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Post by magnaestback on Jul 21, 2014 20:34:55 GMT -5
Looking at a move, buy house there then sell existing one. Never owned a mountainside and may make an offer next weekend. Anybody familiar with area, pluses and minuses...... yes I know, school and property taxes SUCK and 4X4 is a absolute must!
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Post by aponderer on Jul 22, 2014 0:58:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't call north York County Pennsyltucky. Too close to Harrisburg for that. If you are retired (or close to it), PA does not tax your pension, and if you're not retired, PA state income tax is currently 3.07 percent. When I retired I moved to PA and never looked back. PA does not think a person's right to defend oneself vanishes beyond ones front steps. However, one cannot deer hunt in PA with a semi-auto.
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 22, 2014 1:31:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't call north York County Pennsyltucky. Too close to Harrisburg for that. If you are retired (or close to it), PA does not tax your pension, and if you're not retired, PA state income tax is currently 3.07 percent. When I retired I moved to PA and never looked back. PA does not think a person's right to defend oneself vanishes beyond ones front steps. However, one cannot deer hunt in PA with a semi-auto. This is pretty isolated, nary a gas station nor Dollar General within miles. One hill over from Gifford Pinchot state park.  7 acres of pretty much useless wooded rocky hillside but that's cool. Does one need a license on his own property, would I need a hunters safety course?........ grandfathered in Md. I assume the Garand and Safari BAR can be used for target practice??? Handgun OK for deer........ 44 Mag revolver and is a .22 auto OK for Buggs Bunny? Auto shotgun OK for birds? Pa's rules and regs are a LOT worse than Mds. Yup retired military 20 some years ago but she isn't, job took her there in Hanover and Harrisburg with a monthly jaunt to Md, she HATES living out of the motel.  Spoke with cousin up Montourisville ways her daughter caught lymes, guess its everywhere now.  |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 22, 2014 8:16:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't call north York County Pennsyltucky. Too close to Harrisburg for that. If you are retired (or close to it), PA does not tax your pension, and if you're not retired, PA state income tax is currently 3.07 percent. When I retired I moved to PA and never looked back. PA does not think a person's right to defend oneself vanishes beyond ones front steps. However, one cannot deer hunt in PA with a semi-auto. This is pretty isolated, nary a gas station nor Dollar General within miles. One hill over from Gifford Pinchot state park. 7 acres of pretty much useless wooded rocky hillside but that's cool. Does one need a license on his own property, would I need a hunters safety course?........ grandfathered in Md. I assume the Garand and Safari BAR can be used for target practice??? Handgun OK for deer........ 44 Mag revolver and is a .22 auto OK for Buggs Bunny? Auto shotgun OK for birds? Pa's rules and regs are a LOT worse than Mds. Yup retired military 20 some years ago but she isn't, job took her there in Hanover and Harrisburg with a monthly jaunt to Md, she HATES living out of the motel. Spoke with cousin up Montourisville ways her daughter caught lymes, guess its everywhere now. My stepdaughter got lyme disease, and she lives in Balto. city... I'm not sure what you mean by "PA's rules and regs are a LOT worse than MD's" concerning firearms. That is not the case. I believe that in PA if you've ever had a hunter safety course (from any state), then you need not attend one in PA. I also believe that if you've ever had a hunting license from another state, that satisfies PA hunter safety training requirement. Other than the prohibition on using machine guns for hunting, or a semi-automatic for deer (big game) and upland game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.), the hunting regs are pretty much the same as MD's IMHO (except that one can hunt with a rifle or handgun in many more places in PA). Game bird hunting (including migratory game birds) is legal with semi-auto shotguns. Otherwise the firearms regs in PA are much more 2nd Amendment friendly than in MD. PA allows residents who have a PA License To Carry Firearms Permit to carry firearms (concealed if desired) pretty much everywhere (except in court houses, police stations, etc.). And unless the applicant is a "prohibited person" (not permitted to possess firearms, such as a felon, adjudicated nutjob, etc.), the applicant will receive a license, in York County, in a week or less, usually. In PA, the county sheriffs issue the permits. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry, and unlike MD there is no "reasonable, demonstrated need (with documentation) requirement; thus one of the acceptable reasons is simply two words: "personal protection." PA has no "regulated firearms" laws, no Handgun Control Board, no laws banning any firearms because of it's appearance (such as an AR-15). There's no 7-day waiting period nor one-gun-a-month limitation for "regulated firearms." PA uses an "instant background check" system for buying most firearms from dealers (and private transfers of handguns). Machine guns are not prohibited. If you are not a prohibited person, you may go into a gun store, purchase a firearm (rifle, shotgun, or handgun), pass the instant background check (conducted by the PA State Police), and walk out with the firearm in as little as 15 minutes. You (as a PA resident) can buy handguns in PA that are banned in MD--there's none of the Handgun Control Board and Handgun Roster nonsense that MD has. |
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 22, 2014 12:41:50 GMT -5
This is pretty isolated, nary a gas station nor Dollar General within miles. One hill over from Gifford Pinchot state park. 7 acres of pretty much useless wooded rocky hillside but that's cool. Does one need a license on his own property, would I need a hunters safety course?........ grandfathered in Md. I assume the Garand and Safari BAR can be used for target practice??? Handgun OK for deer........ 44 Mag revolver and is a .22 auto OK for Buggs Bunny? Auto shotgun OK for birds? Pa's rules and regs are a LOT worse than Mds. Yup retired military 20 some years ago but she isn't, job took her there in Hanover and Harrisburg with a monthly jaunt to Md, she HATES living out of the motel. Spoke with cousin up Montourisville ways her daughter caught lymes, guess its everywhere now. My stepdaughter got lyme disease, and she lives in Balto. city... I'm not sure what you mean by "PA's rules and regs are a LOT worse than MD's" concerning firearms. That is not the case. I believe that in PA if you've ever had a hunter safety course (from any state), then you need not attend one in PA. I also believe that if you've ever had a hunting license from another state, that satisfies PA hunter safety training requirement. Other than the prohibition on using machine guns for hunting, or a semi-automatic for deer (big game) and upland game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.), the hunting regs are pretty much the same as MD's IMHO (except that one can hunt with a rifle or handgun in many more places in PA). Game bird hunting (including migratory game birds) is legal with semi-auto shotguns. Otherwise the firearms regs in PA are much more 2nd Amendment friendly than in MD. PA allows residents who have a PA License To Carry Firearms Permit to carry firearms (concealed if desired) pretty much everywhere (except in court houses, police stations, etc.). And unless the applicant is a "prohibited person" (not permitted to possess firearms, such as a felon, adjudicated nutjob, etc.), the applicant will receive a license, in York County, in a week or less, usually. In PA, the county sheriffs issue the permits. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry, and unlike MD there is no "reasonable, demonstrated need (with documentation) requirement; thus one of the acceptable reasons is simply two words: "personal protection." PA has no "regulated firearms" laws, no Handgun Control Board, no laws banning any firearms because of it's appearance (such as an AR-15). There's no 7-day waiting period nor one-gun-a-month limitation for "regulated firearms." PA uses an "instant background check" system for buying most firearms from dealers (and private transfers of handguns). Machine guns are not prohibited. If you are not a prohibited person, you may go into a gun store, purchase a firearm (rifle, shotgun, or handgun), pass the instant background check (conducted by the PA State Police), and walk out with the firearm in as little as 15 minutes. You (as a PA resident) can buy handguns in PA that are banned in MD--there's none of the Handgun Control Board and Handgun Roster nonsense that MD has. no no no, what I meant is the hunting REGS are much more confusing than Md which are pretty cut and dry. Maybe its the regions like 2a 2d 5c 5e ect that are throwing me for a loop. I realize they are MUCH better on the 2A. Lymes, I was hoping I could escape it.... obviously not. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry
why is that and whats an acceptable reason???
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Post by aponderer on Jul 22, 2014 14:28:08 GMT -5
My stepdaughter got lyme disease, and she lives in Balto. city... I'm not sure what you mean by "PA's rules and regs are a LOT worse than MD's" concerning firearms. That is not the case. I believe that in PA if you've ever had a hunter safety course (from any state), then you need not attend one in PA. I also believe that if you've ever had a hunting license from another state, that satisfies PA hunter safety training requirement. Other than the prohibition on using machine guns for hunting, or a semi-automatic for deer (big game) and upland game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.), the hunting regs are pretty much the same as MD's IMHO (except that one can hunt with a rifle or handgun in many more places in PA). Game bird hunting (including migratory game birds) is legal with semi-auto shotguns. Otherwise the firearms regs in PA are much more 2nd Amendment friendly than in MD. PA allows residents who have a PA License To Carry Firearms Permit to carry firearms (concealed if desired) pretty much everywhere (except in court houses, police stations, etc.). And unless the applicant is a "prohibited person" (not permitted to possess firearms, such as a felon, adjudicated nutjob, etc.), the applicant will receive a license, in York County, in a week or less, usually. In PA, the county sheriffs issue the permits. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry, and unlike MD there is no "reasonable, demonstrated need (with documentation) requirement; thus one of the acceptable reasons is simply two words: "personal protection." PA has no "regulated firearms" laws, no Handgun Control Board, no laws banning any firearms because of it's appearance (such as an AR-15). There's no 7-day waiting period nor one-gun-a-month limitation for "regulated firearms." PA uses an "instant background check" system for buying most firearms from dealers (and private transfers of handguns). Machine guns are not prohibited. If you are not a prohibited person, you may go into a gun store, purchase a firearm (rifle, shotgun, or handgun), pass the instant background check (conducted by the PA State Police), and walk out with the firearm in as little as 15 minutes. You (as a PA resident) can buy handguns in PA that are banned in MD--there's none of the Handgun Control Board and Handgun Roster nonsense that MD has. no no no, what I meant is the hunting REGS are much more confusing than Md which are pretty cut and dry. Maybe its the regions like 2a 2d 5c 5e ect that are throwing me for a loop. I realize they are MUCH better on the 2A. Lymes, I was hoping I could escape it.... obviously not. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry
why is that and whats an acceptable reason???
If my memory is correct, the application gives a choice of reasons for selection (i.e., multiple choice). One of the choices is "personal protection." I don't know why anyone would check off any of the others (such as "hunting"), but that's just IMHO. Compare that with all the red tape one has to go through in MD to get a license to carry, and there are lots of strings that go along with the MD license if one is lucky enough to get a license. A carry license for the typical, law-abiding citizen in MD is next to non-existent. Also, remember that if one wants to carry openly (except in a vehicle or in Philly), a person not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm may carry it openly (and the person need not be a PA resident). If a premises has "no firearms" posted at the door, one may not carry there. I've rarely seen such postings. BTW, if you decide that parcel of land in York County is not for you, I may be interested in it... |
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 22, 2014 15:31:37 GMT -5
no no no, what I meant is the hunting REGS are much more confusing than Md which are pretty cut and dry. Maybe its the regions like 2a 2d 5c 5e ect that are throwing me for a loop. I realize they are MUCH better on the 2A. Lymes, I was hoping I could escape it.... obviously not. A reason must be given on the application as to why the applicant wants a license to carry
why is that and whats an acceptable reason???
If my memory is correct, the application gives a choice of reasons for selection (i.e., multiple choice). One of the choices is "personal protection." I don't know why anyone would check off any of the others (such as "hunting"), but that's just IMHO. Compare that with all the red tape one has to go through in MD to get a license to carry, and there are lots of strings that go along with the MD license if one is lucky enough to get a license. A carry license for the typical, law-abiding citizen in MD is next to non-existent. Also, remember that if one wants to carry openly (except in a vehicle or in Philly), a person not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm may carry it openly (and the person need not be a PA resident). If a premises has "no firearms" posted at the door, one may not carry there. I've rarely seen such postings. BTW, if you decide that parcel of land in York County is not for you, I may be interested in it... Open carry doesn't impress me, the ONLY reason Id even be interested is for the CC... that way our friendly democrap deoesnt know.... does he want to play craps? We've already missed out on one so I think its time for us to make a leap. I'll have a CHEAP house for you in Wicomico if you want it......... LOTS of public unhunted land and close to OC. |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 22, 2014 15:39:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not interested in buying any MD property.
BTW I wasn't suggesting you might want to open carry in PA. I was just showing you how PA supports the 2nd Amendment.
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 22, 2014 15:42:56 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not interested in buying any MD property. BTW I wasn't suggesting you might want to open carry in PA. I was just showing you how PA supports the 2nd Amendment. Understood and believe me, I sincerely APPRECIATE the direction you're giving. |
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Post by darave on Jul 29, 2014 12:24:12 GMT -5
the conowago hills is full of hill billies when you see signs no trespassing they mean it. do you plan on building on the land? I know a good contractor
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Post by aponderer on Jul 29, 2014 14:06:40 GMT -5
Lots of woods in that part of the County. |
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 29, 2014 14:32:52 GMT -5
Lots of woods in that part of the County. I met the owners of my perspective buy. She said they all hunt each others land......... not sure if I'm going to like that much. If it happens I'm going to post it, they "might" hunt it in the AM but afternoons it's mine and invited guest. Now if they offer me some ground or a gobbler, that might be another story. If this happens I might as well sell my BAR and 10/22 and get more bolts, that sucks, the BAR is my goto.  |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 30, 2014 2:13:13 GMT -5
Lots of woods in that part of the County. I met the owners of my perspective buy. She said they all hunt each others land......... not sure if I'm going to like that much. If it happens I'm going to post it, they "might" hunt it in the AM but afternoons it's mine and invited guest. Now if they offer me some ground or a gobbler, that might be another story. If this happens I might as well sell my BAR and 10/22 and get more bolts, that sucks, the BAR is my goto. I have a few .30-cal. semiauto rifles, but I don't hunt with them (I did hunt with one of them, once, in Cecil County, MD). I'm building a 6.5 Grendel on an AR-15 platform, but I might put a variable gas block in it so I can set it for manual repeating/loading only, which then would be legal in PA. I've hunted in woods plenty of times with a 12-ga pump and rifled slugs and never lost a deer with it. |
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Post by magnaestback on Aug 1, 2014 2:26:17 GMT -5
I met the owners of my perspective buy. She said they all hunt each others land......... not sure if I'm going to like that much. If it happens I'm going to post it, they "might" hunt it in the AM but afternoons it's mine and invited guest. Now if they offer me some ground or a gobbler, that might be another story. If this happens I might as well sell my BAR and 10/22 and get more bolts, that sucks, the BAR is my goto. I have a few .30-cal. semiauto rifles, but I don't hunt with them (I did hunt with one of them, once, in Cecil County, MD). I'm building a 6.5 Grendel on an AR-15 platform, but I might put a variable gas block in it so I can set it for manual repeating/loading only, which then would be legal in PA. I've hunted in woods plenty of times with a 12-ga pump and rifled slugs and never lost a deer with it. Slugs are devastating even more than a 06 IMO, they just don't run away TONS of energy and fast bleed. Not the end of the world, bolts and levers.... Black Powder hand guns must be at least 50 cal which leaves my 44 Walker out.  |
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Post by aponderer on Aug 1, 2014 7:48:47 GMT -5
I have a few .30-cal. semiauto rifles, but I don't hunt with them (I did hunt with one of them, once, in Cecil County, MD). I'm building a 6.5 Grendel on an AR-15 platform, but I might put a variable gas block in it so I can set it for manual repeating/loading only, which then would be legal in PA. I've hunted in woods plenty of times with a 12-ga pump and rifled slugs and never lost a deer with it. Slugs are devastating even more than a 06 IMO, they just don't run away TONS of energy and fast bleed. Not the end of the world, bolts and levers.... Black Powder hand guns must be at least 50 cal which leaves my 44 Walker out. Years ago (in MD) my two boys got their first deer with 20-ga. slugs. The first one was was with a shotgun that it'd rigged up with iron sights "clamped" to the ventilated rib on the barrel. Neither deer got very far. |
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Post by darave on Jun 23, 2015 13:36:28 GMT -5
You would be close to the public shooting range in Rossville heading towards Dillsburg. Went to the top of ski roundtop in the summer the view is awesome. We kayak and canoe at Pinchot lake.
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7 acres of pretty much useless wooded rocky hillside but that's cool. Does one need a license on his own property, would I need a hunters safety course?........ grandfathered in Md. I assume the Garand and Safari BAR can be used for target practice??? Handgun OK for deer........ 44 Mag revolver and is a .22 auto OK for Buggs Bunny? Auto shotgun OK for birds? Pa's rules and regs are a LOT worse than Mds. 
