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Post by dsummoner on Nov 9, 2013 17:57:01 GMT -5
The failed 'war' on drugs... a policy of failure that is so failed that only US government could continue it and force it onto other countries. |
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Post by freddfish on Nov 9, 2013 18:09:17 GMT -5
The failed 'war' on drugs... a policy of failure that is so failed that only US government could continue it and force it onto other countries. It is high time we tried some other approach, cuz this one isn't working. Hell, just today I was walking to the barbershop past a small construction job (just 3 dudes fixing a retaining wall) on a busy artery coming out of Baltimore a 1/2 mile past the city line. 2 guys were sitting in the dump truck taking a break, and as I walked past, I got the strong unmistakeable aroma of weed that stops an old veteran like me in his tracks. It is EVERYWHERE. And people who peacefully toke up are being put behind bars for it, getting criminal records, losing their jobs, seeing their property seized..... This S&^%t has got to stop. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 9, 2013 18:14:56 GMT -5
Just think of the power that government would have to give up it ended the 'war' on drugs...
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Post by douger on Nov 9, 2013 18:15:53 GMT -5
The failed 'war' on drugs... a policy of failure that is so failed that only US government could continue it and force it onto other countries. It is high time we tried some other approach, cuz this one isn't working. Hell, just today I was walking to the barbershop past a small construction job (just 3 dudes fixing a retaining wall) on a busy artery coming out of Baltimore a 1/2 mile past the city line. 2 guys were sitting in the dump truck taking a break, and as I walked past, I got the strong unmistakeable aroma of weed that stops an old veteran like me in his tracks. It is EVERYWHERE. And people who peacefully toke up are being put behind bars for it, getting criminal records, losing their jobs, seeing their property seized..... This S&^%t has got to stop. Today's weed smells much better than that Mexican crap I started on.  |
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Post by freddfish on Nov 9, 2013 18:22:06 GMT -5
It is high time we tried some other approach, cuz this one isn't working. Hell, just today I was walking to the barbershop past a small construction job (just 3 dudes fixing a retaining wall) on a busy artery coming out of Baltimore a 1/2 mile past the city line. 2 guys were sitting in the dump truck taking a break, and as I walked past, I got the strong unmistakeable aroma of weed that stops an old veteran like me in his tracks. It is EVERYWHERE. And people who peacefully toke up are being put behind bars for it, getting criminal records, losing their jobs, seeing their property seized..... This S&^%t has got to stop. Today's weed smells much better than that Mexican crap I started on. True 'dat. A buddy of mine said he had some stuff that was so pungent the whole neighborhood could smell it, and here's the kicker: they could smell it BEFORE he even lit is up! 'Course, it cost a lot more than $15 for a 4-finger oz..... "That s*&^t sold faster than 10-dollar ass in TJ" -Tuco, from Breaking Bad, 1st season
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Post by douger on Nov 9, 2013 18:25:06 GMT -5
Today's weed smells much better than that Mexican crap I started on. True 'dat. A buddy of mine said he had some stuff that was so pungent the whole neighborhood could smell it, and here's the kicker: they could smell it BEFORE he even lit is up! 'Course, it cost a lot more than $15 for a 4-finger oz..... "That s*&^t sold faster than 10-dollar ass in TJ" -Tuco, from Breaking Bad, 1st season
Back when I put the bong down, we were just starting to get that kind of bud.  |
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Post by freddfish on Nov 9, 2013 18:34:44 GMT -5
True 'dat. A buddy of mine said he had some stuff that was so pungent the whole neighborhood could smell it, and here's the kicker: they could smell it BEFORE he even lit is up! 'Course, it cost a lot more than $15 for a 4-finger oz..... "That s*&^t sold faster than 10-dollar ass in TJ" -Tuco, from Breaking Bad, 1st season
Back when I put the bong down, we were just starting to get that kind of bud. Yeah, but there was a lot more sharing going on then. When the prices jumped so high, people stopped saying "hey, hold out your hand" and dumping some in there when they heard you were dry. Plus, if you smoked a joint all the way down like folks used to do with a stick of Mex, you'd be blasted into incoherence by the time it got to be a roach. Can't talk sense, or pick tunes, and sometimes it puts space between other good folks and yourself. Not sure the new high-price high-voltage stuff is altogether a change for the good... |
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Post by douger on Nov 9, 2013 18:40:42 GMT -5
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Post by freddfish on Nov 9, 2013 23:41:40 GMT -5
One good turn deserves another.... Attachments:
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 10, 2013 7:50:00 GMT -5
Like everything the government starts the War of Drugs became a "business"
Empires were built and made bigger, life long careers were created, money was to be made.
Now the people in those empires will fight tooth and nail to keep the money train running.
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 13:03:36 GMT -5
Like everything the government starts the War of Drugs became a "business" Empires were built and made bigger, life long careers were created, money was to be made. Now the people in those empires will fight tooth and nail to keep the money train running. Your best post you've ever written in your life. Seriously. You have nailed the trouble with government. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:12:26 GMT -5
True 'dat. A buddy of mine said he had some stuff that was so pungent the whole neighborhood could smell it, and here's the kicker: they could smell it BEFORE he even lit is up! 'Course, it cost a lot more than $15 for a 4-finger oz..... "That s*&^t sold faster than 10-dollar ass in TJ" -Tuco, from Breaking Bad, 1st season
Back when I put the bong down, we were just starting to get that kind of bud. Due to conditions of employment and the risk of random pee tests I haven't partaken of the nectar in zillions of years. Sometimes a couple of acquaintances' at the local neighborhood saloon are known by the scent; recognizable from 20 feet away! |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 10, 2013 13:28:12 GMT -5
One of the ultimate questions at issue here is one of who has the right to determine what you (generally) put into your body? Is it you or is it the government?
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 13:41:35 GMT -5
One of the ultimate questions at issue here is one of who has the right to determine what you (generally) put into your body? Is it you or is it the government? In the good old days your mom and your dad would advise you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:48:27 GMT -5
War on Drugs is an outright crime. Government should have no authority to dictate what consenting adults of sound mind do in the privacy of their own homes to their own bodies as long as it does not violate the rights of others. When it starts with such an invasioon, nothing good can result. The result of its inevitable failure to control drug abuse simple causes government to go on an ever-expanding reach to increase its power. Results- rampant drug abuse, dangerous inner cities, feral cultural pockets dependend on drug and welfare money, highest incarcertaion rate in world, billions wasted to no effect.
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 10, 2013 14:15:39 GMT -5
One of the ultimate questions at issue here is one of who has the right to determine what you (generally) put into your body? Is it you or is it the government? In the good old days your mom and your dad would advise you. Government, now, is the mommy and daddy. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 10, 2013 14:38:40 GMT -5
War on Drugs is an outright crime. Government should have no authority to dictate what consenting adults of sound mind do in the privacy of their own homes to their own bodies as long as it does not violate the rights of others. When it starts with such an invasioon, nothing good can result. The result of its inevitable failure to control drug abuse simple causes government to go on an ever-expanding reach to increase its power. Results- rampant drug abuse, dangerous inner cities, feral cultural pockets dependend on drug and welfare money, highest incarcertaion rate in world, billions wasted to no effect. This occurs because we allow the government to tax us to pay for the healthcare of drug addicts, we do jot allow them to die, instead great sums are paid to cure them, rinse repeat. Next up with single payer is the government telling us what we can, and can't eat including portion size. After all if the government (taxpayers) is paying they get to call the shots. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 14:42:25 GMT -5
In the good old days your mom and your dad would advise you. Government, now, is the mommy and daddy. They don't advise you, either, they tell you. Plus incarceration is a booming business. Lobbyists abound!!!! |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 10, 2013 14:53:40 GMT -5
Government, now, is the mommy and daddy. They don't advise you, either, they tell you. Plus incarceration is a booming business. Lobbyists abound!!!! It is part and parcel of how government has always worked. It is about centralizing power. Whether by divine right or by 'oh noes!!! scary,' the equation can always be readily reduced to one of state authority v. individual rights and liberties. The war on drugs, by any objective metric, in regards to how it has been sold, has been an abject failure. When it comes to increasing power at the expense of individual rights and liberties, it has been a roaring success. That economic fascism has crept into the incarceration equation is no surprise. Government is the singular best means for 'investing' when it comes to creating a market. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 10, 2013 18:36:01 GMT -5
Freedom includes the freedom to make poor choices, as long as you harm only yourself. I'm speaking here of physical or financial harm, as these are harms that can be measured. Emotional harm, which perhaps a drug user inflicts on those around him, is too difficult to quantify and therefore legislating against it is a bad idea. That kind of harm is best handled between the drug user and those who consider themselves harmed (those around a drug user frequently also overlook other the kinds of harm, in effect enabling the drug abuse. That is their right in a free society.)
People who make poor choices tend to take themselves out of the gene pool at a higher rate than normal, and that doubtless brings a gradual benefit to the human species.
These are my basic arguments against the war on drugs. Certainly it creates misery. As long as that is confined to the drug abuser, I'm okay with it. He made his choice, he takes his lumps.
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Post by douger on Nov 10, 2013 19:12:09 GMT -5
Freedom includes the freedom to make poor choices, as long as you harm only yourself. I'm speaking here of physical or financial harm, as these are harms that can be measured. Emotional harm, which perhaps a drug user inflicts on those around him, is too difficult to quantify and therefore legislating against it is a bad idea. That kind of harm is best handled between the drug user and those who consider themselves harmed (those around a drug user frequently also overlook other the kinds of harm, in effect enabling the drug abuse. That is their right in a free society.) People who make poor choices tend to take themselves out of the gene pool at a higher rate than normal, and that doubtless brings a gradual benefit to the human species. These are my basic arguments against the war on drugs. Certainly it creates misery. As long as that is confined to the drug abuser, I'm okay with it. He made his choice, he takes his lumps. Let me take that thought a bit further. We've allowed two heavily abused drugs to remain legal: alcohol and nicotine. I'm not fully convinced about the dangers of second hand smoke, but nicotine is very much one of the drugs that pretty much confines its effects on the user. Alcohol is an different story. It makes some people violent, which poses a threat to those around them. People drink and then operate machinery that again imposes a danger to those around them. Which is not to suggest that we ban alcohol. First, I like beer as much as the next person. Second, banning alcohol resulted in much the same violence over the supply and demand of the product that the prohibition on "recreational drugs" produces today. But, the reality is that the government is successful in interdicting a very small percentage of the drugs that pass through out borders, and at great monetary and societal cost. The same dangers presented by alcohol abusers is already present with drug abusers as well. We would not be adding to the problem, and there's a good chance of reducing those issues if the lure of "forbidden fruit" is removed. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 10, 2013 19:13:32 GMT -5
Additionally, those who survive bottoming out could seek care for their addiction without the fear of winding up incarcerated.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 10, 2013 20:34:21 GMT -5
Freedom includes the freedom to make poor choices, as long as you harm only yourself. I'm speaking here of physical or financial harm, as these are harms that can be measured. Emotional harm, which perhaps a drug user inflicts on those around him, is too difficult to quantify and therefore legislating against it is a bad idea. That kind of harm is best handled between the drug user and those who consider themselves harmed (those around a drug user frequently also overlook other the kinds of harm, in effect enabling the drug abuse. That is their right in a free society.) People who make poor choices tend to take themselves out of the gene pool at a higher rate than normal, and that doubtless brings a gradual benefit to the human species. These are my basic arguments against the war on drugs. Certainly it creates misery. As long as that is confined to the drug abuser, I'm okay with it. He made his choice, he takes his lumps. If you legalize drugs then we also need to allow the consequences of using drugs fall on the drug users head, no free health care for drug related illnesses. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 10, 2013 20:35:44 GMT -5
Additionally, those who survive bottoming out could seek care for their addiction without the fear of winding up incarcerated. As long as they pay for it. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 11, 2013 12:28:29 GMT -5
There are babies born addicted to drugs because of their parents addiction.
This is a major breakdown. What then does an "organized" society do?
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