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Post by Ravenchamp on Dec 15, 2013 12:27:18 GMT -5
GOOD GUY WITH A GUN: Armed school officer stopped Arapahoe High School shooting Authorities are dramatically revising the response time of law enforcement officers to the Arapahoe High School shooting on Friday. Originally, it was claimed by multiple outlets that responding law enforcement agencies took 14 minutes to arrive at the school, and that the shooter was not located until 30 minutes into the event. As we noted based on this information, this proves that schools need armed staffers and/or faculty on campus because it takes far too long for outside law enforcement agencies to respond to stop an active shooter. It now appears that our original thesis was confirmed because there was an armed officer on campus who was the reason the shooter was stopped after only shooting one student.They are now stating that the entire incident was over in just 80 seconds because there was an armed sheriff’s deputy on staff who was alerted over the school’s radio system, who cornered the shooter in the library. It now appears that once the shooter heard the deputy identify himself as a law enforcement agent, he committed suicide.
The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said. Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.” The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. “We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.” He praised the deputy’s response as “a critical element to the shooter’s decision” to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. “He went to the thunder,” he said. “He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe.” Tell us again, gun grabbers, that a good guy with a gun is not the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun.As Alex Rawls of Errortheory noted in his riveting remake of the Moms Demand gun control ad: What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended? Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Moms Demand Action, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and other members of the citizen control cults can’t and won’t answer that question, of course. Put armed guards in schools, or allow faculty and staff to become trained and carry their own arms. There is no other viable immediate solution to deterring armed violence in schools. bearingarms.com/good-guy-with-a-gun-armed-school-officer-stopped-arapahoe/ |
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Dec 15, 2013 14:09:50 GMT -5
It's just as important to note that, this guy who did the shooting, bought the gun legally, with no questions asked, a week before the shooting?
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Post by aponderer on Dec 15, 2013 14:56:06 GMT -5
It's just as important to note that, this guy who did the shooting, bought the gun legally, with no questions asked, a week before the shooting? How do you know there were no questions asked? Have you ever filled out a federal Form 4473? If so, did you answer all those questions on the form? And what questions do you think could've been asked that would've prevented this shooting? Even the local law enforcement stated that there were no red flags that could've predicted the student would snap. The student bought the gun legally, thus had to answer the questions on the 4473 form. |
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Post by husagafella on Dec 15, 2013 15:17:17 GMT -5
GOOD GUY WITH A GUN: Armed school officer stopped Arapahoe High School shooting Authorities are dramatically revising the response time of law enforcement officers to the Arapahoe High School shooting on Friday. Originally, it was claimed by multiple outlets that responding law enforcement agencies took 14 minutes to arrive at the school, and that the shooter was not located until 30 minutes into the event. As we noted based on this information, this proves that schools need armed staffers and/or faculty on campus because it takes far too long for outside law enforcement agencies to respond to stop an active shooter. It now appears that our original thesis was confirmed because there was an armed officer on campus who was the reason the shooter was stopped after only shooting one student.They are now stating that the entire incident was over in just 80 seconds because there was an armed sheriff’s deputy on staff who was alerted over the school’s radio system, who cornered the shooter in the library. It now appears that once the shooter heard the deputy identify himself as a law enforcement agent, he committed suicide. The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said. Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.” The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. “We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.” He praised the deputy’s response as “a critical element to the shooter’s decision” to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. “He went to the thunder,” he said. “He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe.” Tell us again, gun grabbers, that a good guy with a gun is not the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun.As Alex Rawls of Errortheory noted in his riveting remake of the Moms Demand gun control ad: What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended? Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Moms Demand Action, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and other members of the citizen control cults can’t and won’t answer that question, of course. Put armed guards in schools, or allow faculty and staff to become trained and carry their own arms. There is no other viable immediate solution to deterring armed violence in schools. bearingarms.com/good-guy-with-a-gun-armed-school-officer-stopped-arapahoe/What a great story. Thanks Champ. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 16:32:48 GMT -5
GOOD GUY WITH A GUN: Armed school officer stopped Arapahoe High School shooting Authorities are dramatically revising the response time of law enforcement officers to the Arapahoe High School shooting on Friday. Originally, it was claimed by multiple outlets that responding law enforcement agencies took 14 minutes to arrive at the school, and that the shooter was not located until 30 minutes into the event. As we noted based on this information, this proves that schools need armed staffers and/or faculty on campus because it takes far too long for outside law enforcement agencies to respond to stop an active shooter. It now appears that our original thesis was confirmed because there was an armed officer on campus who was the reason the shooter was stopped after only shooting one student.They are now stating that the entire incident was over in just 80 seconds because there was an armed sheriff’s deputy on staff who was alerted over the school’s radio system, who cornered the shooter in the library. It now appears that once the shooter heard the deputy identify himself as a law enforcement agent, he committed suicide. The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said. Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.” The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. “We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.” He praised the deputy’s response as “a critical element to the shooter’s decision” to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. “He went to the thunder,” he said. “He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe.” Tell us again, gun grabbers, that a good guy with a gun is not the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun.As Alex Rawls of Errortheory noted in his riveting remake of the Moms Demand gun control ad: What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended? Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Moms Demand Action, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and other members of the citizen control cults can’t and won’t answer that question, of course. Put armed guards in schools, or allow faculty and staff to become trained and carry their own arms. There is no other viable immediate solution to deterring armed violence in schools. bearingarms.com/good-guy-with-a-gun-armed-school-officer-stopped-arapahoe/Good thing they were there. 911 is minutes away- when seconds count. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 16:34:18 GMT -5
It's just as important to note that, this guy who did the shooting, bought the gun legally, with no questions asked, a week before the shooting? He skipped background checks? If purchased legally, highly unlikely. This is why gun control laws will never stop all shootings. And why armed security is necessary to truly protect vulnerable people and places. |
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Dec 15, 2013 16:50:46 GMT -5
It's just as important to note that, this guy who did the shooting, bought the gun legally, with no questions asked, a week before the shooting? He skipped background checks? If purchased legally, highly unlikely. This is why gun control laws will never stop all shootings. And why armed security is necessary to truly protect vulnerable people and places. Pardon me. Not enough questions asked. It goes to show that background checks are too easy to pass. Any nut can get a gun as long as there is no documentation of him or her already being one. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Dec 15, 2013 16:57:39 GMT -5
Calling for police in any violent attack will leave you injured or dead, the response time is the factor. Thank god for legal carry laws for those that can protect themselves and others.
Many lives were saved this day and many more will be saved if this continues with armed good guys on site.
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Post by aponderer on Dec 15, 2013 17:20:56 GMT -5
He skipped background checks? If purchased legally, highly unlikely. This is why gun control laws will never stop all shootings. And why armed security is necessary to truly protect vulnerable people and places. Pardon me. Not enough questions asked. It goes to show that background checks are too easy to pass. Any nut can get a gun as long as there is no documentation of him or her already being one. I see you retracted your original contention that no questions were asked. However I asked what questions could be asked that would have prevented this shooting, to which you responded with "Not enough questions asked." So how many questions need to be asked (and what questions)? 25? 50? 100? As for background checks, what do you figure would be found in an extensive background check of this shooter that would have prohibited him from buying that shotgun? [I'm not holding my breath for a reasonable answer...]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:34:10 GMT -5
He skipped background checks? If purchased legally, highly unlikely. This is why gun control laws will never stop all shootings. And why armed security is necessary to truly protect vulnerable people and places. Pardon me. Not enough questions asked. It goes to show that background checks are too easy to pass. Any nut can get a gun as long as there is no documentation of him or her already being one. In a free nation, that is indeed the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:39:00 GMT -5
You know, they let any nut drive a car too- they just text for proficiency in driving and traffic law, as well as eyesight and, after a certain age in some states, a doctors OK. But no mental health or criminal check- yet it's a privilege, not a right, and more due from car accidents tan guns.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Dec 15, 2013 17:41:27 GMT -5
You know, they let any nut drive a car too- they just text for proficiency in driving and traffic law, as well as eyesight and, after a certain age in some states, a doctors OK. But no mental health or criminal check- yet it's a privilege, not a right, and more due from car accidents tan guns. Very true, this would equate to a mandatory driving test everytime we renew our driving license |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 18:31:44 GMT -5
You know, they let any nut drive a car too- they just text for proficiency in driving and traffic law, as well as eyesight and, after a certain age in some states, a doctors OK. But no mental health or criminal check- yet it's a privilege, not a right, and more due from car accidents tan guns. Very true, this would equate to a mandatory driving test everytime we renew our driving license Or.. We could stay free, and accept with freedom comes risks. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Dec 15, 2013 18:48:44 GMT -5
Very true, this would equate to a mandatory driving test everytime we renew our driving license Or.. We could stay free, and accept with freedom comes risks. agree, you can't fix stupid nor can you prevent 100% tragedy, ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 18:59:39 GMT -5
Or.. We could stay free, and accept with freedom comes risks. agree, you can't fix stupid nor can you prevent 100% tragedy, ever. All you can do is ask for a fighting chance. Yet there are those that want to deny us that right- and many have already done do to the extent they are able. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Dec 15, 2013 19:55:20 GMT -5
The leaders in America protect criminals more than it's own law abiding citizens, but that won't be accepted and it's changing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:42:56 GMT -5
The leaders in America protect criminals more than it's own law abiding citizens, but that won't be accepted and it's changing. Doing law enforcement- yes, as civilian, but building evidence, interviewing and subpoenaing witnesses, conducting legal warrantless searches of homes and medical records, filing petitions in court with civil charges- what else would you call it? - I have no problem with the burden on me to really prove my case, and for the courts giving me the business if I bring a less than plausible case before them. We are a free society in theory- it should be hard for the government to act. But when the government disarms me, and when it convicts violent criminals and simply releases them-- it has failed in protecting the rights of innocent citizens in favor of those that are criminal. |
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Dec 16, 2013 1:41:01 GMT -5
You know, they let any nut drive a car too- they just text for proficiency in driving and traffic law, as well as eyesight and, after a certain age in some states, a doctors OK. But no mental health or criminal check- yet it's a privilege, not a right, and more due from car accidents tan guns. Very true, this would equate to a mandatory driving test everytime we renew our driving license I think that would be a great idea. Have you seen the way some older people drive? |
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Post by aponderer on Dec 16, 2013 3:55:10 GMT -5
Very true, this would equate to a mandatory driving test everytime we renew our driving license I think that would be a great idea. Have you seen the way some older people drive? Yes, but I don't think I've ever seen older people texting while driving... And I'm still not holding my breath waiting to hear what and how many additional questions you think need to be asked of folks legally obtaining firearms... |
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