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Post by Moses on Jan 21, 2014 13:04:33 GMT -5
Finish under 500 for the season, the fans should run Angelos out of town after this lame off-season. What a cheapskate!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 21, 2014 20:59:49 GMT -5
Well, they have Tillman, and after that no pitching. It seems like they're poised to begin another losing season streak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 21:24:39 GMT -5
In what passes for blockbuster news around the Warehouse these days, the Orioles will be working out righthander Brett Tomko on Friday.
Anytime you have a chance to sign a guy who will be 41 in April, hasn't pitched in the Majors since 2011, and posted a 4.65 ERA over 14 seasons, you have to do it.  |
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Post by douger on Jan 21, 2014 21:38:38 GMT -5
Is Buck in the last year of his contract? Stick a fork in him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 21:42:47 GMT -5
Is Buck in the last year of his contract? Stick a fork in him. No, he just signed an extension last year that runs through 2018. |
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Post by douger on Jan 21, 2014 21:46:08 GMT -5
Is Buck in the last year of his contract? Stick a fork in him. No, he just signed an extension last year that runs through 2018. I can't imagine a younger Buck putting up with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 21:51:12 GMT -5
No, he just signed an extension last year that runs through 2018. I can't imagine a younger Buck putting up with this. Well, maybe one day Buck can manage the Cubs. Their new mascot is getting some good "exposure." 
This is hysterical.
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Post by darave on Jan 22, 2014 15:03:04 GMT -5
Meanwhile the Yankee's just spent over 400 million in free agency and signed the top japenanese pitcher for 155 million.
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Jan 22, 2014 21:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Jan 22, 2014 21:31:10 GMT -5
Meanwhile the Yankee's just spent over 400 million in free agency and signed the top japenanese pitcher for 155 million. I get the idea that Peter Angelos is trying to prove to the world is signing free agents is stupid unfortunately for us orioles fans we are the recipients of that stupid idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 0:42:34 GMT -5
As soon as the arbitrator ruled on the A-Rod case, thus freeing the Yankees of their $25 million commitment to him for this season, I knew there was no way Tanaka was going to end up in any uniform other than the Yankees. The Cubs were reported to have been in until the very end as well, but I think the only reason they were still around was to be used as a bargaining chip by Tanaka's representatives to squeeze every last dollar out of the Yankees.
I never thought I'd entertain this thought, but I'm beginning to believe that there needs to be some sort of salary cap in baseball. Where exactly is the equity when the Yankees can binge on over $400 million worth of free agents this winter, while at the same time the Rays are compelled to shop their best pitcher because he'll soon be out of their price range? Before anyone states the obvious, I'm aware that hell will freeze over before the players association ever agrees to such a thing. And who can really blame them? The free agent contracts handed out this winter send a message as big as skywriting to the players that it's still raining money and all they need to do is bring a bucket.
As for Angelos, I have no idea where his or the Orioles financial situation currently stands. I did come across one recent article stating that Angelos had dropped out of Forbes list of billionaires in 2009 and has subsequently not returned to that list. It's also estimated that his investments outside the team dropped some 30 percent when the market tanked a few year ago. As for the Orioles, a June 2011 article in ESPN revealed that the Orioles were one of nine teams in violation of MLB's debt service rules. Forbes estimated the team's debt at 33 percent of its value, which at that time would have placed it at around $152 million. It's worth noting, however, that several other teams in violation at that time included the Dodgers, who have been acting like the West Coast's version of the Denver Mint, the Rangers, who recently gave Shin Soo Choo a mega free agent contract, and the Cubs, who despite over 100 years of futility, have never truly lacked for cash.
It may be that Angelos and the Orioles are asset rich, but cash poor, although I find that hard to believe. He may also be stuffing piles of c-notes under his bed every night. Whatever the case, by not acting in a proactive manner this offseason, the Orioles are wasting a golden window of opportunity to build on a nucleus that still needs a few pieces.
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Jan 24, 2014 15:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Jan 24, 2014 15:08:17 GMT -5
There's a lot of theories about the money. Seems like no one really knows. But often I say if there's smoke there's fire. I wonder. Remember Angelo's had a huge payroll at one point . What happened as he lost money since then?
And what about all the money he's lost since the Orioles became a bad team and their attendance went down. Attendance equals money income too.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 25, 2014 13:51:56 GMT -5
Angelos makes tons of money. He owns most of MASN.
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Post by zander on Jan 26, 2014 7:12:09 GMT -5
All I know is I's rather watch a bad baseball team play in Baltimore than not be able to watch any team playing there at all.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 26, 2014 12:33:53 GMT -5
All I know is I's rather watch a bad baseball team play in Baltimore than not be able to watch any team playing there at all. After years of watching bad teams, and remembering how the Orioles once were, I'd actually support them leaving if it meant they were going to an owner who would make them great again. No city deserves owners like Angelos or Snyder. No team deserves them. |
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Post by douger on Jan 28, 2014 19:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 23:54:27 GMT -5
Bronson Arroyo is still available and this is one guy I'd like to see the Orioles get. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's durable, he won't command a long-term contract, and he doesn't come with compensation attached. This guy could help the pitching staff, yet I haven't seen any indication that the Orioles are even attempting to get him. They'd rather have Burnett, who was a disaster the last time he pitched in the American League.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 30, 2014 13:02:18 GMT -5
I hope they believe they can grow starters in the minors, because they sure seem uninterested in paying for them. The problem with this is that you've got to spend money on quality evaluators, so your draft picks don't suck, and on quality minor league instructors to bring them to the show. Somewhere in there, the Orioles are failing regularly. They've had some spotty success, but so far none in pitching. We should know this year whether Gausman can pitch. Bundy still has a pick question mark next to him. Wada appears to be done. Except for Tillman, who'd be a number 1 a few places and a number 2 a few more, they've got no quality pitching. They've got some guys who can throw well for five or occasionally six innings, which leaves the bullpen exhausted by August or so. I see it as their biggest problem and the one they seem stubbornly disinterested in solving.
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