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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 14, 2013 16:41:30 GMT -5
Updated: Thursday, November 14 2013, 10:11 AM EST Nationwide, schools are stepping up to play the bad guy by taking a hardline, zero tolerance, no more three strikes and you're out. Schools are moving to a quick expulsion, suspension, serious repercussions follow for all infractions - even those with the most innocent of intents. Earlier this fall, a captain of a Boston high school volleyball team was benched, stripped of her title because she left home late at night to pick up a friend who had gotten drunk at a party. In Anne Arundel County, seven-year-old Josh Welch was suspended from school last spring because he fashioned a breakfast tart into the shape of a gun. In January, the State Board of Education will decide if zero tolerance will become part of the disciplinary process in MD public schools. Dr. Jack Vaeth, says a zero tolerance police send good kids down the wrong path. He told FOX45, "'I'm bad', that's the message. 'I'm bad, I'm wrong.' What does that do to anyone's self-esteem?" Vaeth suggests each case be considered individually with alternative punishments offered - such as in-school suspensions. foxbaltimore.com/news/features/featured/stories/schools-nationwide-considering-serious-crackdown-punishments-2412.shtml#.UoVCwuJf_sk |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 14, 2013 17:20:54 GMT -5
Of course. One must start early training children that Authority is not to be opposed in any way, no matter how slight or how right. We slide towards a police state.
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Post by douger on Nov 14, 2013 17:25:17 GMT -5
Of course. One must start early training children that Authority is not to be opposed in any way, no matter how slight or how right. We slide towards a police state. Quite the lesson we're teaching the kiddies. The world is an absolute in blacks and whites. There is no room for judgement, no room for compassion, no shades of gray. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 14, 2013 17:25:23 GMT -5
There is discipline and there is extreme, it's getting out of control.
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Post by redleg on Nov 15, 2013 13:11:35 GMT -5
Just like with the pablum curriculum taking hold in so many schools, it's designed to show kids that their "betters" are always right, that coloring outside the lines will ruin your life, and never question anything anyone tells you about anything.
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Post by darave on Nov 15, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5
my son got 3 days in school suspension when him and several other kids helped themselves to a blow pop when the teacher was absent that day. the letter read from the school that he committed a theft under a $50.00 value. This school is zero tolerance and hands out dententions and suspensions like candy.
he was guilty and got punished.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 15, 2013 13:58:14 GMT -5
and yet bullies and bad kids who harm others walk free, love it, just f******g love it
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Post by redleg on Nov 15, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5
my son got 3 days in school suspension when him and several other kids helped themselves to a blow pop when the teacher was absent that day. the letter read from the school that he committed a theft under a $50.00 value. This school is zero tolerance and hands out dententions and suspensions like candy. he was guilty and got punished. When I was in school, minor infractions like that were dealt with by detention after school. Not suspensions, or expulsions. If you use the death penalty for jaywalking, why is there any reason not to commit murder? |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 15, 2013 15:26:38 GMT -5
my son got 3 days in school suspension when him and several other kids helped themselves to a blow pop when the teacher was absent that day. That's worth an hour or two of detention, tops. |
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Post by leon on Nov 15, 2013 15:48:49 GMT -5
Punishments are not harsh in Baltimore City Public Schools. Interim CEO Tisha Edwards stated that bringing a knife or firearm to school should not mean automatic expulsion. Plus there is pressure in this low performing district to keep suspensions down, official reason that suspended kids can't learn, but the reality is that disruptive, combative students ruin the learning environment for all in the class. Students can even assault a teacher, doing something that would be illegal out on the street, but in school nothing happens. How do I know this? Even teh Sun in the past has reported school assaults and my wife is a 15 year city special ed teacher.
I think there are complex reasons behind the behaviors and that not sanctioning these behaviors is condoning them and encouraging them.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 15, 2013 16:00:34 GMT -5
Hell in my day in Balto City Schools in the 60's teachers were still smacking our hands with rulers if we talked in class. My parents and most others supported it
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 15, 2013 16:29:47 GMT -5
Punishments are not harsh in Baltimore City Public Schools. Interim CEO Tisha Edwards stated that bringing a knife or firearm to school should not mean automatic expulsion. Plus there is pressure in this low performing district to keep suspensions down, official reason that suspended kids can't learn, but the reality is that disruptive, combative students ruin the learning environment for all in the class. Students can even assault a teacher, doing something that would be illegal out on the street, but in school nothing happens. How do I know this? Even teh Sun in the past has reported school assaults and my wife is a 15 year city special ed teacher. I think there are complex reasons behind the behaviors and that not sanctioning these behaviors is condoning them and encouraging them. I have heard that the reason is that they do not want to seem discriminatory because most of the offenses are committed by blacks. If blacks are caught more than their representation in the GENERAL US population (not the representation in the school population) then it is seen as racist. Go figure. |
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 15, 2013 18:01:48 GMT -5
Hell in my day in Balto City Schools in the 60's teachers were still smacking our hands with rulers if we talked in class. My parents and most others supported it In your day, I imagine your High School had a rifle team. |
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 15, 2013 18:05:05 GMT -5
Updated: Thursday, November 14 2013, 10:11 AM EST Nationwide, schools are stepping up to play the bad guy by taking a hardline, zero tolerance, no more three strikes and you're out. Schools are moving to a quick expulsion, suspension, serious repercussions follow for all infractions - even those with the most innocent of intents. Earlier this fall, a captain of a Boston high school volleyball team was benched, stripped of her title because she left home late at night to pick up a friend who had gotten drunk at a party. In Anne Arundel County, seven-year-old Josh Welch was suspended from school last spring because he fashioned a breakfast tart into the shape of a gun. In January, the State Board of Education will decide if zero tolerance will become part of the disciplinary process in MD public schools. Dr. Jack Vaeth, says a zero tolerance police send good kids down the wrong path. He told FOX45, "'I'm bad', that's the message. 'I'm bad, I'm wrong.' What does that do to anyone's self-esteem?" Vaeth suggests each case be considered individually with alternative punishments offered - such as in-school suspensions. foxbaltimore.com/news/features/featured/stories/schools-nationwide-considering-serious-crackdown-punishments-2412.shtml#.UoVCwuJf_skHonestly, we're reaching the point where the zero tolerance policies need to be aimed at insane school administrators. The old Pink Floyd song has never been more appropriate: We don't need no education We don't need no thought control No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave them kids alone Hey teacher leave them kids alone All in all it's just another brick in the wall All in all you're just another brick in the wall |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 15, 2013 20:13:44 GMT -5
Hell in my day in Balto City Schools in the 60's teachers were still smacking our hands with rulers if we talked in class. My parents and most others supported it In your day, I imagine your High School had a rifle team. It most certainly did and with the rifles stored in the school |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 20:15:33 GMT -5
As a parent I would never go along with school officials having the right to spank.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 15, 2013 20:33:45 GMT -5
In your day, I imagine your High School had a rifle team. It most certainly did and with the rifles stored in the school It's amazing how far down the drain we've already gone.  |
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Post by Moses on Nov 15, 2013 20:42:23 GMT -5
Just like with the pablum curriculum taking hold in so many schools, it's designed to show kids that their "betters" are always right, that coloring outside the lines will ruin your life, and never question anything anyone tells you about anything. What planet you on again? Remind me not to visit it. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 15, 2013 20:43:30 GMT -5
Punishments are not harsh in Baltimore City Public Schools. Interim CEO Tisha Edwards stated that bringing a knife or firearm to school should not mean automatic expulsion. Plus there is pressure in this low performing district to keep suspensions down, official reason that suspended kids can't learn, but the reality is that disruptive, combative students ruin the learning environment for all in the class. Students can even assault a teacher, doing something that would be illegal out on the street, but in school nothing happens. How do I know this? Even teh Sun in the past has reported school assaults and my wife is a 15 year city special ed teacher. I think there are complex reasons behind the behaviors and that not sanctioning these behaviors is condoning them and encouraging them. I have heard that the reason is that they do not want to seem discriminatory because most of the offenses are committed by blacks. If blacks are caught more than their representation in the GENERAL US population (not the representation in the school population) then it is seen as racist. Go figure. Lmao |
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Post by Moses on Nov 15, 2013 20:44:59 GMT -5
my son got 3 days in school suspension when him and several other kids helped themselves to a blow pop when the teacher was absent that day. the letter read from the school that he committed a theft under a $50.00 value. This school is zero tolerance and hands out dententions and suspensions like candy. he was guilty and got punished. When I was in school, minor infractions like that were dealt with by detention after school. Not suspensions, or expulsions. If you use the death penalty for jaywalking, why is there any reason not to commit murder? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 21:21:30 GMT -5
Schools don't want to suspend or expel for serious, violent offenses as the may be labeled "persistently dangerous."
They also don't want to punish minority students for fear of being accused of "racial disparity" in punishment.
But they don't want to tolerate any misbehavior or been seen as weak- so they overreact to relatively minor infractions.
What a mess.
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Post by highmc2 on Nov 15, 2013 21:27:51 GMT -5
In your day, I imagine your High School had a rifle team. It most certainly did and with the rifles stored in the school In a perfect world for some, they would use them for firing squad practice on those deviants that would dare pop a bag in the cafeteria. Awwwwwwwww! |
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Post by highmc2 on Nov 15, 2013 21:35:42 GMT -5
As a parent I would never go along with school officials having the right to spank. It's amusing that many are in favor of corporal punishment in schools performed by the same school administrators that they generally declare as idiots. No corporal punishment by school officials unless in the case of self-defense, and just as much discretion should be used by parents. |
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Post by Foggy Dewhurst on Nov 15, 2013 22:23:11 GMT -5
this all starts at home. When they took corporal punishment of the schools, they lost control..
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Post by kemmer on Nov 15, 2013 23:24:01 GMT -5
Punishments are not harsh in Baltimore City Public Schools. Interim CEO Tisha Edwards stated that bringing a knife or firearm to school should not mean automatic expulsion. Plus there is pressure in this low performing district to keep suspensions down, official reason that suspended kids can't learn, but the reality is that disruptive, combative students ruin the learning environment for all in the class. Students can even assault a teacher, doing something that would be illegal out on the street, but in school nothing happens. How do I know this? Even teh Sun in the past has reported school assaults and my wife is a 15 year city special ed teacher. I think there are complex reasons behind the behaviors and that not sanctioning these behaviors is condoning them and encouraging them. I have heard that the reason is that they do not want to seem discriminatory because most of the offenses are committed by blacks. If blacks are caught more than their representation in the GENERAL US population (not the representation in the school population) then it is seen as racist. Go figure. There is some of that driving the "zero tolerance" policy-- fear of lawsuit. There is, also, the difficulty under federal "inclusion" law to document the seriously emotionally disturbed students who need special ed services. At least, that is true in Baltimore City which operated under a consent decree (poissibly still operates under it) to reduce the number of special ed students in the system. |
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