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Post by Moses on Oct 27, 2013 18:59:54 GMT -5
Only if they attack Israel or any other US interest with chemical or nuclear weapons, then I support a nuclear strike on Iran without flinching. I support the destruction of their government 100% if they attack. Nuking....well, that's too far....I can't imagine using nukes on other humans unless they nuke us first....not that its any worse to die by bullets....just that using a nuke could start WWIII. Indiscriminate killing? Pretty crazy.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 20:07:43 GMT -5
I support the destruction of their government 100% if they attack. Nuking....well, that's too far....I can't imagine using nukes on other humans unless they nuke us first....not that its any worse to die by bullets....just that using a nuke could start WWIII. Indiscriminate killing? Pretty crazy..... Not indiscriminate- just kill their government. If they start it. Discriminate killing- fun and wholesome pastime for the whole family.
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Post by douger on Oct 28, 2013 7:28:37 GMT -5
Only if they attack Israel or any other US interest with chemical or nuclear weapons, then I support a nuclear strike on Iran without flinching. I flinch. Just a terrible thing to say so callously. Indeed. It's not like there won't be a price to pay for such callousness.
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Post by niamhaine on Oct 28, 2013 9:16:20 GMT -5
It's not just in the Middle East, two prime examples right off the top of my head are the Haitian and Japanese disasters. Those folks needed immediate help, get off your behinds and get there! Although I do agree we need to extract ourselves from the Middle East. Sadly, we're in too deep at this point. I don't think we're in too deep. It just takes a wake up call. Like, what the heck are we trying to accomplish? The fact there is no clear vision of victory should tell any person of intelligence this is a very bad "war". The disasters you mentioned are real and immediate. My "in too deep" statement was meant to say there is no easy way out of this mess, rather like sinking in the bog and waiting for someone to throw you a rope. The problem in the Middle East is that you are surrounded by fanatics, it's not just one country. Nations turned a somewhat blind eye in the past, while other nations secretly supplied those fanatics with nuclear power. At this point it's not so easy to grab your toys and go home without stirring up a hornet's nest that could very easily escalate to a nuclear world war level. Nothing would please me more than to see the US out of the Middle East mess. As far as power sources go, Europe has certainly been faster to pick up on wind and solar then the US and the bulk of their population drive smaller cars - large SUVs and pick-up trucks are rare. In Ireland your vehicle registration fee is based on the size and carbon output of your engine. That fee is quite hefty for large engine vehicles, close to 2,000 euro yearly. Some of their large sources of natural gas tapped into after WWII will be depleted within the next few years, so the search is on for other energy sources. The US needs to escalate tapping into our own energy sources. I have driven past many a wind turbine and have never seen birds bodies scattered on the ground nor caught on the blades.
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 11:39:30 GMT -5
The problem with the middle east is they probably react like any other normal country with foreign troops in its midst. Combined with their wacky conservative social views. And the fact they have oil. Add em up .
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 28, 2013 12:03:25 GMT -5
We cannot afford another war at this time. Add a war to the Obamacare costs and that just might be enough to cause another depression. Of course, Israel doesn't care if we destroy ourselves looking after her. Hopefully, our own leaders do.
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:09:43 GMT -5
We cannot afford another war at this time. Add a war to the Obamacare costs and that just might be enough to cause another depression. Of course, Israel doesn't care if we destroy ourselves looking after her. Hopefully, our own leaders do. Just the additional Obama costs? Really? So what happened before obamacare? I remember just recently a huge financial crash started way before obamacare was even implemented.
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Post by douger on Oct 28, 2013 12:42:08 GMT -5
We cannot afford another war at this time. Add a war to the Obamacare costs and that just might be enough to cause another depression. Of course, Israel doesn't care if we destroy ourselves looking after her. Hopefully, our own leaders do. Just the additional Obama costs? Really? So what happened before obamacare? I remember just recently a huge financial crash started way before obamacare was even implemented. 2008 is "just recently?"
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 12:44:42 GMT -5
Just the additional Obama costs? Really? So what happened before obamacare? I remember just recently a huge financial crash started way before obamacare was even implemented. 2008 is "just recently?" Ok nothing bad happened until obamacare started? Better?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 28, 2013 12:47:34 GMT -5
We cannot afford another war at this time. Add a war to the Obamacare costs and that just might be enough to cause another depression. Of course, Israel doesn't care if we destroy ourselves looking after her. Hopefully, our own leaders do. Just the additional Obama costs? Really? So what happened before obamacare? I remember just recently a huge financial crash started way before obamacare was even implemented. Obamacare is shifting insurance costs onto the government via subsidies. It's also shifting costs onto the young middle class, who do a lot of the spending that keeps the economy running. All that consumer activity comes from folks' discretionary income that will now be used to pay for other peoples' medical care. Surely you've read the news about how it is funded? It's not conservative sites that are reporting these things, but general sites like Reuters. I'll see if I can find some links when I have more time. Liberals like this law because more people get healthcare. What they're not going to like is the effect this will have on the economy, except the health insurance industry and the medical care industry - if you're in one of those fields you'll do well for the next little while. Don't blame us non-liberals if you're not in one of those fields and you didn't think through the consequences.
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Post by Moses on Oct 28, 2013 13:36:31 GMT -5
Just the additional Obama costs? Really? So what happened before obamacare? I remember just recently a huge financial crash started way before obamacare was even implemented. Obamacare is shifting insurance costs onto the government via subsidies. It's also shifting costs onto the young middle class, who do a lot of the spending that keeps the economy running. All that consumer activity comes from folks' discretionary income that will now be used to pay for other peoples' medical care. Surely you've read the news about how it is funded? It's not conservative sites that are reporting these things, but general sites like Reuters. I'll see if I can find some links when I have more time. Liberals like this law because more people get healthcare. What they're not going to like is the effect this will have on the economy, except the health insurance industry and the medical care industry - if you're in one of those fields you'll do well for the next little while. Don't blame us non-liberals if you're not in one of those fields and you didn't think through the consequences. Well how is one suppose to know real facts about this debate without all the yelling and screaming from the partisans involved ? I don't divide the world in liberals and non liberals anyway . It's not like I've sat down... Read the bill.... Then got into my time machine and saw failure. I think me, like you, don't really know much. You are going by your instincts about this. That is valid and fair but then it becomes more of an opinion not based in any fact.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 28, 2013 13:47:54 GMT -5
We cannot afford another war at this time. Add a war to the Obamacare costs and that just might be enough to cause another depression. Of course, Israel doesn't care if we destroy ourselves looking after her. Hopefully, our own leaders do. We have no leaders, only empty suits
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