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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 10:12:19 GMT -5
sourceAdverse selection will always be a problem with insurance. Did they somehow think they could legislate it away? This is a prime example of reality beyotch-slapping ideology. The rest of the article is yet another example of an Obamacare apologist accidentally pointing out why Obamacare is a bad law. It is plagued with problems. The money quote is here: The bigger problem of legislative fix is gettin the GOP to bail the Dems out of the crap sandwich they served up. The GOP, regardless of whether saving the law would be a good idea or not, will not go along. It is better for them to have the issue going into next year's elections.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 10:19:23 GMT -5
Democrats have a big problems from what I can see. There are a lot of Democrats that voted for the thing that didn't survive the 2010 election. Will they march in lockstep toward the 2014 guillotine? So far as the Republicans go, I think Trey Gowdy has said it best. “I’m happy to bail my fellow citizens out, but I’m not going to bail him out.”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:00:16 GMT -5
Democrats have a big problems from what I can see. There are a lot of Democrats that voted for the thing that didn't survive the 2010 election. Will they march in lockstep toward the 2014 guillotine? So far as the Republicans go, I think Trey Gowdy has said it best. “I’m happy to bail my fellow citizens out, but I’m not going to bail him out.”When you equate voting for your self interest with voting for democrats then the idea of the GOP not bailing out the Dems is seen as sabotage. Ridiculous, I know. 2014 should be an interesting year for the Dems. And not in a nice way but more like, "Oh look, the cat's on fire."
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Post by Moses on Nov 14, 2013 11:06:50 GMT -5
Don't forget,If these bugs are fixed you could be In trouble. You guys need to stay on target, but you'll probably overplay your hand. Keep emphasizing why you're against it's as your political philosophy of small government as compared to limbaughistic nit picking.
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Post by redleg on Nov 14, 2013 11:09:57 GMT -5
Don't forget,If these bugs are fixed you could be In trouble. You guys need to stay on target, but you'll probably overplay your hand. Keep emphasizing why you're against it's as your political philosophy of small government as compared to limbaughistic nit picking. So, do you consider 90 million losing their insurance, with nothing to replace it, as a result of Presidential fiat "nit picking"? Do you consider spending $2.7 trillion and still having the same number of uninsured "nit picking"? Do you consider inviting all of Mexico in here to get on Puppettax, with no way to even pay for those here legally "nit picking"? Those are reality. The Puppet's lies are reality. Puppettax not working is reality.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 11:12:59 GMT -5
Don't forget,If these bugs are fixed you could be In trouble. You guys need to stay on target, but you'll probably overplay your hand. Keep emphasizing why you're against it's as your political philosophy of small government as compared to limbaughistic nit picking. So, do you consider 90 million losing their insurance, with nothing to replace it, as a result of Presidential fiat "nit picking"? Do you consider spending $2.7 trillion and still having the same number of uninsured "nit picking"? Do you consider inviting all of Mexico in here to get on Puppettax, with no way to even pay for those here legally "nit picking"? Those are reality. The Puppet's lies are reality. Puppettax not working is reality. So, do you have a credible link thingy for that claim?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:14:42 GMT -5
The big gut check.How many things are just plain silly in this? This presents a contradiction. If they don't fix it then they may pay at the polls. If they do try to fix it then they'll essentially be admitting that their ideology of 'government knows best' is absurd.
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Post by redleg on Nov 14, 2013 11:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:16:59 GMT -5
But wait... there is more:
That people will die no matter how much you spend on their health care is not a market failure. It is a denial of reality, especially in light of how medical technology and costs have grown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:19:00 GMT -5
And even more:
There is a difference between choosing to be a free rider and being force to pay for someone else's free riding. Obamacare is the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:21:56 GMT -5
It just keeps going:
Having government picking winners and losers will not endear the losers to the idea of government intervention. But there is more to this. Even some of the winners will scoff at the idea of benefiting at the expense of others. Look at it this way. If I told you I was going to give you $100,000 you'd probably say yes. If I told you was going to engage in armed robbery to get that $100,000 then you'd probably say no. Obamacare is the latter in practice when it picks winners and losers. This is not a proper role for government!
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 11:27:32 GMT -5
Not a one of those links uses your "90 million" number. Not one of those links suggest there's nothing to replace those plans. The very reason those plans are cancelling is to drive those people into the exchanges so as to moderate the risk pool. The only number that today is absolute is that 4.5 million people will have their policies cancelled as of the first of the year and that those 4.5 million are a part of an estimated 15 million people who are insured in the individual market and are at risk of losing their coverage as well. Perhaps it'd be helpful if you actually read the links that you post.
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Post by darave on Nov 14, 2013 11:29:30 GMT -5
Can you imagine being a young democrat that supported Obama's hope and change and now have to buy insurance or else you pay a fine. I would think that I was duped by the President. I can see these young democrats jumping off the Obama bandwagon now that their being screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 11:31:49 GMT -5
Can you imagine being a young democrat that supported Obama's hope and change and now have to buy insurance or else you pay a fine. I would think that I was duped by the President. I can see these young democrats jumping off the Obama bandwagon now that their being screwed. In all fairness, Obama doesn't need a single voter anymore. The rest of his party...
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 11:38:44 GMT -5
Can you imagine being a young democrat that supported Obama's hope and change and now have to buy insurance or else you pay a fine. I would think that I was duped by the President. I can see these young democrats jumping off the Obama bandwagon now that their being screwed. In all fairness, Obama doesn't need a single voter anymore. The rest of his party...Many are in super safe seats. It'd take a bigger meltdown than what we're looking at today to get those voters not to vote "D." And many of those voters would willingly walk into a whirling propeller blade before they vote "R." On the other hand, Republicans too find themselves a party in flux. They can't seem to settle on whether they're going to be the party of big government guided by "conservative" principles or a true limited government conservative alternative to liberalism. And if you think the American voter is apathetic now, wait until they're sitting under a big pile of dung with no viable options to dig out of it.
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Post by vosa on Nov 14, 2013 16:33:49 GMT -5
An one must remember the American mentality that "My guy is OK. This is all the other guy's fault.
No incumbent in the state of MD will lose his/her seat in the next election.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 18:07:00 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 14, 2013 18:17:35 GMT -5
I guess he'll have to issue some more threats. I'll bet "we'll suspend your Medicare administrator contract" works well.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 14, 2013 19:11:19 GMT -5
Sounds like his party came to him and said they would get creamed in 2014. Now if this doesn't work he will blame the insurance companies for not cooperating....
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 19:12:52 GMT -5
Sounds like his party came to him and said they would get creamed in 2014. Now if this doesn't work he will blame the insurance companies for not cooperating....That's what all of this sets up. How well it works depends on whether the media is playing ball with him.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 14, 2013 19:15:04 GMT -5
When has the media not played ball with him.. ? They will join the call to blame the ins companies.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 19:21:04 GMT -5
When has the media not played ball with him.. ? They will join the call to blame the ins companies. The media has been doing a fairly credible job of covering the meltdown of Obamacare.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 19:56:51 GMT -5
When has the media not played ball with him.. ? They will join the call to blame the ins companies. The media has been doing a fairly credible job of covering the meltdown of Obamacare. Speaking of the media, it appears that Barry's a bit miffed at them.Thy name is arrogance.
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Post by Moses on Nov 14, 2013 19:59:40 GMT -5
Can you imagine being a young democrat that supported Obama's hope and change and now have to buy insurance or else you pay a fine. I would think that I was duped by the President. I can see these young democrats jumping off the Obama bandwagon now that their being screwed. It's not looking good. And it sure gives his distractors tons of ammo.
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Post by Moses on Nov 14, 2013 20:03:31 GMT -5
The media has been doing a fairly credible job of covering the meltdown of Obamacare. Speaking of the media, it appears that Barry's a bit miffed at them.Thy name is arrogance. Well to be fair Most presidents carried a bit if arrogance around with them
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