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Post by bobloblaw on May 30, 2017 11:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 11:35:27 GMT -5
That kook is hearing 'voices' in his head, he should be locked up before his Lord tells him to go and shoot somebody.
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Post by bobloblaw on May 30, 2017 11:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 30, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5
This kind of thing, and the fact that they think they can mistreat people as they like and are above the law. If you read a Bible, you'll find it says a lot of things that religions simply ignore. Whatever the truth of God, or gods, existence might be, religions and the people who run them just aren't good for us.
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Post by Ranger John on May 30, 2017 18:47:06 GMT -5
As a private aircraft owner, who gets to choose whether or not to fly the airlines and have my ass kicked or molested by security, or fly myself, I completely understand their argument.
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 30, 2017 19:00:03 GMT -5
As a private aircraft owner, who gets to choose whether or not to fly the airlines and have my ass kicked or molested by security, or fly myself, I completely understand their argument. I can understand why they want them. I'd like my own private jet, too. But the fact is that a lot of people give them money who can't really afford to give it, thinking they're making responsible use of it to help others. And they're not. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 30, 2017 19:13:45 GMT -5
As a private aircraft owner, who gets to choose whether or not to fly the airlines and have my ass kicked or molested by security, or fly myself, I completely understand their argument. I can understand why they want them. I'd like my own private jet, too. But the fact is that a lot of people give them money who can't really afford to give it, thinking they're making responsible use of it to help others. And they're not. Well, there you go. Just because they're the modern version of PT Barnum, and people are stupid enough to send them money... It's not their fault there's a sucker born every minute, and the only thing they're good at is scamming people. Sure, in a just world, they'd be thrown in holes and forgotten. But this isn't a just world. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 30, 2017 21:43:54 GMT -5
Well, there you go. Just because they're the modern version of PT Barnum, and people are stupid enough to send them money... It's not their fault there's a sucker born every minute, and the only thing they're good at is scamming people. Just because it's possible to take advantage of people, doesn't mean it's ethical to do so. And if anyone should understand that, it is men and women who are well-versed in the Bible, as preachers ought to be. There have been times I could have taken advantage of people because I understood the value of a thing better than they clearly did. I chose not to. These people ought to choose likewise. They ought to be more ethical than the average person, not less, as they clearly are. |
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Post by kemmer on May 30, 2017 23:07:03 GMT -5
Ah, televangelists living the high life... Don't they just make you want to believe in Judgment Day and the flames of hell? And want to be there to watch them cast down?  |
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Post by Ranger John on May 31, 2017 8:06:20 GMT -5
Well, there you go. Just because they're the modern version of PT Barnum, and people are stupid enough to send them money... It's not their fault there's a sucker born every minute, and the only thing they're good at is scamming people. Just because it's possible to take advantage of people, doesn't mean it's ethical to do so. And if anyone should understand that, it is men and women who are well-versed in the Bible, as preachers ought to be. There have been times I could have taken advantage of people because I understood the value of a thing better than they clearly did. I chose not to. These people ought to choose likewise. They ought to be more ethical than the average person, not less, as they clearly are.They very clearly are vermin. They don't really try to hide it. I haven't the slightest idea why people send them money. Except that some people apparently think that it is good to do so, and that they have reached that conclusion of their own free will. I find televangelists repugnant, and I would do more good with their money than they do. But it's not my place to be a moral scold to people I disagree with. |
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Post by Cowboyz on May 31, 2017 9:25:18 GMT -5
As a private aircraft owner, who gets to choose whether or not to fly the airlines and have my ass kicked or molested by security, or fly myself, I completely understand their argument. Really? This is a crap response by them to get people off of their backs about lavish spending. They are taking advantage of people that believe so deeply in God that they fall for these self fulfilling scam artists. |
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Post by Ranger John on May 31, 2017 13:44:22 GMT -5
As a private aircraft owner, who gets to choose whether or not to fly the airlines and have my ass kicked or molested by security, or fly myself, I completely understand their argument. Really? This is a crap response by them to get people off of their backs about lavish spending. They are taking advantage of people that believe so deeply in God that they fall for these self fulfilling scam artists. No arguments here. These guys are scum. People ought to know better than to send them money. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on May 31, 2017 19:26:32 GMT -5
No arguments here. These guys are scum. People ought to know better than to send them money. People ought to know better than to do a lot of things. People are fallible, not perfect. As I've said, the fact that it's possible to take advantage of someone does not make it right. The thing that started me down the path to losing respect for religion was the large number of vile people who attended the church I did growing up. There was a used car salesman who misrepresented his products. Several other dodgy salesmen in home repair and improvement trades. A serial check-kiter. And they'd come to church every Sunday and basically ignore its lessons. All of these people took advantage in situations where they could and apparently felt no remorse for doing so. We're routinely told, by your political party, that we've become an immoral society. We - society - should denounce such men, not wave our hands and pretend that what they do is any part of their victims' fault. |
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Post by Cowboyz on Jun 1, 2017 8:09:24 GMT -5
No arguments here. These guys are scum. People ought to know better than to send them money. People ought to know better than to do a lot of things. People are fallible, not perfect. As I've said, the fact that it's possible to take advantage of someone does not make it right. The thing that started me down the path to losing respect for religion was the large number of vile people who attended the church I did growing up. There was a used car salesman who misrepresented his products. Several other dodgy salesmen in home repair and improvement trades. A serial check-kiter. And they'd come to church every Sunday and basically ignore its lessons. All of these people took advantage in situations where they could and apparently felt no remorse for doing so. We're routinely told, by your political party, that we've become an immoral society. We - society - should denounce such men, not wave our hands and pretend that what they do is any part of their victims' fault. I have very similar experiences and reasons for leaving the church. It makes me sick that so many of these immoral people believe that by attending church the ick is washed away and they can continue doing what they do. To them appearance is more important than doing the right thing. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 1, 2017 9:37:49 GMT -5
No arguments here. These guys are scum. People ought to know better than to send them money. People ought to know better than to do a lot of things. People are fallible, not perfect. As I've said, the fact that it's possible to take advantage of someone does not make it right. Of course it doesn't make it right. But you, and I and the law can't stop gullible people from willingly sending their own money to charlitans. Or maybe we can. I'm going to try to save everyone. How's about you sending me say $20,000 to buy a faster airplane so I can save more people faster?  That's funny. The thing that started me down the path to losing respect for organized religion was the fact that most religious services look like a choreographed song and dance sketch, with a pablum-style lecture in the middle. Sit now, stand now, kneel now, sing this hymn, all while reading along in a book. NO ONE, con-man or not, seemed to put any actual thought into what they were reading and saying. Some people find comfort in it because it's a habit, and a consistent thread in their lives. Most religious leaders really are in it for the right reasons, and it helps pull the community together. I just personally find it disturbing to be in a big room full of what seem like zombies especially when the event I'm there for is boring. The fact that some of them (both leaders and followers) are con-artists, or other crooks is kinda a BS reason to knock religion. When I go to an Oriole's game, I'm sharing that stadium with con-artists and crooks too (including probably the owner who also suckers people for money to fund his private jet). That's not a reason to abandon a baseball team that helps unite a community. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jun 1, 2017 14:18:11 GMT -5
The fact that some of them (both leaders and followers) are con-artists, or other crooks is kinda a BS reason to knock religion. When I go to an Oriole's game, I'm sharing that stadium with con-artists and crooks too (including probably the owner who also suckers people for money to fund his private jet). That's not a reason to abandon a baseball team that helps unite a community. But those people aren't there for moral guidance. They're not there to be absolved of the wrongs some of them are guilty of committing. In church, people are there to learn morals and/or be forgiven their sins as long as they are genuinely repentant and honestly do not wish to sin again. So the two gatherings aren't analogous. I find that religious gatherings, and religion, are poor teachers of morals. I do not know what would be a better teacher. Maybe decent parents? Maybe some people are just rotten from the day they're born, and will walk through life damaging others in various ways. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 1, 2017 14:36:40 GMT -5
The fact that some of them (both leaders and followers) are con-artists, or other crooks is kinda a BS reason to knock religion. When I go to an Oriole's game, I'm sharing that stadium with con-artists and crooks too (including probably the owner who also suckers people for money to fund his private jet). That's not a reason to abandon a baseball team that helps unite a community. But those people aren't there for moral guidance. They're not there to be absolved of the wrongs some of them are guilty of committing. In church, people are there to learn morals and/or be forgiven their sins as long as they are genuinely repentant and honestly do not wish to sin again. So the two gatherings aren't analogous. I find that religious gatherings, and religion, are poor teachers of morals. I do not know what would be a better teacher. Maybe decent parents? Maybe some people are just rotten from the day they're born, and will walk through life damaging others in various ways. Well, morals aren't a constant are they? Your typical vegan would think I'm a monster. I think vegans are moral preeners, and only think what they think because they're too alkaline. Lol. I agree that church/synagogue/mosque frequently isn't an appropriate place to learn morals. Nor are schools. And some are nothing more than rat nests of hate and evil. When raising children, parents need to be very careful about religion and schooling. Some pass their immorality along to their kids too. It's not a problem we have an easy, viable solution for. Church is an ATTEMPT to address the problem. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail. Because they sometimes fail, doesn't mean the attempts should stop. |
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