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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 14, 2015 17:12:03 GMT -5
Baltimore Ravens
1-4, 4th in AFC Northern Division
Sunday, October 18, 4:25 PM on CBS
Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California
Baltimore
Ravens
(1-4)
San Francisco
49ers
(1-4)
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 14, 2015 18:47:29 GMT -5
Difficult to predict. Despite their poor showings, the Ravens are favored by one, which tells us how bad the 49ers are. I thought their saving grace last week would be that the Browns were terrible against the rush and the Ravens had a good rushing game. But I failed to realize that the Ravens are terrible against... well, pretty much everything. They have no pass defense to speak of, and later in the game their rush defense was even suspect.
If the 49ers let Kap carry the ball they're idiots. Their game plan has to be to make him pass until the Ravens stop them. And they won't be able to.
I'm guessing they hold for three quarters and then another fourth quarter collapse, for a loss. If Harbs could get a full game out of both units that would be a big improvement. Special teams probably won't screw up, but they won't accomplish much of note, either.
Ravens 28
49ers 34
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 20:20:50 GMT -5
This game should be a real ratings bonanza for the networks.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 15, 2015 9:26:34 GMT -5
with our suck to the wall defense , its hard to call
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 18, 2015 9:12:02 GMT -5
Game day...
Hope our defense doesn't embarrasse itself again.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 9:57:26 GMT -5
There's a certain detachment in understanding that the sights must be set on next year, and these games don't matter.  |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 18:36:34 GMT -5
Hope our defense doesn't embarrasse itself again. So much for that hope. And today, the offense took the first half off. Not only did they lose, but they looked very bad doing it. The defense never looked good against a team that's been struggling and had the same record. The offense looked very pedestrian much of the game; there was a good drive late, but they committed darn near every mistake possible. I'm beginning to wonder if Pittsburgh will finish the season wondering how they provided the Ravens with their only win, because I just don't see them winning again. They looked that bad. No one... NO ONE... on the defense can tackle reliably. The offensive line, touted as elite, is wildly inconsistent. All receivers not named Steve Smith suck. They got some good play out of various tight ends, but that's not going to get it done. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 18:46:03 GMT -5
Monroe and Osemele didn't knock themselves out getting up to the line of scrimmage on that last drive. Losing is one thing, but lack of effort can't be tolerated.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 18:57:36 GMT -5
Monroe and Osemele didn't knock themselves out getting up to the line of scrimmage on that last drive. Losing is one thing, but lack of effort can't be tolerated. Do you think Harbaugh has lost the locker room? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 19:31:03 GMT -5
Monroe and Osemele didn't knock themselves out getting up to the line of scrimmage on that last drive. Losing is one thing, but lack of effort can't be tolerated. Do you think Harbaugh has lost the locker room? Difficult to say, but if you remember when Billick ultimately lost the team, there are some unmistakable parallels. |
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Post by highmc2 on Oct 18, 2015 19:40:36 GMT -5
Monroe and Osemele didn't knock themselves out getting up to the line of scrimmage on that last drive. Losing is one thing, but lack of effort can't be tolerated. Do you think Harbaugh has lost the locker room? Lost the locker room to whom? Who are the leaders on the team that will take the locker room? Flacco? There are not any Ray's or Ed's on this team, especially without Suggs. It's more about lack of depth and talent. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 19:56:41 GMT -5
Lost the locker room to whom? Who are the leaders on the team that will take the locker room? Flacco? There are not any Ray's or Ed's on this team, especially without Suggs. Does someone have to take it? Could he lose it and no one has it? It certainly seems like the team completely lacks leadership at this point. |
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Post by highmc2 on Oct 18, 2015 20:39:10 GMT -5
Lost the locker room to whom? Who are the leaders on the team that will take the locker room? Flacco? There are not any Ray's or Ed's on this team, especially without Suggs. Does someone have to take it? Could he lose it and no one has it? It certainly seems like the team completely lacks leadership at this point. I just don't buy it from a coaching leadership perspective. Lack of talent and depth in the secondary, one dimensional LB's, and WR's that lack separation speed have led to losses more then Harbaugh. I would blame the salary cap mistakes for the lack of quality depth more then coaching leadership for the current state of affairs. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 20:48:03 GMT -5
I just don't buy it from a coaching leadership perspective. Lack of talent and depth in the secondary, one dimensional LB's, and WR's that lack separation speed have led to losses more then Harbaugh. I would blame the salary cap mistakes for the lack of quality depth more then coaching leadership for the current state of affairs. I saw a lack of effort near the end of the game, when more effort might have changed the outcome. That's motivation and coaching. Or, more precisely, the lack of those things. The team is packed full of bad players, there's no doubt about that. Some people in the front office made mistakes, and maybe this is a cap jail year thanks to the Rice and Ngata dead money. Why Ozzie can't draft wide receivers is a big mystery to me, but he can't; he's drawn a beer hand again this year in Perriman. They need help all over the field, and they need to figure out how and why that happened. But lack of effort is still a coaching problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 21:12:19 GMT -5
Harbaugh isn't going anywhere, and even if he did, he wouldn't remain unemployed for long. Kubiak was sacked in Houston, came here for a year, and then Denver came calling. Ditto Trestman, who lasted about as long as a banana on a window sill in Chicago.
What I do see from Harbaugh is a touch of desperation. That challenge on the Boldin catch was silly; there was nothing definitive from any replay shown (at least on television) to suggest that it was anything other than a catch. But I think it was an indication of Harbaugh having no faith in the defense, so he rolled the dice and hoped for the best on a challenge. It's like a baseball manager who plays for the big inning rather than just one run because he doesn't have enough confidence in his pitching to hold a slim lead.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2015 21:49:31 GMT -5
I doubt he's going anywhere, either. Maybe not even if they go 1-15, which I now see as a possibility (but I think 4-12 is where they'll actually finish). He's been a winning coach for years, and they've given him no talent on defense to work with, and no wide outs except Steve Smith. I just wonder what the lack of hustle implies. Do the players think the season is already over, and if so, that effort put towards winning is wasted? If they do, that's a problem a coach has to fix.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 23:27:11 GMT -5
I doubt he's going anywhere, either. Maybe not even if they go 1-15, which I now see as a possibility (but I think 4-12 is where they'll actually finish). He's been a winning coach for years, and they've given him no talent on defense to work with, and no wide outs except Steve Smith. I just wonder what the lack of hustle implies. Do the players think the season is already over, and if so, that effort put towards winning is wasted? If they do, that's a problem a coach has to fix. This is the first time Harbaugh has really had to deal with this type of adversity, so it will be interesting to see how he responds. When Harbaugh first got here, he didn't have to worry about creating a team identity; that was already provided by guys such as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Now that they're gone, it's up to Harbaugh to forge a new identity for the team.
Look at New England. I know you don't like them, but you can tell that Belichick is in complete control of that team. On the field, they rarely beat themselves. And after tonight's game, one of those useless sideline reporters was trying to bait LeGarrette Blount and some other guy into admitting that this was a revenge game after Deflategate, yet neither would bite. As I said, a lot of people don't like them, but there's no denying how disciplined they are, and that starts with Belichick.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 19, 2015 0:01:14 GMT -5
Bad display today, i guess we don't tackle anymore.
give it up, go for the draft picks
one bad season won't threaten harbs, not after record breaking playoff runs and a SB
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 19, 2015 7:36:10 GMT -5
This is the first time Harbaugh has really had to deal with this type of adversity, so it will be interesting to see how he responds. When Harbaugh first got here, he didn't have to worry about creating a team identity; that was already provided by guys such as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Now that they're gone, it's up to Harbaugh to forge a new identity for the team. Jarrett Johnson, on the radio, said this is the time when coaches identify the players around which they'll rebuild. Those being the guys still playing hard. His assertion was that there are eight to ten such players who will stand out because they remain hungry even in the face of a disastrous season. Look at New England. I know you don't like them, but you can tell that Belichick is in complete control of that team. On the field, they rarely beat themselves. And after tonight's game, one of those useless sideline reporters was trying to bait LeGarrette Blount and some other guy into admitting that this was a revenge game after Deflategate, yet neither would bite. As I said, a lot of people don't like them, but there's no denying how disciplined they are, and that starts with Belichick. What I dislike is cheating, and bad sportsmanship, wherever I see it. And I see it up there in New England. But I am an unforgiving sort; the stink of misbehavior is indelible for me. Others have a greater tolerance for it than I do. I'm over fifty and still cannot decide if I am right, or they are, but I know my nature is unlikely to change. But there is no doubt that Belichick is an excellent coach, and probably will one day enter Canton. And as you say, he maintains excellent team discipline. Before this, the Ravens may have gotten their team discipline from guys like Lewis and Reed (whom Lewis trained in many ways), and now there is no on field source (it's interesting that we used to see shots of Lewis and Reed on the sidelines leading the team even when they were hurt. If Suggs is on the sidelines anywhere, I have not seen that). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 0:32:04 GMT -5
Bad display today, i guess we don't tackle anymore. give it up, go for the draft picks one bad season won't threaten harbs, not after record breaking playoff runs and a SB The Colts fired Weeb Ewbank just three years after he won a second consecutive NFL championship. Weeb had built the Colts into a powerhouse, and he was obviously a good coach, but it didn't take long for him to lose control of the team. And when a coach loses control, the team tends to die on him.
No, I don't think Harbaugh's in any immediate trouble, but that Super Bowl win was three years ago. That's a lifetime in the NFL.
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