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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 11:10:06 GMT -5
A lecture by New York City Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly scheduled for Tuesday afternoon was canceled after protesters halted Kelly’s speech and would not yield the floor.
Controversy preceded the talk — titled, “Proactive Policing in America’s Biggest City” — due to its speaker’s staunch support for the contentious stop-and-frisk policy. The event was presented by the Taubman Center for Public Policy and American Institutions as part of the Noah Krieger ’93 Memorial Lecture series......
Protesters reacted vocally to mentions of Kelly and his policies throughout Orr’s introduction. When Kelly himself took the stage, protesters’ boos mixed with applause. As soon as he began to speak, many protesters stood with their fists in the air and began shouting in unison, after which neither Kelly nor Vice President for Campus Life and Student Services Margaret Klawunn and Vice President for Public Affairs and University Relations Marisa Quinn — two administrators present — could regain control of the auditorium.
....“Our goal was for the lecture to be canceled from the beginning,” said Irene Rojas-Carroll ’15, one of the mobilizers behind the protest. Rojas-Carroll previously told The Herald she felt there was no format in which Kelly would be an appropriate speaker at Brown.www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/30/brown-university-s-campus-liberals-vs-free-speech.html
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 31, 2013 11:18:11 GMT -5
A lecture by New York City Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly scheduled for Tuesday afternoon was canceled after protesters halted Kelly’s speech and would not yield the floor.
Controversy preceded the talk — titled, “Proactive Policing in America’s Biggest City” — due to its speaker’s staunch support for the contentious stop-and-frisk policy. The event was presented by the Taubman Center for Public Policy and American Institutions as part of the Noah Krieger ’93 Memorial Lecture series......
Protesters reacted vocally to mentions of Kelly and his policies throughout Orr’s introduction. When Kelly himself took the stage, protesters’ boos mixed with applause. As soon as he began to speak, many protesters stood with their fists in the air and began shouting in unison, after which neither Kelly nor Vice President for Campus Life and Student Services Margaret Klawunn and Vice President for Public Affairs and University Relations Marisa Quinn — two administrators present — could regain control of the auditorium.
....“Our goal was for the lecture to be canceled from the beginning,” said Irene Rojas-Carroll ’15, one of the mobilizers behind the protest. Rojas-Carroll previously told The Herald she felt there was no format in which Kelly would be an appropriate speaker at Brown.www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/30/brown-university-s-campus-liberals-vs-free-speech.html Lovely to see the open expression of idea's in our universities. Way to go lefties.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 11:52:41 GMT -5
Holy cow. Yet you guys can go On and on and on about minorities, the poor, guns illegal aliens and abortions yet the fact you are losing important personal rights is a chance to knock lefties again? My god.... Hope yall keep losing elections.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 12:24:02 GMT -5
Holy cow. Yet you guys can go On and on and on about minorities, the poor, guns illegal aliens and abortions yet the fact you are losing important personal rights is a chance to knock lefties again? My god.... Hope yall keep losing elections. What?
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:28:56 GMT -5
Holy cow. Yet you guys can go On and on and on about minorities, the poor, guns illegal aliens and abortions yet the fact you are losing important personal rights is a chance to knock lefties again? My god.... Hope yall keep losing elections. What? Smaller words would help? Or ask an adult?
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 12:31:22 GMT -5
Smaller words would help? \ As would a coherent thought on your part-got one?
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:32:25 GMT -5
Smaller words would help? \ As would a coherent thought on your part-got one? What? Lol
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 31, 2013 12:34:22 GMT -5
I do not believe stop-and-frisk is Constitutional, and that is completely aside from its possibly selective implementation by the NYPD. However, the man should have been permitted to speak. Ms. Rojas-Carroll, ironically, does not understand the basic ideas this country was founded on any more than stop-and-frisk advocates do. She should be ashamed of herself, as should the rest of the mob there.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:36:21 GMT -5
I do not believe stop-and-frisk is Constitutional, and that is completely aside from its possibly selective implementation by the NYPD. However, the man should have been permitted to speak. I agree with ya. But the protesters are right on. Cops have way too much power. End the stupid stupid war on drugs! (And terror too while you are at it)
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 12:47:00 GMT -5
I do not believe stop-and-frisk is Constitutional, and that is completely aside from its possibly selective implementation by the NYPD. However, the man should have been permitted to speak. I agree with ya. But the protesters are right on. Cops have way too much power. End the stupid stupid war on drugs! (And terror too while you are at it)[/
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:49:31 GMT -5
I agree with ya. But the protesters are right on. Cops have way too much power. End the stupid stupid war on drugs! (And terror too while you are at it)[/No. I do what I feel like.
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Post by davo on Oct 31, 2013 13:20:54 GMT -5
Wait . . . the implication is that it's right wingers who have open minds?? Thanks for the laugh. Your base rejects science that runs afoul of its ideology. And then of course there's 'intelligent design.' Oil and water, indeed.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 31, 2013 13:25:21 GMT -5
People with strong ideologies have closed minds. That's pretty much the definition of strong ideology. In the modern era the difference between lefties and righties is more details than fundamentals.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:29:24 GMT -5
People with strong ideologies have closed minds. That's pretty much the definition of strong ideology. In the modern era the difference between lefties and righties is more details than fundamentals. It takes a very strong person to have strong opinions yet still be open minded. That doesn't seem to define people attracted to politics
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Post by davo on Oct 31, 2013 13:31:48 GMT -5
People with strong ideologies have closed minds. That's pretty much the definition of strong ideology. In the modern era the difference between lefties and righties is more details than fundamentals. That, right there, is a false equivalency. The 'strong ideology' of the Tea Party types is a sort of nihilism. No matter your bad opinion of the left, most of us aren't interested in blowing things or legislating morality.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:34:08 GMT -5
The tea party is the old neocons btw. Same folks. New cause! Lol
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 31, 2013 13:37:23 GMT -5
That, right there, is a false equivalency. The 'strong ideology' of the Tea Party types is a sort of nihilism. No matter your bad opinion of the left, most of us aren't interested in blowing things or legislating morality. Mr. Obama is dead set on his legacy of health care "reform" despite bungling it. His idea that government should be about giving things to Democratic voters isn't rooted in nihilism but in self-interest. However, the result will be the same. I agree you're not interested in legislating morality. You are interesting in using legislation to act as free adults' parents, however - telling them where they can smoke, what they can eat, what healthcare they have to have. That's hardly better.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:43:53 GMT -5
That, right there, is a false equivalency. The 'strong ideology' of the Tea Party types is a sort of nihilism. No matter your bad opinion of the left, most of us aren't interested in blowing things or legislating morality. Mr. Obama is dead set on his legacy of health care "reform" despite bungling it. His idea that government should be about giving things to Democratic voters isn't rooted in nihilism but in self-interest. However, the result will be the same. I agree you're not interested in legislating morality. You are interesting in using legislation to act as free adults' parents, however - telling them where they can smoke, what they can eat, what healthcare they have to have. That's hardly better. If national healthcare ends up working there will be plenty of Republicans on board just you wait
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 13:44:54 GMT -5
Wait . . . the implication is that it's right wingers who have open minds?? Thanks for the laugh. Your base rejects science that runs afoul of its ideology. And then of course there's 'intelligent design.' Oil and water, indeed. I don't see the right wing disrupting and shutting down speakers when they disagree-that's the purview of the left.....it's also curious that you don't disapprove of those actions.
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:45:39 GMT -5
Where you can smoke and what you can eat are two different things altogether. sadly smoke is indiscriminate.
No one has told me what to eat but the smoking ban does affect my life I hope they ban smoking in all public places it's not a right
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Post by douger on Oct 31, 2013 13:45:45 GMT -5
People with strong ideologies have closed minds. That's pretty much the definition of strong ideology. In the modern era the difference between lefties and righties is more details than fundamentals. That, right there, is a false equivalency. The 'strong ideology' of the Tea Party types is a sort of nihilism. No matter your bad opinion of the left, most of us aren't interested in blowing things or legislating morality. Most of the Tea Party members that I'm aware of aren't all that interested in morality issues either, though that's not going to stop you from Googling it to see how wrong you can prove me. The Tea Party members I can support are tired of the status quo that establishment pols from both sides fight strongly to protect. The Tea Party members that I can support are focused on cutting spending and our burgeoning debt. The Tea Party members I can support don't see playing nice with the old boys's club as a way to reach the goals the voters who sent them to Congress want them to reach. In somewhat less than polite circles, the American revolutionaries of the 18th and 19th centuries were seen as "terrorists."
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:47:01 GMT -5
Wait . . . the implication is that it's right wingers who have open minds?? Thanks for the laugh. Your base rejects science that runs afoul of its ideology. And then of course there's 'intelligent design.' Oil and water, indeed. I don't see the right wing disrupting and shutting down speakers when they disagree-that's the purview of the left.....it's also curious that you don't disapprove of those actions. Probably because you can't read. My job is not to sit here babysit you either go up and read the posts or just can it
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:48:08 GMT -5
That, right there, is a false equivalency. The 'strong ideology' of the Tea Party types is a sort of nihilism. No matter your bad opinion of the left, most of us aren't interested in blowing things or legislating morality. Most of the Tea Party members that I'm aware of aren't all that interested in morality issues either, though that's not going to stop you from Googling it to see how wrong you can prove me. The Tea Party members I can support are tired of the status quo that establishment pols from both sides fight strongly to protect. The Tea Party members that I can support are focused on cutting spending and our burgeoning debt. The Tea Party members I can support don't see playing nice with the old boys's club as a way to reach the goals the voters who sent them to Congress want them to reach. In somewhat less than polite circles, the American revolutionaries of the 18th and 19th centuries were seen as "terrorists." Holy cow. What a crock the tea party isn't interested in morality issues? Lol
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 13:49:12 GMT -5
I don't see the right wing disrupting and shutting down speakers when they disagree-that's the purview of the left.....it's also curious that you don't disapprove of those actions. Probably because you can't read. My job is not to sit here babysit you either go up and read the posts or just can it Poor baby What posts are you talking about?
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 13:50:24 GMT -5
I wonder if you asked any Native American that lived here what they would call the original American revolutionaries I imagine terrorists would be a kind word
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