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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 18, 2014 20:34:24 GMT -5
He will have season ending (well, *formal* season ending) knee surgery. Cashman, the GM, says he could be back for spring training. Enjoy paying the back end of a *another* unwise contract, Yanks! CC and ARod can sip margaritas together on your dime!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 23:20:48 GMT -5
Not surprising. Sabathia figured to miss the rest of this season. There was even speculation that if the injury was serious enough, his career might be in jeopardy.
Another classic illustration as to why long-term contracts--particularly for pitchers--are a bad idea. Sabathia's been a workhorse up until this season, but he's also gone just 17-17 over the past two seasons with an ERA over 5.00. Now the Yankees are on the hook for another $48 million for the next two years. But the owners will never learn. You can preach abstinence, but as soon as you turn your back, they're knocking back another shot. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 19, 2014 11:23:14 GMT -5
But the owners will never learn. You can preach abstinence, but as soon as you turn your back, they're knocking back another shot. I keep waiting for them to wise up and stop offering contracts like that, but they keep doing it. In the steroid era, where drugs could sustain careers deep into the 30s, it may have been a better move. Now it seems dangerous. But apparently owners and GMs don't get that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 0:25:36 GMT -5
But the owners will never learn. You can preach abstinence, but as soon as you turn your back, they're knocking back another shot. I keep waiting for them to wise up and stop offering contracts like that, but they keep doing it. In the steroid era, where drugs could sustain careers deep into the 30s, it may have been a better move. Now it seems dangerous. But apparently owners and GMs don't get that. The old adage in baseball is that nothing is so fragile as a pitcher's arm. Huge contracts for free agent pitchers are typically fool's gold. |
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Post by Moses on Jul 20, 2014 20:48:44 GMT -5
I agree pitchers are fragile. They have owners over a barrel tho because they are totally valuable and necessary. Owners hate when players have power. They just have to pay them and suck up the gamble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 0:46:35 GMT -5
I agree pitchers are fragile. They have owners over a barrel tho because they are totally valuable and necessary. Owners hate when players have power. They just have to pay them and suck up the gamble. The owners still have the ultimate power, which is the ability to just say no. Unfortunately, it only takes one to say yes and the market goes ever higher. The difference is, teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can make all of the free agent mistakes they want without undue economic damage. Most teams, however, can't risk having a huge dead weight contract dragging them down. They simply can't afford to have that kind of investment go south.
There are only two ways a team should get a high-profile starting pitcher: either develop one on their own or trade for him in the last year of his contract. By the time a pitcher reaches free agency, he's typically 28 to 32 years old and has a lot of mileage already on his arm. His best years are mostly in the rearview mirror by that time.
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Post by Moses on Jul 21, 2014 8:35:46 GMT -5
I agree pitchers are fragile. They have owners over a barrel tho because they are totally valuable and necessary. Owners hate when players have power. They just have to pay them and suck up the gamble. The owners still have the ultimate power, which is the ability to just say no. Unfortunately, it only takes one to say yes and the market goes ever higher. The difference is, teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can make all of the free agent mistakes they want without undue economic damage. Most teams, however, can't risk having a huge dead weight contract dragging them down. They simply can't afford to have that kind of investment go south.
There are only two ways a team should get a high-profile starting pitcher: either develop one on their own or trade for him in the last year of his contract. By the time a pitcher reaches free agency, he's typically 28 to 32 years old and has a lot of mileage already on his arm. His best years are mostly in the rearview mirror by that time.
Nature of the beast. The players DO generate the money tho. No one buys a ticket to watch the owners . |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 21, 2014 10:59:02 GMT -5
Some owners are ego motivated to win, some are revenue motivated, and some don't care as long as the team pays expenses and continues to appreciate. I believe Mr. Angelos to be in the last category. The owners of certain large market teams, like New York, are clearly in one of the first two categories.
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Post by Moses on Jul 21, 2014 11:54:07 GMT -5
I remember in the good ol days the yanks cutting the pay of many of their future hall of famers. While raking in the dough, I'll bet.
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 21, 2014 14:57:04 GMT -5
Meh baseball, boring crap, look what I bought because I bought the best players  ............. make it like football with a cap and the chess match starts at the draft. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 23:35:57 GMT -5
The owners still have the ultimate power, which is the ability to just say no. Unfortunately, it only takes one to say yes and the market goes ever higher. The difference is, teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can make all of the free agent mistakes they want without undue economic damage. Most teams, however, can't risk having a huge dead weight contract dragging them down. They simply can't afford to have that kind of investment go south.
There are only two ways a team should get a high-profile starting pitcher: either develop one on their own or trade for him in the last year of his contract. By the time a pitcher reaches free agency, he's typically 28 to 32 years old and has a lot of mileage already on his arm. His best years are mostly in the rearview mirror by that time.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 29, 2014 14:44:32 GMT -5
Meh baseball, boring crap, look what I bought because I bought the best players ............. make it like football with a cap and the chess match starts at the draft. This will never happen, because the MLBPA has sufficient power to stop it. So it's pointless to even speculate about it. The owners took shameless advantage of the players, up to and including collusion, to about the 1970s. The players collectively regard them as untrustworthy exploiters. They will never agree to anything that limits their salaries, which they would see as a cost cutting move. The other big reason why it won't work is that the revenue model is so different. |
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 29, 2014 15:02:52 GMT -5
Meh baseball, boring crap, look what I bought because I bought the best players ............. make it like football with a cap and the chess match starts at the draft. This will never happen, because the MLBPA has sufficient power to stop it. So it's pointless to even speculate about it. Well a patriot COULD put something in the union slugs water.............. I can hope you know. |
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Post by Moses on Aug 2, 2014 11:59:33 GMT -5
This will never happen, because the MLBPA has sufficient power to stop it. So it's pointless to even speculate about it. Well a patriot COULD put something in the union slugs water.............. I can hope you know. Wtf  ? |
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Post by magnaestback on Aug 2, 2014 15:52:43 GMT -5
Well a patriot COULD put something in the union slugs water.............. I can hope you know. Wtf ? Wheres the feta? |
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............. make it like football with a cap and the chess match starts at the draft.
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