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Post by aponderer on Mar 30, 2015 2:12:37 GMT -5
By testing dog excrement for DNA, and hitting pet owners in their pocketbook who don't clean up their pet's doodoo. Story hereGood idea? |
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Post by Cowboyz on Mar 30, 2015 9:10:56 GMT -5
Many HOA's and condos are moving towards this. I've seen a few presentations at seminars I have attended. As reported by customers, it is useful and it does work.
I think it's costly for the HOA/condo and time consuming. As an HOA Manager, I am not interested in managing pets, registering pets and certainly not scheduling the DNA testing.
Why can't people just clean up after their pets??
I have pet stations on every street and we are putting in a dog park now.
It boils down to laziness. I have one homeowner that lets their dog go in their own yard and they never clean it up, it's gross. I'm glad he isn't walking his dog and letting him go all over the common areas. He will not cooperate so he is facing fines from the HOA and AA County.
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Post by aponderer on Mar 30, 2015 15:58:57 GMT -5
Many HOA's and condos are moving towards this. I've seen a few presentations at seminars I have attended. As reported by customers, it is useful and it does work. I think it's costly for the HOA/condo and time consuming. As an HOA Manager, I am not interested in managing pets, registering pets and certainly not scheduling the DNA testing. Why can't people just clean up after their pets?? I have pet stations on every street and we are putting in a dog park now. It boils down to laziness. I have one homeowner that lets their dog go in their own yard and they never clean it up, it's gross. I'm glad he isn't walking his dog and letting him go all over the common areas. He will not cooperate so he is facing fines from the HOA and AA County. Why don't people do a lot of things they're supposed to? I've also been on the Board (nearly 5 years) of an HOA, so I've seen both sides of the issues. Having been off the board for quite a few years now, the current "regime" is being led by a "professional" management company who couldn't find ones arsehole using both hands. Under this "leadership" the board invents rules that are not authorized by the Conditions, Covenants, and Restrictions and only selectively enforces rules that are in the CCRs. For example, in our townhouse community we don't have dumpsters. Trash is collected twice a week and recyclables are collected once a week. Some of the residents have absolutely no common sense and won't secure their refuse or recyclables. It's quite windy at times and often on trash days, so unsecured trash gets blown around, yet the HOA doesn't do anything about it except harass the victims of the numbsculled residents' failure to secure their trash if the victims do not pick up the litter immediately. I shall never buy into a residence ever again that is part of an HOA. As for the dog poop, I don't see why a city or town couldn't adopt pooper snooper regulations if enough people supported them. The cost of the program should be self-supporting by fees (such as an additional fee when the municipality issues dog tags). That way individual HOAs would not be saddled with the cost and labor. It would also be an inducement to dog owners not to let their pets roam (our County has leash laws, yet sometimes dog owners let their dogs roam). |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 30, 2015 17:52:35 GMT -5
The problem I have with HOAs is that it's too easy to change the regulations, and all too often the people who end up in charge are tinpot dictators with delusions of godhood. When you've got a board of five people, any three of whom can make a new regulation, and there is no limit to what they can regulate, it gets tedious. The FCC finally had to put its foot down and tell HOAs they couldn't forbid satellite dishes.
If an HOA covenant was written in such a way that adding new regulations was extremely difficult, requiring a large supermajority of those affected, then they'd be tolerable. Because there are some things they do that neighborhoods need done; without some rules you'll sooner or later get the guy who blocks half the street with his racing trailer, the guy who never polices his dogs, or the guy whose yard is full of decaying machinery. Three houses down from where I used to live, the guy's yard looked like Fred Sanford's business. No HOA to tell him to clean it up. Didn't really bother me because I couldn't see it from my house, but I'll bet his neighbors loved it.
For DNA testing to work, the fine has to cover the costs of having it done. What's it cost to run DNA these days?
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Post by aponderer on Mar 31, 2015 0:36:54 GMT -5
The problem I have with HOAs is that it's too easy to change the regulations, and all too often the people who end up in charge are tinpot dictators with delusions of godhood. When you've got a board of five people, any three of whom can make a new regulation, and there is no limit to what they can regulate, it gets tedious. The FCC finally had to put its foot down and tell HOAs they couldn't forbid satellite dishes. If an HOA covenant was written in such a way that adding new regulations was extremely difficult, requiring a large supermajority of those affected, then they'd be tolerable. Because there are some things they do that neighborhoods need done; without some rules you'll sooner or later get the guy who blocks half the street with his racing trailer, the guy who never polices his dogs, or the guy whose yard is full of decaying machinery. Three houses down from where I used to live, the guy's yard looked like Fred Sanford's business. No HOA to tell him to clean it up. Didn't really bother me because I couldn't see it from my house, but I'll bet his neighbors loved it. For DNA testing to work, the fine has to cover the costs of having it done. What's it cost to run DNA these days? At least one of the articles I read on the issue quoted some costs. I forget the actual numbers, but I think one of them said an infraction could cost the dog owner about $600 in costs/fines. With our HOA, changing the CCRs requires a 75% the members (which is hard to get), then the new CCRs have to be recorded in the courthouse. Our HOA is about 15 years old and the CCRs have never been amended. I believe one poster, here, said that the HOA in his development was actually disbanded. I'd be all for that with our HOA but it would probably never happen because of the 75% vote requirement. IMHO the main disadvantage of a HOA is the possibility of getting the "people who end up in charge are tinpot dictators with delusions of godhood." One neighbor described the woman who is president of our HOA as "the Queen." |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Mar 31, 2015 11:05:24 GMT -5
and finding what the dog left in my yard, now on their front porch helps to
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:01:10 GMT -5
By testing dog excrement for DNA, and hitting pet owners in their pocketbook who don't clean up their pet's doodoo. Story hereGood idea? Hmm! What if the DNA comes back as fox doodoo, badger doodoo or some other critter doodoo?  |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 31, 2015 20:08:41 GMT -5
By testing dog excrement for DNA, and hitting pet owners in their pocketbook who don't clean up their pet's doodoo. Story hereGood idea? Hmm! What if the DNA comes back as fox doodoo, badger doodoo or some other critter doodoo? If the doodoo is bear doodoo and has some little bells in it, that probably means some hiker got eaten by the bear. Don't believe that myth about tying bells on your shoes while hiking in bear country to alert the bears so they run away...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:31:06 GMT -5
Hmm! What if the DNA comes back as fox doodoo, badger doodoo or some other critter doodoo? If the doodoo is bear doodoo and has some little bells in it, that probably means some hiker got eaten by the bear. Don't believe that myth about tying bells on your shoes while hiking in bear country to alert the bears so they run away... But... but... but...who's gonna pay for the DNA tests, Goldilocks? |
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Post by aponderer on Mar 31, 2015 21:00:28 GMT -5
If the doodoo is bear doodoo and has some little bells in it, that probably means some hiker got eaten by the bear. Don't believe that myth about tying bells on your shoes while hiking in bear country to alert the bears so they run away... But... but... but...who's gonna pay for the DNA tests, Goldilocks? I suspect there aren't too many foxes, badgers, or other critters pooping on the sidewalks or lawns in developments over here. Now deer droppings are another matter. If one has hosta, or tulips (in the Spring) that's an invitation for deer to thank one with droppings. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 21:06:17 GMT -5
But... but... but...who's gonna pay for the DNA tests, Goldilocks? I suspect there aren't too many foxes, badgers, or other critters pooping on the sidewalks or lawns in developments over here. Now deer droppings are another matter. If one has hosta, or tulips (in the Spring) that's an invitation for deer to thank one with droppings. Okay, who's gonna pay for the deers DNA tests then, Santa?  |
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Post by aponderer on Apr 1, 2015 5:31:32 GMT -5
I suspect there aren't too many foxes, badgers, or other critters pooping on the sidewalks or lawns in developments over here. Now deer droppings are another matter. If one has hosta, or tulips (in the Spring) that's an invitation for deer to thank one with droppings. Okay, who's gonna pay for the deers DNA tests then, Santa? Nobody is going to submit deer droppings for DNA testing under the dog DNA program. Only fools confuse deer droppings with dog doodoo, and if someone insists on testing the deer droppings for DNA, that someone will have to pay for it. I'll wager even you know the difference between, say, the scat of red deer, and, say, the doodoo from a beagle or a foxhound, Scrooge. Anyroad, the dog DNA program is about dog DNA, not fox, badger, cat, deer, rabbit, mouse, or pigeon, etc. DNA. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 6:19:25 GMT -5
Okay, who's gonna pay for the deers DNA tests then, Santa? Nobody is going to submit deer droppings for DNA testing under the dog DNA program. Only fools confuse deer droppings with dog doodoo, and if someone insists on testing the deer droppings for DNA, that someone will have to pay for it. I'll wager even you know the difference between, say, the scat of red deer, and, say, the doodoo from a beagle or a foxhound, Scrooge. Anyroad, the dog DNA program is about dog DNA, not fox, badger, cat, deer, rabbit, mouse, or pigeon, etc. DNA. Scrooge? How very dare you! If my deer, rabbit, mouse or pigeon crapped on your front lawn, I would happily remove it,just as I do pick up after my own beagle. I bet most here wouldn't know the difference between a fox and a beagle poo, I do, I can smell it from yards away and often do, my beagle, like all hounds, likes to roll in it at every opportunity. Scrooge? You have me confused sir, I neither have the name 'How are we going to pay' nor espouse or uphold such tight-fisted, mean, skinflinted characteristics.  |
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Post by shutout on Apr 1, 2015 19:54:58 GMT -5
I think it is a stupid idea.Sort of overkill about a few turds.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 4, 2015 22:35:47 GMT -5
I used to use a shovel and flip the waste back onto the lawn of the old man whose dog was leaving it. Then one day I caught the guy walking across my lawn and letting his dog defecate there, and I read him the riot act over it. The problem ended then.
People are often inconsiderate. Not raised right, I guess.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 4, 2015 22:37:46 GMT -5
I think it is a stupid idea.Sort of overkill about a few turds. It's easy to be mellow until you step in the stuff, don't realize it right away, and track it into your house. Dogs leave waste behind, it is the owner's responsibility to remove it. An owner who behaves any other way is inconsiderate. |
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Post by shutout on Apr 4, 2015 23:11:58 GMT -5
That's true but the process described is overkill. I have never stepped in dog stuff and not known that.
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Post by shutout on Apr 4, 2015 23:18:32 GMT -5
I used to use a shovel and flip the waste back onto the lawn of the old man whose dog was leaving it. Then one day I caught the guy walking across my lawn and letting his dog defecate there, and I read him the riot act over it. The problem ended then. People are often inconsiderate. Not raised right, I guess. Exactly. Talk to the person before big money is spent on a process that is not needed. I had a neighbor approach me about some logs in my side yard. I didn't get them cut up right away and he was selling his house. It distracted from his property. He was correct, and I was wrong. I took care of the problem. |
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Post by aponderer on Apr 5, 2015 3:18:21 GMT -5
I used to use a shovel and flip the waste back onto the lawn of the old man whose dog was leaving it. Then one day I caught the guy walking across my lawn and letting his dog defecate there, and I read him the riot act over it. The problem ended then. People are often inconsiderate. Not raised right, I guess. Exactly. Talk to the person before big money is spent on a process that is not needed. I had a neighbor approach me about some logs in my side yard. I didn't get them cut up right away and he was selling his house. It distracted from his property. He was correct, and I was wrong. I took care of the problem. True, but that works if only you know whose dog did it... In our neighborhood, our HOA pays a grounds maintenance company to cut all the homeowners' grass. When the mower runs over doodoo, it's like it hitting the fan... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 9:01:12 GMT -5
I used to use a shovel and flip the waste back onto the lawn of the old man whose dog was leaving it. Then one day I caught the guy walking across my lawn and letting his dog defecate there, and I read him the riot act over it. The problem ended then. People are often inconsiderate. Not raised right, I guess. If I was that anal about dogs defecating on my lawn/yard/property as that, I think that I would erect a small picket fence around it. Or do what you finally did in confronting the owner of the dog, but by knocking on his door and speaking to him. What I would not have done is put the doodoo on his lawn, that is most likely just going to end up as a shi doodoo slinging 'war'. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 5, 2015 9:48:10 GMT -5
If I was that anal about dogs defecating on my lawn/yard/property as that, Heh... anal... heh... The problem is, that tracking scenario I mentioned in my other post? Actually happened to me. In that particular case the guy's dog had defecated on my sidewalk. In the twilight I missed it, and had a lot of carpet cleaning to do. There's no reason why someone who does not own a dog should ever have to deal with dog feces. A responsible dog owner understands this. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 10:42:49 GMT -5
If I was that anal about dogs defecating on my lawn/yard/property as that, Heh... anal... heh... The problem is, that tracking scenario I mentioned in my other post? Actually happened to me. In that particular case the guy's dog had defecated on my sidewalk. In the twilight I missed it, and had a lot of carpet cleaning to do. There's no reason why someone who does not own a dog should ever have to deal with dog feces. A responsible dog owner understands this.Absolutely, and as a responsible dog owner I couldn't agree with you more. My dog is always on a leash unless in my own walled garden, in a park or in the countryside. My rule is if I can get to it, I will clean it up. I always carry poo bags with me, many is the time that I have whipped one out in error for a handkerchief. |
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Post by aponderer on Apr 5, 2015 11:47:18 GMT -5
Heh... anal... heh... The problem is, that tracking scenario I mentioned in my other post? Actually happened to me. In that particular case the guy's dog had defecated on my sidewalk. In the twilight I missed it, and had a lot of carpet cleaning to do. There's no reason why someone who does not own a dog should ever have to deal with dog feces. A responsible dog owner understands this.Absolutely, and as a responsible dog owner I couldn't agree with you more. My dog is always on a leash unless in my own walled garden, in a park or in the countryside. My rule is if I can get to it, I will clean it up. I always carry poo bags with me, many is the time that I have whipped one out in error for a handkerchief. And I hope the converse is not true! |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Apr 5, 2015 13:06:02 GMT -5
I think it is a stupid idea.Sort of overkill about a few turds. We say the same thing about certain politicians lol |
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Post by brsunshine on Apr 6, 2015 9:44:26 GMT -5
In the house where I grew up, we had a neighbor across the street who had a beautiful Irish setter. The owner would let the dog out the front door and watch him cross the street to poop on our front lawn. My parents had asked the neighbor many times to keep his dog out of our yard, but he continued to let the dog run free. Then he got a pickup that he adored. He washed that truck every weekend. After asking him yet again to keep his dog out of our yard, my mom had enough. She scooped up the dog's last gift to us, put it in a paper bag and left it on the hood of the pickup with a note that said, "The next time it won't be in a bag." We never saw the dog poop in our yard again.
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