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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 12:52:25 GMT -5
I notice you leave out Benghazi, where 4 Americans were murdered just to keep an election argument out of the limelight. I guess that's okay, since it was The Puppet that got them murdered. And Viet Nam was a Democrat fiasco. We could have easily won that conflict, but Democrats are far more interested in appearances at home than the lives of soldiers they have sent into harm's way. Your posts are always the same post over and over: puppet puppet puppet. Okay, puppet to who? Start with the NAZI George Soros. Then add in unions, enviroMarxists, and the proinfanticide crown, and you have an idea of who's puppet he is. |
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Post by niamhaine on Nov 9, 2013 13:36:14 GMT -5
I guess the guy is entitled to his opinion, but I'd like it to be quietly off in a corner somewhere. Difficult though it may be to sing, I love and embrace The Star Spangled Banner. IMHO, only the first stanza is sung at most sporting events, and since that basically covers being happy that the defenders survived the night- it is not sending a "war-mongering" message. The rest covers broken treaties and having to defend rights already won. As for the charity being supported, having supported and continuing to support the Wounded Warriors program, it's a charity, just like Breast Cancer, Good Will, and a ton of others. It helps wounded veterans. Kevin may feel that the charity and our anthem are too "military" for a civilian setting, but that really is up to the school administrators, the participants, and the spectators to decide. I have relatives who served, sacrificed, and in several cases, gave their lives from the Indian Wars through Vietnam (only exception: Spanish-American War). When I read the two letters one of my Revolutionary War ancestors wrote to the government pleading for the pension the soldiers were promised to sustain his 80 year old wife as he was very near death and she would have no means of income, it was very disturbing. She eventually got his pension 12 months before she died in 1824, he died in 1820. Also, an uncle who was in the front lines freeing the concentration camps and was in therapy for years from the atrocities that he witnessed. Just two examples off the top of my head- but bottom line, there have been a lot of sacrifices made by many people over the years for this country. So, personally, I do not appreciate snarky comments about who sacrificed what from those now skating along on what others fought for in the past. My two cents worth.....carry on!  |
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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 13:45:59 GMT -5
I guess the guy is entitled to his opinion, but I'd like it to be quietly off in a corner somewhere. Difficult though it may be to sing, I love and embrace The Star Spangled Banner. IMHO, only the first stanza is sung at most sporting events, and since that basically covers being happy that the defenders survived the night- it is not sending a "war-mongering" message. The rest covers broken treaties and having to defend rights already won. As for the charity being supported, having supported and continuing to support the Wounded Warriors program, it's a charity, just like Breast Cancer, Good Will, and a ton of others. It helps wounded veterans. Kevin may feel that the charity and our anthem are too "military" for a civilian setting, but that really is up to the school administrators, the participants, and the spectators to decide. I have relatives who served, sacrificed, and in several cases, gave their lives from the Indian Wars through Vietnam (only exception: Spanish-American War). When I read the two letters one of my Revolutionary War ancestors wrote to the government pleading for the pension the soldiers were promised to sustain his 80 year old wife as he was very near death and she would have no means of income, it was very disturbing. She eventually got his pension 12 months before she died in 1824, he died in 1820. Also, an uncle who was in the front lines freeing the concentration camps and was in therapy for years from the atrocities that he witnessed. Just two examples off the top of my head- but bottom line, there have been a lot of sacrifices made by many people over the years for this country. So, personally, I do not appreciate snarky comments about who sacrificed what from those now skating along on what others fought for in the past. My two cents worth.....carry on! May God grant a special place for your relatives. Especially during the Revolution, sacrifice was not just a throw away term. |
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Post by vosa on Nov 9, 2013 14:53:33 GMT -5
I do agree that war is not beautiful. What is beautiful are the sacrifices men and women do make to fight for our freedoms. In combat men & women do not fight for abstract ideas like "freedom" and "country". They fight to stay alive and to keep their fellow war fighters alive. They may join the military for a variety of reasons and "freedom" and "country" may be among them but once the shooting starts those ideas are forgotten. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 15:15:29 GMT -5
and should not be played before sport's events. He is entitled to his opinion but maybe he should use ear phones.It is a war song- a celebration of military victory. Victory is a good thing to celebrate- especially if what is to follow is a competition. The PC left is out of their minds, really. They hate that our nation exists due to military strength. They fail to realize that EVERY nation exists due to military force. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 15:38:17 GMT -5
What does this guy think sports are? They're warfare disguised! |
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 15:39:46 GMT -5
What does this guy think sports are? They're warfare disguised! No one dies |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 15:41:45 GMT -5
What does this guy think sports are? They're warfare disguised! No one dies Well, not on purpose. A few dozen people have died over the years, and some more have been permanently disabled. Sports are an outlet for the same aggressive drives that spark wars. These drives are baked into humans. Pretending that they're not is ostrich behavior, and worthy of scorn. |
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Post by freddfish on Nov 9, 2013 16:01:14 GMT -5
When I was in elementary school, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning. All sporting events are precluded by the Star Spangled Banner and when teams visit from other countries, their anthem is sung/played as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these customs. They remind us to remember who we are and where we come from. The United States declared independence from Britain in 1776, but really did not defend it until the War of 1812, the pivotal event being the Battle of Baltimore, which inspired our national anthem. Citizens of this country and people around the world seem to complain every day about America, yet so many folks still want to come here, to be here. I wish people would stop once in a while and think despite the challenges, how good we all really have it here. One of the (many) things that makes our country unique is that our National Anthem was not written by a poet in a garret at the orders of a monarch, but by a free man who was present at a pivotal moment in our history, when our fledgling nation and it's experiment with rule of the people could have easily perished in the cradle. The campaign that led to the writing of our National Anthem really had 3 near-simultaneous parts...the Battles of North Point, Hampstead Hill, and Fort McHenry in Baltimore. In order to take the port of Baltimore by capturing Fort McHenry, the British put troops ashore at North Point. They were repulsed and sent packing by a numerically inferior and less-skilled Maryland Militia, commanded by John Stricker. Although technically an American defeat, it nonetheless stopped the British from attaining their objective of a land attack on Baltimore. (tactical defeat, but strategic victory) The pincer movement to take Baltimore by land and sea was thus thwarted, and the task of taking the strategically important Port of Baltimore thus made more difficult. It then fell to the British navy to take Ft McHenry. Which they strove mightily to do, with a sustained naval bombardment that lasted 25 hrs...and to which the Americans at the fort could not answer, lacking the range to return fire. So all through that long night, loyal Americans in Baltimore watching from their upper windows and rooftops, and indeed all across MD, were asking themselves the same question: "When the sun comes up and the smoke clears, will Fort McHenry hold? Will the Flag of the United States of America still fly over the fort, signifying that we remain unbeaten and defiant in the face of tyranny?" And so it was. Our National Anthem was written by a man who had a front-row seat to this historic event, and with the passage of each day, this song grows, rather than decreases in it's relevance. The debt that we owe to our forefathers who picked up a rifle and fought for our freedoms against the most powerful nation in the world should be be forgotten, or minimized....and this song reminds us that we are the stewards of their legacy. Each generation should ask itself: "Does the flag still wave over the land of the free? And what are we doing to ensure that it remains the home of the brave?" |
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 16:21:18 GMT -5
Well, not on purpose. A few dozen people have died over the years, and some more have been permanently disabled. Sports are an outlet for the same aggressive drives that spark wars. These drives are baked into humans. Pretending that they're not is ostrich behavior, and worthy of scorn. Ray Chapman |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 17:13:28 GMT -5
I do agree that war is not beautiful. What is beautiful are the sacrifices men and women do make to fight for our freedoms. In combat men & women do not fight for abstract ideas like "freedom" and "country". They fight to stay alive and to keep their fellow war fighters alive. They may join the military for a variety of reasons and "freedom" and "country" may be among them but once the shooting starts those ideas are forgotten. Fair enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 17:14:54 GMT -5
What does this guy think sports are? They're warfare disguised! Now that is an interesting question. Makes me go hmmmm |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 9, 2013 19:20:58 GMT -5
It's an awful song. Old and archaic. Let's get a new one. what the hell is wrong with you? comrade? No way we change our American song, go sing your own if you want to, but leave us out of it. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 19:54:34 GMT -5
It's an awful song. Old and archaic. Let's get a new one. what the hell is wrong with you? comrade? No way we change our American song, go sing your own if you want to, but leave us out of it. I don't like the stupid song. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 19:56:45 GMT -5
When I was in elementary school, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning. All sporting events are precluded by the Star Spangled Banner and when teams visit from other countries, their anthem is sung/played as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these customs. They remind us to remember who we are and where we come from. The United States declared independence from Britain in 1776, but really did not defend it until the War of 1812, the pivotal event being the Battle of Baltimore, which inspired our national anthem. Citizens of this country and people around the world seem to complain every day about America, yet so many folks still want to come here, to be here. I wish people would stop once in a while and think despite the challenges, how good we all really have it here. One of the (many) things that makes our country unique is that our National Anthem was not written by a poet in a garret at the orders of a monarch, but by a free man who was present at a pivotal moment in our history, when our fledgling nation and it's experiment with rule of the people could have easily perished in the cradle. The campaign that led to the writing of our National Anthem really had 3 near-simultaneous parts...the Battles of North Point, Hampstead Hill, and Fort McHenry in Baltimore. In order to take the port of Baltimore by capturing Fort McHenry, the British put troops ashore at North Point. They were repulsed and sent packing by a numerically inferior and less-skilled Maryland Militia, commanded by John Stricker. Although technically an American defeat, it nonetheless stopped the British from attaining their objective of a land attack on Baltimore. (tactical defeat, but strategic victory) The pincer movement to take Baltimore by land and sea was thus thwarted, and the task of taking the strategically important Port of Baltimore thus made more difficult. It then fell to the British navy to take Ft McHenry. Which they strove mightily to do, with a sustained naval bombardment that lasted 25 hrs...and to which the Americans at the fort could not answer, lacking the range to return fire. So all through that long night, loyal Americans in Baltimore watching from their upper windows and rooftops, and indeed all across MD, were asking themselves the same question: "When the sun comes up and the smoke clears, will Fort McHenry hold? Will the Flag of the United States of America still fly over the fort, signifying that we remain unbeaten and defiant in the face of tyranny?" And so it was. Our National Anthem was written by a man who had a front-row seat to this historic event, and with the passage of each day, this song grows, rather than decreases in it's relevance. The debt that we owe to our forefathers who picked up a rifle and fought for our freedoms against the most powerful nation in the world should be be forgotten, or minimized....and this song reminds us that we are the stewards of their legacy. Each generation should ask itself: "Does the flag still wave over the land of the free? And what are we doing to ensure that it remains the home of the brave?" Well said- a free man praising the heroic defense of his own nation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 19:57:50 GMT -5
Another one that brings tears to my eyes America the Beautiful especially when it is sung at Mass.
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 19:58:32 GMT -5
The war of 1812 ?
That was a bad and useless war.... Again! Let's celebrate and steal the melody from.... England! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 19:58:39 GMT -5
Another one that brings tears to my eyes America the Beautiful especially when it is sung at Mass. That is a nice song!! |
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 19:59:12 GMT -5
Another one that brings tears to my eyes America the Beautiful especially when it is sung at Mass. Cutting onions bring tears to my eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:02:53 GMT -5
When I hear I am proud to be an American especially after 911 I cry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:20:57 GMT -5
I do agree that war is not beautiful. What is beautiful are the sacrifices men and women do make to fight for our freedoms. In combat men & women do not fight for abstract ideas like "freedom" and "country". They fight to stay alive and to keep their fellow war fighters alive. They may join the military for a variety of reasons and "freedom" and "country" may be among them but once the shooting starts those ideas are forgotten. "Patriotism," "Service," and "pride" may be additional reasons for "enlisting in the cause," Vosa. In my case, I thought it was "the right thing to do." In any case, you are correct, every soldier, sailor, or airman is trained to do exactly as you have said, look out for your buddy and stay alive. Come to think of it, the only time I thought of "Country" was when I saluted the colors boarding or leaving the "boat." The rest of the time, it was a job.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:25:11 GMT -5
In combat men & women do not fight for abstract ideas like "freedom" and "country". They fight to stay alive and to keep their fellow war fighters alive. They may join the military for a variety of reasons and "freedom" and "country" may be among them but once the shooting starts those ideas are forgotten. "Patriotism," "Service," and "pride" may be additional reasons for "enlisting in the cause," Vosa. In my case, I thought it was "the right thing to do." In any case, you are correct, every soldier, sailor, or airman is trained to do exactly as you have said, look out for your buddy and stay alive. Come to think of it, the only time I thought of "Country" was when I saluted the colors boarding or leaving the "boat." The rest of the time, it was a job. Regardless of "purity" of reason-- yourself and all military folks have done/are doing a hard job, so the rest of us don't have to do it, or worry about our freedom (from foreign politicians....our own, well...). Hats off and all due respect for you!! Even if you just joined to with the hope to nail German chicks and drink foreign beers  , or only fought to keep self and buddies alive, in the end you still had to put your life on the line for all of us. Thank you. |
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Post by r686st on Nov 9, 2013 21:56:52 GMT -5
and should not be played before sport's events. He is entitled to his opinion but maybe he should use ear phones.It is a war song- a celebration of military victory. Victory is a good thing to celebrate- especially if what is to follow is a competition. The PC left is out of their minds, really. They hate that our nation exists due to military strength. They fail to realize that EVERY nation exists due to military force. IMHO they just generally hate our nation. |
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Post by r686st on Nov 9, 2013 21:57:45 GMT -5
What does this guy think sports are? They're warfare disguised! Especially football. |
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Post by r686st on Nov 9, 2013 22:00:01 GMT -5
what the hell is wrong with you? comrade? No way we change our American song, go sing your own if you want to, but leave us out of it. I don't like the stupid song. Somehow that doesn't surprise me in the least, Comrade. |
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, or only fought to keep self and buddies alive, in the end you still had to put your life on the line for all of us. Thank you.