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Post by com6063 on Oct 23, 2014 13:08:44 GMT -5
Has there ever been a successful vaccine for a virus? Umm, Mumps, Measles, Chicken Pox? How are you defining successful? Okay, thanks. Although we still have chicken pox, although not as deadly as Ebola.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 23, 2014 13:58:40 GMT -5
German Measles too, AKA Rubela
had that shot as a kid
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 23, 2014 14:56:22 GMT -5
Has there ever been a successful vaccine for a virus? Many. In fact, it is the only protection against viral illness. The immune system can defend against viruses as well as bacteria. A vaccine basically "pre-loads" the immune system with data about an enemy. Immunology is a fascinating subject.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 23, 2014 14:58:59 GMT -5
Okay, thanks. Although we still have chicken pox, although not as deadly as Ebola. Chicken pox vaccine is a relatively recent invention. Also, chicken pox in childhood is not usually a serious illness. So a lot of parents don't bother with that one. When I was a kid parents would expose kids to it purposely so they'd get sick and be immune. I did not get it that way; I probably picked it up in school - Mom thought deliberately making a kid sick was a bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:37:10 GMT -5
Okay, thanks. Although we still have chicken pox, although not as deadly as Ebola. Chicken pox vaccine is a relatively recent invention. Also, chicken pox in childhood is not usually a serious illness. So a lot of parents don't bother with that one. When I was a kid parents would expose kids to it purposely so they'd get sick and be immune. I did not get it that way; I probably picked it up in school - Mom thought deliberately making a kid sick was a bad idea. Actually the chicken pox vaccine is mandated for entry into school.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:53:27 GMT -5
Has there ever been a successful vaccine for a virus? I believe that the UN declared smallpox to be eradicated some years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:54:08 GMT -5
German Measles too, AKA Rubela had that shot as a kid Polio, too.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 23, 2014 18:52:02 GMT -5
Actually the chicken pox vaccine is mandated for entry into school. Here in Maryland, yes. Not everywhere. Chickenpox kills a small number of people - around 90 - each year. Most of them are adults who never developed it, and in later life it is much more serious. For healthy children it is not a serious disease. The push for mandates and the drive to vaccine children are chiefly products of Merck's marketing engine, not need.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 23, 2014 18:53:37 GMT -5
German Measles too, AKA Rubela had that shot as a kid Polio, too. Polio is returning. Smallpox, so far, not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 19:03:55 GMT -5
Ac. ally thttp://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20862498,00.htmlhttp://celebritybabies.people.com/2014/10/08/kimora-lee-simmons-pregnant-expecting-fourth-child/http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-does-not-have-medical-health-care-background/he chicken pox vaccine is mandated for entry into school. Here in Maryland, yes. Not everywhere. Chickenpox kills a small number of people - around 90 - each year. Most of them are adults who never developed it, and in later life it is much more serious. For healthy children it is not a serious disease. The push for mandates and the drive to vaccine children are chiefly products of Merck's marketing engine, not need. This vaccine was created because of working moms. Our children have become pin cushions. There are too many vaccinations.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 19:13:39 GMT -5
What did Mom say?...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 19:31:09 GMT -5
She said ... You're welcome!
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 19:45:53 GMT -5
She said ... You're welcome! Thanks to Mom... I don't know why I didn't think of Pin cushions...
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Post by cyclegeek on Oct 24, 2014 4:56:42 GMT -5
Sure. Now that people are good and afraid of it, there's money to be made. They'll be trying to get you to get a shot every time you visit the doctor for an annual physical, too. I think I'll wait awhile. My rule of thumb is wait ten years on a new drug; that's usually long enough to reveal any problems that the drugmaker might have "forgotten" to mention in its FDA paperwork. Say it isn't so. I figured all the cuts made by those dreaded Pubs would have delayed this at least another 10 years!
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Post by rentedmule on Oct 24, 2014 5:40:12 GMT -5
Polio is returning. Smallpox, so far, not. I tend to get a little emotional on this subject of public health issues. I spent a year in South East Asia where I was shocked at the cultural disregard for any public health discipline or responsibility. When I arrived I had though of smallpox in very "historical" terms! Yet, around me there were people hardly older than I with the telltale scars of smallpox - the survivors. I lived with children suffering from a multitude of worms, whole villages racked with TB..... all easily and cheaply avoidable! I sorta fear a reversion in the US due to a middle class cavalier attitude regarding immunizations and vaccines. (you mentioned polio!) Yes, in most societies the delivery device is indeed an evil corporation. I assume when the French eliminated smallpox from VietNam in the 1950's there were evil businessmen making some Francs on the service. From my limited redneck perspective I only wish they had also drilled a few wells and constructed some septic systems (for profit of course*).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:08:54 GMT -5
Polio is returning. Smallpox, so far, not. I hadn't heard about polio returning. In the 50's, the threat was very real, I recall my parents taking us to local school for free vaccinations. As I recall the serum was taken orally, on a sugar cube.
I can recall an elementary school classmate who had it, he hopped around on crutches. His name was Johnny, was a great guy, I've wondered what ever happened to him.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 24, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -5
I hadn't heard about polio returning. In the 50's, the threat was very real, I recall my parents taking us to local school for free vaccinations. As I recall the serum was taken orally, on a sugar cube. Yes, that's how I received it. There's a subculture of people who believe all vaccinations (even those with long track records and that protect against crippling diseases) are bad. These people, by evading vaccination in various ways, are creating a reservoir of vulnerable children in which the disease can thrive. Some of them believe vaccination is linked to autism, due to a study published years ago in Lancet and subsequently debunked (it was created from falsified data). Others just believe there's no need. And a few object to the expense and/or big pharma.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 22:05:22 GMT -5
I hadn't heard about polio returning. In the 50's, the threat was very real, I recall my parents taking us to local school for free vaccinations. As I recall the serum was taken orally, on a sugar cube. Yes, that's how I received it. There's a subculture of people who believe all vaccinations (even those with long track records and that protect against crippling diseases) are bad. These people, by evading vaccination in various ways, are creating a reservoir of vulnerable children in which the disease can thrive. Some of them believe vaccination is linked to autism, due to a study published years ago in Lancet and subsequently debunked (it was created from falsified data). Others just believe there's no need. And a few object to the expense and/or big pharma. Excellent post. As you stated elsewhere, the science of immunology is fascinating.
I'm amazed at the history of penicillin, a mold that was discovered on a slice of stale bread. (or so the story goes.) However that mold was developed into an antibiotic that has saved millions of lives.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 24, 2014 23:21:36 GMT -5
EBOLA REACHES CONCRETE JUNGLE... MANDATORY QUARANTINE NY/NJ
newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/24/new-york-new-jersey-set-up-mandatory-quarantine-requirement-amid-ebola-threat/
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