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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 27, 2013 7:55:56 GMT -5
Michelle Obama’s classmate a senior VP with company that created Healthcare.gov Not only did CGI Federal have a no-bid contract to build Obamacare’s HealthCare.gov website, The Daily Caller revealed that one of the company’s senior executives was a Princeton University classmate of first lady Michelle Obama. CGI was one of 16 companies qualified to provide services to the federal government, but its bid was the only one reviewed by the Department of Health and Human Services under a federal procurement loophole, the Washington Examiner reported earlier this month. www.bizpacreview.com/2013/10/26/michelle-obamas-classmate-a-senior-vp-with-company-that-created-healthcare-gov-85944The mostest honest admin ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 11:29:53 GMT -5
No results in inefficiency and incompetence better than no-bid nepotism.
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Post by Moses on Oct 27, 2013 14:28:43 GMT -5
No results in inefficiency and incompetence better than no-bid nepotism. I can think of a few |
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Post by Foggy Dewhurst on Oct 27, 2013 14:30:49 GMT -5
"Michelle Obama’s classmate a senior VP with company that created Healthcare.gov"
Gee, there's a surprise!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 27, 2013 15:52:46 GMT -5
They probably knew each other, since they belong to the same alumni association, but that's no guarantee of anything. It wants more before it's a case of nepotism.
He's a very bad president, and so nepotism wouldn't surprise me. It's a thing bad leaders often do. But there's no proof yet.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 27, 2013 16:01:34 GMT -5
she's as much a loser as her husband is
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 18:43:56 GMT -5
No results in inefficiency and incompetence better than no-bid nepotism. I can think of a few Then please enlighten us! Can't imagine no-bid nepotism leading to the best service, or the best deals. |
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Post by Moses on Oct 27, 2013 19:12:33 GMT -5
Then please enlighten us! Can't imagine no-bid nepotism leading to the best service, or the best deals. The relationship between corporate interests and our government . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 20:13:09 GMT -5
Then please enlighten us! Can't imagine no-bid nepotism leading to the best service, or the best deals. The relationship between corporate interests and our government . That is exactly what we're talking about. Business corrupting government, government corrupting business. Employ my relative in your corporation, you get the contract. Or my relative who is in your corporation gets the contract. Corporate kickbacks and special deals are part of the corrupting nepotism of our government. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 27, 2013 20:29:02 GMT -5
They probably knew each other, since they belong to the same alumni association, but that's no guarantee of anything. It wants more before it's a case of nepotism. He's a very bad president, and so nepotism wouldn't surprise me. It's a thing bad leaders often do. But there's no proof yet. The two women are members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni. Townes-Whitley is also a former employee of the General Accounting Office and served in the Peace Corps in Gabon, West Africa, according to The Daily Caller. Not proof of fire but it sure increases the smoke level. |
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 1:14:35 GMT -5
The relationship between corporate interests and our government . That is exactly what we're talking about. Business corrupting government, government corrupting business. Employ my relative in your corporation, you get the contract. Or my relative who is in your corporation gets the contract. Corporate kickbacks and special deals are part of the corrupting nepotism of our government. I thought you conservatives enjoyed the relationship. At least all your politicians you elect vote that way, repubs traditionally fight any limits. Just look at how all their judges they pick vote in these issues? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 7:16:11 GMT -5
That is exactly what we're talking about. Business corrupting government, government corrupting business. Employ my relative in your corporation, you get the contract. Or my relative who is in your corporation gets the contract. Corporate kickbacks and special deals are part of the corrupting nepotism of our government. I thought you conservatives enjoyed the relationship. At least all your politicians you elect vote that way, repubs traditionally fight any limits. Just look at how all their judges they pick vote in these issues? Democrats are far from slackers in that area. Look at MOM's business deals with Rocky Gap, downtown convention center, etc. Corporations are part of our society, and they are not inherently good or evil- up front lobbying by them that is transparent makes sense. They are part of economy and our society, just like every other organization. But under the table illegal deals and kickbacks to relatives and such- that's never OK. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 28, 2013 12:09:45 GMT -5
The thing that needs to change, and never will, is the ridiculous idea that a corporation should have the same rights as a living and breathing person. It is not such a person and is not entitled to any rights.
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:10:53 GMT -5
I thought you conservatives enjoyed the relationship. At least all your politicians you elect vote that way, repubs traditionally fight any limits. Just look at how all their judges they pick vote in these issues? Democrats are far from slackers in that area. Look at MOM's business deals with Rocky Gap, downtown convention center, etc. Corporations are part of our society, and they are not inherently good or evil- up front lobbying by them that is transparent makes sense. They are part of economy and our society, just like every other organization. But under the table illegal deals and kickbacks to relatives and such- that's never OK. Who was discussing democrats? Lol |
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:11:14 GMT -5
The thing that needs to change, and never will, is the ridiculous idea that a corporation should have the same rights as a living and breathing person. It is not such a person and is not entitled to any rights. Right on |
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:13:05 GMT -5
I thought you conservatives enjoyed the relationship. At least all your politicians you elect vote that way, repubs traditionally fight any limits. Just look at how all their judges they pick vote in these issues? Democrats are far from slackers in that area. Look at MOM's business deals with Rocky Gap, downtown convention center, etc. Corporations are part of our society, and they are not inherently good or evil- up front lobbying by them that is transparent makes sense. They are part of economy and our society, just like every other organization. But under the table illegal deals and kickbacks to relatives and such- that's never OK. What makes any corporation "evil" is whoever is running It. Not the idea itself. This is where we need to change. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 28, 2013 12:50:50 GMT -5
Democrats are far from slackers in that area. Look at MOM's business deals with Rocky Gap, downtown convention center, etc. Corporations are part of our society, and they are not inherently good or evil- up front lobbying by them that is transparent makes sense. They are part of economy and our society, just like every other organization. But under the table illegal deals and kickbacks to relatives and such- that's never OK. What makes any corporation "evil" is whoever is running It. Not the idea itself. This is where we need to change. Not really true, corporations can take a life of their own, I agree that you can have evil CEO's, and board members, but companies can also do evil things just by looking at short term goals. Another point is that in the old days corporations were actually run by someone who wanted to build a legacy, they put their name on the company. Now there really is no accountability, boards can do whatever they want the majority of stock holders do not even pay attention, they can do anything to inflate the stock prices so that they can cash out to unsuspecting stock buyers. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 28, 2013 12:53:49 GMT -5
People behave, in aggregate, in ways they would never behave by themselves. It's called "mob rule" and it can lead to horrors. That's why you have to be able to hold the leaders of a corporation responsible (fiscally and perhaps with confinement) for bad behavior even if they didn't directly commit it. That would happen in cases where the actual perpetrator isn't clear cut. You've got to give the leaders a powerful incentive to behave lawfully. Just as corporations can amplify productivity to beyond the sum of the parts, so can they amplify venality.
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:54:42 GMT -5
What makes any corporation "evil" is whoever is running It. Not the idea itself. This is where we need to change. Not really true, corporations can take a life of their own, I agree that you can have evil CEO's, and board members, but companies can also do evil things just by looking at short term goals. Another point is that in the old days corporations were actually run by someone who wanted to build a legacy, they put their name on the company. Now there really is no accountability, boards can do whatever they want the majority of stock holders do not even pay attention, they can do anything to inflate the stock prices so that they can cash out to unsuspecting stock buyers. CEOs and boards fall under the category of "running it"! |
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:57:24 GMT -5
People behave, in aggregate, in ways they would never behave by themselves. It's called "mob rule" and it can lead to horrors. That's why you have to be able to hold the leaders of a corporation responsible (fiscally and perhaps with confinement) for bad behavior even if they didn't directly commit it. That would happen in cases where the actual perpetrator isn't clear cut. You've got to give the leaders a powerful incentive to behave lawfully. Just as corporations can amplify productivity to beyond the sum of the parts, so can they amplify venality. There are corporations out there that take pride in their product, do not pollute, do not send jobs overseas. Do not waste resources. Do not treat employed like easily cast off fodder. They are where we need to go. Probably won't ever happen tho. Greed is rampant |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 28, 2013 12:59:19 GMT -5
People behave, in aggregate, in ways they would never behave by themselves. It's called "mob rule" and it can lead to horrors. That's why you have to be able to hold the leaders of a corporation responsible (fiscally and perhaps with confinement) for bad behavior even if they didn't directly commit it. That would happen in cases where the actual perpetrator isn't clear cut. You've got to give the leaders a powerful incentive to behave lawfully. Just as corporations can amplify productivity to beyond the sum of the parts, so can they amplify venality. The same should apply to government workers. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 28, 2013 13:00:10 GMT -5
Not really true, corporations can take a life of their own, I agree that you can have evil CEO's, and board members, but companies can also do evil things just by looking at short term goals. Another point is that in the old days corporations were actually run by someone who wanted to build a legacy, they put their name on the company. Now there really is no accountability, boards can do whatever they want the majority of stock holders do not even pay attention, they can do anything to inflate the stock prices so that they can cash out to unsuspecting stock buyers. CEOs and boards fall under the category of "running it"! Short term goal seeking isn't the same as evil |
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 13:03:03 GMT -5
People behave, in aggregate, in ways they would never behave by themselves. It's called "mob rule" and it can lead to horrors. That's why you have to be able to hold the leaders of a corporation responsible (fiscally and perhaps with confinement) for bad behavior even if they didn't directly commit it. That would happen in cases where the actual perpetrator isn't clear cut. You've got to give the leaders a powerful incentive to behave lawfully. Just as corporations can amplify productivity to beyond the sum of the parts, so can they amplify venality. The same should apply to government workers. Since we elect so any money people and lawyers into office why do you think the government itself had become a self interested entity? A business. Loaded with . With self interested employees. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 18:33:31 GMT -5
Democrats are far from slackers in that area. Look at MOM's business deals with Rocky Gap, downtown convention center, etc. Corporations are part of our society, and they are not inherently good or evil- up front lobbying by them that is transparent makes sense. They are part of economy and our society, just like every other organization. But under the table illegal deals and kickbacks to relatives and such- that's never OK. Who was discussing democrats? Lol If you're not, you're missing half the picture. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 18:35:00 GMT -5
People behave, in aggregate, in ways they would never behave by themselves. It's called "mob rule" and it can lead to horrors. That's why you have to be able to hold the leaders of a corporation responsible (fiscally and perhaps with confinement) for bad behavior even if they didn't directly commit it. That would happen in cases where the actual perpetrator isn't clear cut. You've got to give the leaders a powerful incentive to behave lawfully. Just as corporations can amplify productivity to beyond the sum of the parts, so can they amplify venality. That's why the US government is set up with checks and balances..that do things like allow a small group of people block government funding... |
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