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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 19, 2015 10:48:34 GMT -5
The NFL is investigating the Patriots' footballs to determine whether someone tampered with them between the point when officials examine and mark them and they are used for the games. A theory is that they were deflated slightly. ArticleIt wouldn't surprise me. Belichick is a known cheater. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 10:55:45 GMT -5
Sounds like sour grapes since the reporter who "broke" this story is from Indianapolis. And the story refers to the "weight" of the ball in question. Inflation isn't measured that way; it's measured by PSI and is checked with a pressure gauge.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 19, 2015 11:18:28 GMT -5
Might be sour grapes, but would anything surprise you about the Patriots trying to gain an edge with shady means? Their history and legacy is forever tainted by that.
Rather embarrassed that Bellicheat has Maryland roots...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 11:32:04 GMT -5
This story is based on nothing but tweets from an Indy reporter using an unidentified and uncorroborated source. And the major outlets which picked up on the story aren't exactly getting in touch with their inner Woodward and Bernstein to find out if there's any actual truth the story. They're basically recycling what they find on social media.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 19, 2015 12:00:03 GMT -5
Actually the NFL is taking it seriously enough to investigate. There was a point in the game where a ball was examined and removed from the game.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 19, 2015 12:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 13:55:26 GMT -5
Actually the NFL is taking it seriously enough to investigate. There was a point in the game where a ball was examined and removed from the game. This NFL has to investigate. Right now all we have is an uncorroborated story that has done nothing but perpetuate the storyline of the "cheating" Patriots whether it's accurate or not. And even if the league completely vindicates them, there will be those will still believe the story. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Jan 19, 2015 14:44:44 GMT -5
Brady the king of crying and cheating. Not surprised
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Post by shutout on Jan 19, 2015 18:24:43 GMT -5
Under inflated footballs did not assist with running the ball down the Colts throat.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 19, 2015 18:54:36 GMT -5
This NFL has to investigate. Right now all we have is an uncorroborated story that has done nothing but perpetuate the storyline of the "cheating" Patriots whether it's accurate or not. And even if the league completely vindicates them, there will be those will still believe the story. I'd imagine the league will vindicate them. This is the same league that hired a good friend of several owners to oversee what the league knew about the Ray Rice incident, after all. It's impossible for me to see how under inflating footballs could contribute materially to that victory. They couldn't have been substantially underinflated or the officials would have noticed that immediately. You put cheater in quotes as if Belichick wasn't discovered to actually be cheating, and had to pay a huge fine for doing it. It's my opinion that character forms in childhood and never changes; a man who cheats once will do so again if he reasonably believes he can escape detection. That doesn't mean he or the Patriots cheated this time, but he cheated once and he will wear that badge to his grave; they will wear it until he no longer coaches there. |
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Post by alienrace on Jan 19, 2015 20:10:31 GMT -5
Well certainly deflated balls aren't why the Colts lost. They were outclassed, pure and simple. You just have to wonder *why* the Patriots would even bother in a game where they were a very clear, prohibitive favorite.
Well apparently the accusation was made in the game, and a ball was removed from the game for testing. Ian Rappaport reported that it should be a couple of days before the league announces anything. There *is* some speculation that aside from the fine Bellichick would receive, there is potential to lose draft picks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 0:05:56 GMT -5
Well certainly deflated balls aren't why the Colts lost. They were outclassed, pure and simple. You just have to wonder *why* the Patriots would even bother in a game where they were a very clear, prohibitive favorite. Well apparently the accusation was made in the game, and a ball was removed from the game for testing. Ian Rappaport reported that it should be a couple of days before the league announces anything. There *is* some speculation that aside from the fine Bellichick would receive, there is potential to lose draft picks. I'd expect Eric Holder to get involved soon. 
You're right that deflated balls certainly did not determine the outcome. New England could have filled the balls with mercury and still won. I just find it very strange that this story was broken by an Indianapolis-based reporter citing an unnamed source within the league on a Twitter account. Given that the game was covered by scores of media from around the country, don't any of them also have sources within the NFL?
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Post by r686st on Jan 20, 2015 2:50:16 GMT -5
"If you cheat and lose, you're a cheater. If you cheat and win, you're "savvy"". (Cartman from "South Park")
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jan 20, 2015 6:43:36 GMT -5
This NFL has to investigate. Right now all we have is an uncorroborated story that has done nothing but perpetuate the storyline of the "cheating" Patriots whether it's accurate or not. And even if the league completely vindicates them, there will be those will still believe the story. I'd imagine the league will vindicate them. This is the same league that hired a good friend of several owners to oversee what the league knew about the Ray Rice incident, after all. It's impossible for me to see how under inflating footballs could contribute materially to that victory. They couldn't have been substantially underinflated or the officials would have noticed that immediately. You put cheater in quotes as if Belichick wasn't discovered to actually be cheating, and had to pay a huge fine for doing it. It's my opinion that character forms in childhood and never changes; a man who cheats once will do so again if he reasonably believes he can escape detection. That doesn't mean he or the Patriots cheated this time, but he cheated once and he will wear that badge to his grave; they will wear it until he no longer coaches there. So he is immediately guilty EY and when vindicated in the investigation, it's because the league is corrupt. Wow. You must be a Ravens fan. |
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 20, 2015 8:19:49 GMT -5
It's been said the ball that was intercepted by Jackson was checked on the Colts sideline. He said he felt the ball was deflated. Then the officials were notified about it at halftime and removed the ball to start the 2nd half.It made no difference in the game as it was but if the game were close it could have.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 20, 2015 12:10:58 GMT -5
So he is immediately guilty EY and when vindicated in the investigation, it's because the league is corrupt. Wow. You must be a Ravens fan. Never said that. I said he cheated once, and that's established fact. I offered my opinion that having cheated once he is untrusthworthy. I also offered my opinion that the league, if it wanted to be taken seriously, should not have hired a fellow who was good friends of several owners to investigate what it knew and when it knew it about the Ray Rice incident. And from that I inferred that truth matters less to the league than its public image. Please read for comprehension next time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 12:36:26 GMT -5
It's been said the ball that was intercepted by Jackson was checked on the Colts sideline. He said he felt the ball was deflated. Then the officials were notified about it at halftime and removed the ball to start the 2nd half.It made no difference in the game as it was but if the game were close it could have. I saw that, too, but you have to wonder how a defensive player who rarely handles the ball noticed something irregular with the ball, while the officials, who obviously handle it after every play, did not. |
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Post by alienrace on Jan 20, 2015 12:59:08 GMT -5
It's been said the ball that was intercepted by Jackson was checked on the Colts sideline. He said he felt the ball was deflated. Then the officials were notified about it at halftime and removed the ball to start the 2nd half.It made no difference in the game as it was but if the game were close it could have. I saw that, too, but you have to wonder how a defensive player who rarely handles the ball noticed something irregular with the ball, while the officials, who obviously handle it after every play, did not. He might have squeezed it. Officials just grab the ball and place it as quickly as possible. The amount of deflation might not be small enough that it's not easily noticed. |
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 20, 2015 15:28:45 GMT -5
The Colts ballboy noticed it when Jackson gave him the ball.He showed it to a coach who contacted the GM. The Gm called the league office who then talked to the officials at halftime.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 20, 2015 16:47:24 GMT -5
The Colts ballboy noticed it when Jackson gave him the ball.He showed it to a coach who contacted the GM. The Gm called the league office who then talked to the officials at halftime. I believe several balls were then confiscated at that point to be sent to the league. I'm sure they'll say "it was the weather conditions" that caused the pressure in them to drop, lol  Anything to save face before the Super Bowl. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 0:19:53 GMT -5
What looks bad for New England right now is Belichick's claim that he "didn't know anything about it" until Monday morning when he clearly knew by halftime Sunday.
What's rather ironic, however, is that Phil Simms interviewed Aaron Rodgers before the Green Bay-New England regular-season game and said the Packer quarterback admitted that he preferred balls that were slightly over-inflated
"I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it."
No one is claiming that Aaron Rodgers is a cheat, but does anyone remember the NFL launching an investigation into Packer game balls? |
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Post by biteme on Jan 21, 2015 2:39:53 GMT -5
So now they are saying 11 of the 12 were deflated. Ravens are now saying the kick balls were under inflated too. If they did it once who's to say they havent done it before?
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Post by alienrace on Jan 21, 2015 9:53:42 GMT -5
So now they are saying 11 of the 12 were deflated. Ravens are now saying the kick balls were under inflated too. If they did it once who's to say they havent done it before? Yup, where there is smoke, there is fire. The word of the day...TAINTED. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 21, 2015 11:58:43 GMT -5
No one is claiming that Aaron Rodgers is a cheat, but does anyone remember the NFL launching an investigation into Packer game balls? Maybe they will, now. Silly of him to admit to breaking the rules, wouldn't you agree? Belichick will wear a cheater's badge forever. That might mean people take a closer look at what his team does. That's the price he pays for his past. One thing's sure: the league has sent or will soon send a memo to all the officials requiring them to measure the balls more carefully henceforth. My guess is that until now the procedure has been something like "if the ball looks and feels right approve it". And that no one really guarded the balls against tampering between when they're marked and when they're used. I'd expect both things to change. Or... the league will simply supply the game balls itself. |
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Post by alienrace on Jan 21, 2015 15:04:01 GMT -5
This thing is getting uglier by the moment. espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12205179/if-allegations-prove-true-new-england-patriots-arrogance-consequencesSome pretty harsh words were being spoken on ESPN while I was eating my lunch. Mike Greenberg even suggested that Bellichick might have just cheated himself out of HOF consideration. Made a lot of Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens comparisons. Many are saying that Bellichick might wind up being suspended next season, as Sean Payton was, and that the Patriots could face very stiff team penalties as far as losing draft picks, salary cap space, etc. One thing is for sure - the NFL isn't, and can't afford to take this lightly, especially given the Patriots prior history of being cheaters. |
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