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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 15, 2014 9:35:14 GMT -5
I surely give them more that one chance. Why? There's a competitor, usually right down the street or a town over. The way you get people to do better quality work is by voting with your dollars. If I'm the only one dissatisfied, then they'll stay in business because their other customers will keep them in business. But if they're making a lot of mistakes, and everyone (including me) keeps "giving them a second chance" then they'll stay in business despite being poor businessmen. If they're making a lot of mistakes and people stop doing business with them, they'll go out of business and someone (hopefully) better will replace them. At the risk of bringing politics here, this is what should have happened to the banks and automakers whose executives made bad decisions. I own a business, sort of: I am a self-employed software developer. If I made a mistake I wouldn't expect a client to ever hire me again. So far, thankfully, it hasn't happened.
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Post by shutout on Sept 15, 2014 9:55:19 GMT -5
A lot of mistakes is a far cry from mayo on a sandwich. In addition you speak on tough stance then do another. You stated you will still shop there just not to purchase a sandwich.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Sept 15, 2014 10:18:40 GMT -5
A lot of mistakes is a far cry from mayo on a sandwich. In addition you speak on tough stance then do another. You stated you will still shop there just not to purchase a sandwich. A lot of mistakes = the result of poor employees over time. I'm extrapolating here; that should have been apparent. I visited a Quizno's once. Like Subway, you watch them prepare the food. I asked for no mayonnaise that time, too. And watched as the guy dipped his knife in the mayo. I caught him, then, and got my sandwich prepared as I wanted it prepared. Later, I'd heard that a lot of people had trouble getting sandwiches made the way they asked at Quiznos. One thing Subway does well is hire and/or train people to do what their customers ask them to. Quinzos, in the same retail space, evidently couldn't be bothered. Where are they now? Largely if not entirely dead. That's what's supposed to happen.
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Post by vosa on Sept 15, 2014 10:47:17 GMT -5
I surely give them more that one chance. Why? There's a competitor, usually right down the street or a town over. The way you get people to do better quality work is by voting with your dollars. If I'm the only one dissatisfied, then they'll stay in business because their other customers will keep them in business. But if they're making a lot of mistakes, and everyone (including me) keeps "giving them a second chance" then they'll stay in business despite being poor businessmen. If they're making a lot of mistakes and people stop doing business with them, they'll go out of business and someone (hopefully) better will replace them. At the risk of bringing politics here, this is what should have happened to the banks and automakers whose executives made bad decisions. I own a business, sort of: I am a self-employed software developer. If I made a mistake I wouldn't expect a client to ever hire me again. So far, thankfully, it hasn't happened. Do you test the software you develop?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:57:27 GMT -5
Why? There's a competitor, usually right down the street or a town over. The way you get people to do better quality work is by voting with your dollars. If I'm the only one dissatisfied, then they'll stay in business because their other customers will keep them in business. But if they're making a lot of mistakes, and everyone (including me) keeps "giving them a second chance" then they'll stay in business despite being poor businessmen. If they're making a lot of mistakes and people stop doing business with them, they'll go out of business and someone (hopefully) better will replace them. At the risk of bringing politics here, this is what should have happened to the banks and automakers whose executives made bad decisions. I own a business, sort of: I am a self-employed software developer. If I made a mistake I wouldn't expect a client to ever hire me again. So far, thankfully, it hasn't happened. Do you test the software you develop? What for... too much mayo?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:53:37 GMT -5
Why? There's a competitor, usually right down the street or a town over. The way you get people to do better quality work is by voting with your dollars. If I'm the only one dissatisfied, then they'll stay in business because their other customers will keep them in business. But if they're making a lot of mistakes, and everyone (including me) keeps "giving them a second chance" then they'll stay in business despite being poor businessmen. If they're making a lot of mistakes and people stop doing business with them, they'll go out of business and someone (hopefully) better will replace them. At the risk of bringing politics here, this is what should have happened to the banks and automakers whose executives made bad decisions. I own a business, sort of: I am a self-employed software developer. If I made a mistake I wouldn't expect a client to ever hire me again. So far, thankfully, it hasn't happened. Do you test the software you develop? There is a lot more skill required to design, code, and test computer programs than just simply following an order to leave the damn mayonnaise off of a sandwich.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 13:44:24 GMT -5
Do you test the software you develop? There is a lot more skill required to design, code, and test computer programs than just simply following an order to leave the damn mayonnaise off of a sandwich. Whilst taking your point and generally agreeing with it, there is an old saying that has value here, "horses for courses". 'Skill' is subjective, once you strip out all the professional shibboleths from most professions and trades, many of them are nowhere near as 'Rocket science' as they would have you believe. And, to add weight to my point, many of these professionals wouldn't even know which side of the bread to butter when attempting to engineer a sandwich.
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Post by vosa on Sept 15, 2014 16:56:36 GMT -5
There is a lot more skill required to design, code, and test computer programs than just simply following an order to leave the damn mayonnaise off of a sandwich. Whilst taking your point and generally agreeing with it, there is an old saying that has value here, "horses for courses". 'Skill' is subjective, once you strip out all the professional shibboleths from most professions and trades, many of them are nowhere near as 'Rocket science' as they would have you believe. And, to add weight to my point, many of these professionals wouldn't even know which side of the bread to butter when attempting to engineer a sandwich. Thus the term "idiot savant". People like that can be extremely useful in many professions such as...oh...rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:12:30 GMT -5
Whilst taking your point and generally agreeing with it, there is an old saying that has value here, "horses for courses". 'Skill' is subjective, once you strip out all the professional shibboleths from most professions and trades, many of them are nowhere near as 'Rocket science' as they would have you believe. And, to add weight to my point, many of these professionals wouldn't even know which side of the bread to butter when attempting to engineer a sandwich. Thus the term "idiot savant". People like that can be extremely useful in many professions such as...oh...rocket science. Only you could argue a software developer up to a rocket scientist just to be contrary and belligerent. Carry on stalking!
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Post by vosa on Sept 16, 2014 11:36:55 GMT -5
Thus the term "idiot savant". People like that can be extremely useful in many professions such as...oh...rocket science. Only you could argue a software developer up to a rocket scientist just to be contrary and belligerent. Carry on stalking! Actually if you knew anything about the subject you'd know that software development is a huge part of rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:46:48 GMT -5
Only you could argue a software developer up to a rocket scientist just to be contrary and belligerent. Carry on stalking! Actually if you knew anything about the subject you'd know that software development is a huge part of rocket science. And if you knew anything about it you'd know that not all software developers are rocket scientists, much the same as not all sandwich makers are haute cuisine chefs. Jesus man, you'd start an argument in a monastery.
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Post by vosa on Sept 17, 2014 12:58:30 GMT -5
Actually if you knew anything about the subject you'd know that software development is a huge part of rocket science. And if you knew anything about it you'd know that not all software developers are rocket scientists, much the same as not all sandwich makers are haute cuisine chefs. Jesus man, you'd start an argument in a monastery.Damned right. If one of the inmates said something I thought was wrong they get pushback from me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 14:17:28 GMT -5
And if you knew anything about it you'd know that not all software developers are rocket scientists, much the same as not all sandwich makers are haute cuisine chefs. Jesus man, you'd start an argument in a monastery.Damned right. If one of the inmates said something I thought was wrong they get pushback from me. Too funny!
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