out of terrorism, what part of that are you disputing? The US was formed i.e., born out of revolution against the Crown. By your logic, all Americans are revolutionaries. I'll ask the question again: If I agree that the Israelis are terrorists, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists? I wonder if middleoftheroad will question the legitimacy of of your posting style, will he ask if you were a former politician or lawyer? Nah, something tells me your contortions will get a free pass from him.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 26, 2014 8:38:56 GMT -5
The US was formed i.e., born out of revolution against the Crown. By your logic, all Americans are revolutionaries. I'll ask the question again: If I agree that the Israelis are terrorists, will you agree that the Palestinians are terrorists? I wonder if middleoftheroad will question the legitimacy of of your posting style, will he ask if you were a former politician or lawyer? Nah, something tells me your contortions will get a free pass from him. Whatever floats your boat...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:40:32 GMT -5
You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play. Wait. Do I get more warning points for calling someone a lawyer or a politician? Obviously not, if your above post questioning the moderators has been allowed to stand.
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Post by kashmir on Jul 26, 2014 9:06:23 GMT -5
Damn I sure am glad McCain and Palin aren't in the White House, we would be at war with most of the universe by now.
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Post by Cuchulain on Jul 26, 2014 11:54:51 GMT -5
You must have been either a lawyer or a politician in your earlier years to engage in this kind of illegitimate word play. Politician.... ha ha... Reminds me of that old anti-Nixon ad the Democrats used to run: A picture of Nixon with the caption "Would you buy a used car from this man?"
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 26, 2014 12:03:22 GMT -5
Okay chaps, have it your way with your 'fungibles'. How do you like to be directly responsible for the deaths of more than 900 Palestinians (and rising), mostly innocent women and children? Damn brits, how dare they defend themselves against the Heinkels What pos they were!
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Post by kashmir on Jul 26, 2014 12:27:51 GMT -5
Atta boy!!!
Showing those true colors…….
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