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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 12:20:41 GMT -5
I don't know, is it? What does that have to do with my query? I'm referring to Christianity, not some radical offshoot of Islam. Also, if they are organized where are their headquarters? Do they have a web site? Oh sorry, I thought we were just talking about all organized religions. I really don't know much about the Taliban. I just threw that name out there. To me to represent radical crazy violent strange religions. There is many examples of them all over the world it seems like. There's even some Christian sects I imagine. Just human nature. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 12:21:09 GMT -5
I don't know, is it? What does that have to do with my query? I'm referring to Christianity, not some radical offshoot of Islam. Also, if they are organized where are their headquarters? Do they have a web site? Oh sorry, I thought we were just talking about all organized religions. Yes, that's correct. So what are your thoughts about my questions? |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 12:22:54 GMT -5
Oh sorry, I thought we were just talking about all organized religions. Yes, that's correct. So what are your thoughts about my questions? Sorry about that, a little bit confused can you ask the question again? Is quotation things on our posts are confusing at times |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 13:02:59 GMT -5
Yes, that's correct. So what are your thoughts about my questions? Sorry about that, a little bit confused can you ask the question again? Is quotation things on our posts are confusing at times You stated that religions should not be organized, so I asked: What about the Sacraments? No organization could be bad news for souls in need of prayers and salvation. For example, the Catholic Church and Protestant offshoots all have an organization structure which helps them to carry out their missions. How would they do this without organization? Also, I'm not sure the Taliban is "organized." There is no listing for "Taliban, Inc." on Main Street in Little Rock, Arkansas. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 13:06:23 GMT -5
Sorry about that, a little bit confused can you ask the question again? Is quotation things on our posts are confusing at times You stated that religions should not be organized, so I asked: What about the Sacraments? No organization could be bad news for souls in need of prayers and salvation. For example, the Catholic Church and Protestant offshoots all have an organization structure which helps them to carry out their missions. How would they do this without organization? Also, I'm not sure the Taliban is "organized." There is no listing for "Taliban, Inc." on Main Street in Little Rock, Arkansas. This is an interesting question. How did our gods expect the word to travel. For instance Jesus appeared in Israel only. He never went to any other parts of the world. And in those days there was no communications between people. How did Jesus expect the Indians in North America for to learn about his word, for an example? |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:24:11 GMT -5
Source: Interesting. In many ways it is a surprise that this did not happen sooner, given that secularism, long ago, gelded Christianity to a mere religion of the cafeteria variety (i.e. rather than scriptural commandment from a 'higher' authority, it has become a 'I do what I want and how I want it' lifestyle choice that plays a second fiddle to one's secular lifestyle choices). It would be interesting to know if decline in 'typical Sunday congregations' has been varied or continuous, in regards to rate, as a function of time and the factors that have been correlative. A true religion is not organized . One would disagree with such a blanket statement. Of course, one is also curious as to what you mean by 'true' as per your usage of the term in your post. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:26:06 GMT -5
The Taliban is a religious organization isn't it? I don't know, is it? What does that have to do with my query? I'm referring to Christianity, not some radical offshoot of Islam. Also, if they are organized where are their headquarters? Do they have a web site? What does the Taliban have to do with a 'radical offshoot of Islam?' |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 13:29:22 GMT -5
You stated that religions should not be organized, so I asked: What about the Sacraments? No organization could be bad news for souls in need of prayers and salvation. For example, the Catholic Church and Protestant offshoots all have an organization structure which helps them to carry out their missions. How would they do this without organization? Also, I'm not sure the Taliban is "organized." There is no listing for "Taliban, Inc." on Main Street in Little Rock, Arkansas. This is an interesting question. How did our gods expect the word to travel. For instance Jesus appeared in Israel only. He never went to any other parts of the world. And in those days there was no communications between people. How did Jesus expect the Indians in North America for to learn about his word, for an example? God (singular) used the Apostles and Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition to spread the word to every continent. Once the colonization of other areas commenced after the death and resurrection of Jesus these same apostles and their successors continued evangelizing throughout the world. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 13:30:49 GMT -5
I don't know, is it? What does that have to do with my query? I'm referring to Christianity, not some radical offshoot of Islam. Also, if they are organized where are their headquarters? Do they have a web site? What does the Taliban have to do with a 'radical offshoot of Islam?' Because the Taliban are Muslim. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 13:33:05 GMT -5
I don't know, is it? What does that have to do with my query? I'm referring to Christianity, not some radical offshoot of Islam. Also, if they are organized where are their headquarters? Do they have a web site? What does the Taliban have to do with a 'radical offshoot of Islam?' Explain.... |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 13:35:20 GMT -5
This is an interesting question. How did our gods expect the word to travel. For instance Jesus appeared in Israel only. He never went to any other parts of the world. And in those days there was no communications between people. How did Jesus expect the Indians in North America for to learn about his word, for an example? God (singular) used the Apostles and Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition to spread the word to every continent. Once the colonization of other areas commenced after the death and resurrection of Jesus these same apostles and their successors continued evangelizing throughout the world. It doesn't seem like the most efficient system ever. There's probably people today that still don't know about the Christian religion. Sometimes it seems way too exclusive. The Jesus only showed up in one area the world. Why didn't god send many sons all over the world to spread his word? And why Israel? To like in those days China was a much larger and more important area. For one example. Or Egypt even. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:38:14 GMT -5
What does the Taliban have to do with a 'radical offshoot of Islam?' Because the Taliban are Muslim. They are indeed Muslim, but the question referred to the specific phraseology of 'radical offshoot of Islam.' |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 13:41:49 GMT -5
Because the Taliban are Muslim. They are indeed Muslim, but the question referred to the specific phraseology of 'radical offshoot of Islam.' Haha I get it. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:43:14 GMT -5
What does the Taliban have to do with a 'radical offshoot of Islam?' Explain.... There is nothing 'radical' or an 'offshoot' when it comes to the Taliban and Islam. Islam makes for an interesting juxtaposition when compared to the gelded Christianity of the West. Compare the dying Christianity of the West, reduced to a mere 'I do what I want' when compared to the much more broadly held and Qur'aniclly correct view of the Qur'an as the literal word of Allah. Islam has, thus far, proven to be much more resilient to the encroachment of the secular 'civil religion' then has Christianity. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 13:43:22 GMT -5
Because the Taliban are Muslim. They are indeed Muslim, but the question referred to the specific phraseology of 'radical offshoot of Islam.' They don't subscribe to the same tenants as mainstream Muslims. For example, they don't have public worship spaces as Muslims have mosques, or a visitor center in NYC. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:44:50 GMT -5
They are indeed Muslim, but the question referred to the specific phraseology of 'radical offshoot of Islam.' Haha I get it. 'Radical,' 'extremist,' etc. are relative terms in the sense that the views, ideology, actions of the subject are being provided with respect to (a typically unstated) frame of reference. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 13:45:14 GMT -5
God (singular) used the Apostles and Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition to spread the word to every continent. Once the colonization of other areas commenced after the death and resurrection of Jesus these same apostles and their successors continued evangelizing throughout the world. It doesn't seem like the most efficient system ever. There's probably people today that still don't know about the Christian religion. Sometimes it seems way too exclusive. The Jesus only showed up in one area the world. Why didn't god send many sons all over the world to spread his word? And why Israel? To like in those days China was a much larger and more important area. For one example. Or Egypt even. Sorry, but I disagree. Christianity is the most efficient system for spreading the word. That's why we have a completely unbroken line of apostles back to the time Jesus walked the earth; that's what I call organization. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 13:50:07 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like the most efficient system ever. There's probably people today that still don't know about the Christian religion. Sometimes it seems way too exclusive. The Jesus only showed up in one area the world. Why didn't god send many sons all over the world to spread his word? And why Israel? To like in those days China was a much larger and more important area. For one example. Or Egypt even. Sorry, but I disagree. Christianity is the most efficient system for spreading the word. That's why we have a completely unbroken line of apostles back to the time Jesus walked the earth; that's what I call organization. Ok that's kinda true. It's kind of interesting too. Seems like Europeans kind of took over the religion and made it their religion. Jesus even started having blue eyes and blond hair! |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:52:39 GMT -5
They are indeed Muslim, but the question referred to the specific phraseology of 'radical offshoot of Islam.' They don't subscribe to the same tenants as mainstream Muslims. For example, they don't have public worship spaces as Muslims have mosques, or a visitor center in NYC. What are the characteristics of 'mainstream Muslims' as you see them? Islam, by its inherent nature is not a 'private' religion. Instead it is an inherently social religion with very limited separation between the private and the public (the caveat being the historical bifurcation between the caliph and the ulamah). With the Taliban, there is significant representation of the Islamic clergy (e.g. the mullahs) and with the entire casus belli and raison d'etre for the organization being deeply grounded within a religious basis. The Taliban, however, are (Afghan and Pakistani) not a religious sect (they are more akin to the crusaders of yore). Their support for the mosques comes through either a direct role (as mullahs) or by means of the zakat. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 13:55:47 GMT -5
Sorry, but I disagree. Christianity is the most efficient system for spreading the word. That's why we have a completely unbroken line of apostles back to the time Jesus walked the earth; that's what I call organization. Ok that's kinda true. It's kind of interesting too. Seems like Europeans kind of took over the religion and made it their religion. Jesus even started having blue eyes and blond hair! It was actually the Romans that made the religion their own (coupled with a significant use of force to stamp out the pagan religions that had existed previously). The breadth and scope of Roman influence, during the Empire, on Europe, both through the holding of territory and culturally, can not be understated. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 14:04:24 GMT -5
Ok that's kinda true. It's kind of interesting too. Seems like Europeans kind of took over the religion and made it their religion. Jesus even started having blue eyes and blond hair! It was actually the Romans that made the religion their own (coupled with a significant use of force to stamp out the pagan religions that had existed previously). The breadth and scope of Roman influence, during the Empire, on Europe, both through the holding of territory and culturally, can not be understated. Interesting. I need to go back and look at history and the time dates I get a little bit mixed up at times. Thanks again as always. |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 14:42:34 GMT -5
It was actually the Romans that made the religion their own (coupled with a significant use of force to stamp out the pagan religions that had existed previously). The breadth and scope of Roman influence, during the Empire, on Europe, both through the holding of territory and culturally, can not be understated. Interesting. I need to go back and look at history and the time dates I get a little bit mixed up at times. Thanks again as always. My pleasure, my friend. History is absolutely fascinating for what we can learn from it and for understanding why certain 'things,' now, are as they are. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 25, 2013 14:52:50 GMT -5
Interesting. I need to go back and look at history and the time dates I get a little bit mixed up at times. Thanks again as always. My pleasure, my friend. History is absolutely fascinating for what we can learn from it and for understanding why certain 'things,' now, are as they are. I agree so much. Actually the wonderfulness of the collective human intelligence is pretty amazing. I have a lot of fun with it.   |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 25, 2013 14:53:32 GMT -5
They don't subscribe to the same tenants as mainstream Muslims. For example, they don't have public worship spaces as Muslims have mosques, or a visitor center in NYC. What are the characteristics of 'mainstream Muslims' as you see them? Islam, by its inherent nature is not a 'private' religion. Instead it is an inherently social religion with very limited separation between the private and the public (the caveat being the historical bifurcation between the caliph and the ulamah). With the Taliban, there is significant representation of the Islamic clergy (e.g. the mullahs) and with the entire casus belli and raison d'etre for the organization being deeply grounded within a religious basis. The Taliban, however, are (Afghan and Pakistani) not a religious sect (they are more akin to the crusaders of yore). Their support for the mosques comes through either a direct role (as mullahs) or by means of the zakat. Thank you, but what is their mailing address? Do they have a local branch in the DC metro area? |
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 25, 2013 15:03:32 GMT -5
What are the characteristics of 'mainstream Muslims' as you see them? Islam, by its inherent nature is not a 'private' religion. Instead it is an inherently social religion with very limited separation between the private and the public (the caveat being the historical bifurcation between the caliph and the ulamah). With the Taliban, there is significant representation of the Islamic clergy (e.g. the mullahs) and with the entire casus belli and raison d'etre for the organization being deeply grounded within a religious basis. The Taliban, however, are (Afghan and Pakistani) not a religious sect (they are more akin to the crusaders of yore). Their support for the mosques comes through either a direct role (as mullahs) or by means of the zakat. Thank you, but what is their mailing address? Do they have a local branch in the DC metro area? You can contact the heroic and legitimate Afghan Taliban through the following. If they do have a local branch in the DC metro, you can bet your last dollar that the 'civil religion' state is hellbent on oppressing, suppressing, depressing, regressing and annihilating it. |
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