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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 15, 2013 16:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by redleg on Nov 15, 2013 18:36:07 GMT -5
Of course. Only The Puppet can change Puppettax. He's the only one with the power of the Executive Fiat.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 15, 2013 18:56:51 GMT -5
It won't get through the Senate. I doubt Reid will even let Landreu's bill come up. The Democrats are well and truly screwed on this. Their base exists in an alternate reality where Obamacare works, and is a boon to the country. Which means they're damned if they try to what they need to do to make it work. And the rest of the country has realized what a cluster-fick this is. Which means they're damned if they don't do anything to fix things. |
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Post by breakingbad on Nov 15, 2013 20:32:43 GMT -5
Morons. They need to just sit back and let the Democrats hoist themselves on their own pitards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 20:37:18 GMT -5
breakingbad you are correct. To think I used to be a Democrat. Of course when I joined it as a different era.
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Post by kemmer on Nov 16, 2013 0:58:05 GMT -5
It won't pass because it allows insurance companies to sell these policies on the open market, not just to people who already had them. That's the only way insurance companies could keep them as a viable product. (People move to other states; people get jobs with employer-coverage; people find other policies; people age-out into Medicare; people die. A "closed system" forbidding new purchasers cannot sustain insurance.)
Still, it's better than Landreau's "Thou Shalt Reinstate These Policies Because I SAID SO!" offering, which is clearly unconstitutional.
The whole Obamacare experiment depends upon everyone currently in the individual insurance market buying from the government exchanges. These are the people with money to pay the premiums, no pre-existing conditions (because they're already insured) and reasonably healthy life-styles.
After the 2014 election, the folks who currently have employer-paid insurance will be drawn into the exchanges, because their "you can keep your insurance" policies aren't really grandfathered in, either. At that point, Utopia will ARRIVE!
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Post by vosa on Nov 16, 2013 10:42:36 GMT -5
Methinks Utopia will be DOA.
The death spiral has begun and it's going to be a painful death.
Maybe next time San Fran Nan will advise her minions to read bills before they pass them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 12:30:09 GMT -5
If only the Repubs can stick to being smart. This is good strategy- and should have been followed day one after Obamacare passed. Find the flaws (no shortage there!) and pass bills to fix it. Make the Dems either break with President, or oppose it and get really blamed for the harm.
Even if Dems start passing fixes-- Repubs need to jump on that, too. Either way it exposes the idiocy of Obamacare- and will empower the Repubs.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 16, 2013 12:30:50 GMT -5
The whole Obamacare experiment depends upon everyone currently in the individual insurance market buying from the government exchanges. These are the people with money to pay the premiums, no pre-existing conditions (because they're already insured) and reasonably healthy life-styles. That is why, although he will not admit it, he will have to veto these bills. After the 2014 election, the folks who currently have employer-paid insurance will be drawn into the exchanges, because their "you can keep your insurance" policies aren't really grandfathered in, either. At that point, Utopia will ARRIVE! I believe I will call the state for which he reaches "Aipotu". |
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