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Post by rentedmule on Jul 20, 2014 4:36:12 GMT -5
The whole idea is dumb. We do not need more nanny laws. Except when it is your employer choosing your Heath care, then it is all hunky dory...... So you oppose the ACA?
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 20, 2014 5:46:04 GMT -5
The whole idea is dumb. We do not need more nanny laws. Except when it is your employer choosing your Heath care, then it is all hunky dory...... like the hunky dory government run website is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 6:26:20 GMT -5
There is another way around it IF this fool plan goes through. Ignore is your friend. My wife has a cart she uses at the farmer's mkts, collapses and folds for storage, but quite sturdy. It doesn't try to tell you what to by though. I guess the people that designed it assumed it would be used by free adults capable of making their own dietary choices. That would be something to have on hand if the USDA pushes this idea. I already bring my own bags to avoid paying a bag tax.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 6:35:51 GMT -5
It must be getting pretty crowded under all those pubbie beds now they've started cramming grocery carts under them as well.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 20, 2014 6:52:55 GMT -5
It must be getting pretty crowded under all those pubbie beds now they've started cramming grocery carts under them as well. Easy solution. Take government folk out of the grocery cart business. Problem solved! Some folk seem to like being messed with, some don't. Those who like to mess with others have many fertile fields to toil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 7:21:35 GMT -5
I do have a small cart that folds which I keep in the trunk of my car.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 20, 2014 13:58:43 GMT -5
It must be getting pretty crowded under all those pubbie beds now they've started cramming grocery carts under them as well. Well Im not worried about you, there is plenty of room under your bed after you threw out all your rights and liberties in worshipful obedience of the DNC desires.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 20, 2014 14:02:19 GMT -5
It must be getting pretty crowded under all those pubbie beds now they've started cramming grocery carts under them as well. Well Im not worried about you, there is plenty of room under your bed after you threw out all your rights and liberties in worshipful obedience of the DNC desires. Don't be so sure. Democrats need to keep the Koch brothers, the entire Keystone XL pipeline and Defense Department under there.
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 16:15:38 GMT -5
It must be getting pretty crowded under all those pubbie beds now they've started cramming grocery carts under them as well. Well Im not worried about you, there is plenty of room under your bed after you threw out all your rights and liberties in worshipful obedience of the DNC desires. Is your last name Grouch?
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 16:16:21 GMT -5
Well Im not worried about you, there is plenty of room under your bed after you threw out all your rights and liberties in worshipful obedience of the DNC desires. Don't be so sure. Democrats need to keep the Koch brothers, the entire Keystone XL pipeline and Defense Department under there. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 20, 2014 16:37:42 GMT -5
Well Im not worried about you, there is plenty of room under your bed after you threw out all your rights and liberties in worshipful obedience of the DNC desires. Is your last name Grouch? Awww poor baby at a loss for words are you?
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 20, 2014 16:39:37 GMT -5
Don't be so sure. Democrats need to keep the Koch brothers, the entire Keystone XL pipeline and Defense Department under there. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? The newspapers mention them now and then
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 20, 2014 16:44:29 GMT -5
Don't be so sure. Democrats need to keep the Koch brothers, the entire Keystone XL pipeline and Defense Department under there. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Once a troll, always a troll .......
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 17:09:26 GMT -5
Is your last name Grouch? Awww poor baby at a loss for words are you? No
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 17:10:29 GMT -5
Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Once a troll, always a troll ....... You're trolling here. Stop it. This post of yours only inflames and does not address the topic here. That's what trolling is. Even on sunspot liveson
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 17:11:00 GMT -5
Where do you guys come up with this stuff? The newspapers mention them now and then They do? How?
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 20, 2014 21:49:30 GMT -5
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That's my look at you for the week, Maybe next week Ill see if you have gotten any smarter But I doubt it.
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Post by kashmir on Jul 20, 2014 23:05:30 GMT -5
Except when it is your employer choosing your Heath care, then it is all hunky dory...... like the hunky dory government run website is? I guess you have severe short term memory loss, this wasn't the only government run website that had a poor roll out.....
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Post by kashmir on Jul 20, 2014 23:09:49 GMT -5
Except when it is your employer choosing your Heath care, then it is all hunky dory...... So you oppose the ACA? Why would you think I am opposed to the ACA? I sure do oppose my employer cherry picking through my health care though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:17:42 GMT -5
Why would you think I am opposed to the ACA? I sure do oppose my employer cherry picking through my health care though.
That employer offers you healthcare coverage of their own volition. There's no law compelling any employer to offer a benefits package of any type. (And yes, I realize that the lovely ACA now imposes penalties on employers under certain conditions.) Employer-based healthcare is a benefit, not an inalienable right.
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 23:18:46 GMT -5
Why would you think I am opposed to the ACA? I sure do oppose my employer cherry picking through my health care though.
That employer offers you healthcare coverage of their own volition. There's no law compelling any employer to offer a benefits package of any type. (And yes, I realize that the lovely ACA now imposes penalties on employers under certain conditions.) Healthcare is a benefit, not an inalienable right.
You guys act like you don't work for a living or raise a family.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:23:52 GMT -5
That employer offers you healthcare coverage of their own volition. There's no law compelling any employer to offer a benefits package of any type. (And yes, I realize that the lovely ACA now imposes penalties on employers under certain conditions.) Healthcare is a benefit, not an inalienable right.
You guys act like you don't work for a living or raise a family. Yeah, that must be what it is.
You are aware, are you not, that employer-provided healthcare is an unintended consequence of programs developed during the War as a means of increasing wages in spite of government-imposed wage controls? What was meant to be a wartime stopgap has become a permanent fixture in healthcare insurance.
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 23:26:11 GMT -5
You guys act like you don't work for a living or raise a family. Yeah, that must be what it is.
You are aware, are you not, that employer-provided healthcare is an unintended consequence of programs developed during the War as a means of increasing wages in spite of government-imposed wage controls? What was meant to be a wartime stopgap has become a permanent fixture in healthcare insurance.
Awesome . Let's get rid of it. Workers will suffer and management will be thrilled. Repubs will rejoice until they go to work. I cannot believe the lengths you repubs go to defend corporate America.
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Post by kashmir on Jul 20, 2014 23:26:39 GMT -5
Why would you think I am opposed to the ACA? I sure do oppose my employer cherry picking through my health care though.
That employer offers you healthcare coverage of their own volition. There's no law compelling any employer to offer a benefits package of any type. (And yes, I realize that the lovely ACA now imposes penalties on employers under certain conditions.) Employer-based healthcare is a benefit, not an inalienable right.
Don't offer the insurance if you are going to be a dick about it and cherry pick through it. Not sure what your point is, because we are talking about Hobby Lobby and they have it in their benefit package.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:52:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that must be what it is.
You are aware, are you not, that employer-provided healthcare is an unintended consequence of programs developed during the War as a means of increasing wages in spite of government-imposed wage controls? What was meant to be a wartime stopgap has become a permanent fixture in healthcare insurance.
Awesome . Let's get rid of it. Workers will suffer and management will be thrilled. Repubs will rejoice until they go to work. I cannot believe the lengths you repubs go to defend corporate America. OK, one more crack at this and then I'm going to try and explain it to my cat.
First, get off the corporate America and Republican twaddle for a minute. I'm not defending anyone or anything. A recent study by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that employer healthcare benefits have not changed significantly over the years. I don't know which management you're referring to, but it's obvious that they're not leading any big charge to eliminate it.
No one in their right mind, if they had to start from scratch, would design a healthcare system largely predicated on employment. Leave the job and lose the healthcare. Such a system not only discourages movement among employees, but it also depresses wages. Who pays for that coverage? Typically, the employee does, as such benefits reduce their entire compensation package. In an 20 arrangement, let's say, what if the employee could pocket that 20 percent and then find a policy on their own that more closely meets their healthcare needs? Not only might it be more suited to them, but it also might be cheaper.
Employer-healthcare is just one of many factors that has contributed to sky-high healthcare costs. Roughly 160 million workers receive healthcare from their employer. Since they have virtually no control over the plan itself, they also have no incentive to control the spending, which contributes to higher costs. It also makes for a much less efficient labor market.
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