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Post by up2 on Oct 26, 2013 8:14:32 GMT -5
While I understand the sentiments of turning your back on friends, you would be sorely mistaken to believe any one of those countries in the Middle East are our friends. Furthermore, their cultural philosophy is based on the maxim: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Not exactly solid ground to forge a friendship.
I normally don't participate much in Nationals, too time consuming and oftentimes an exercise in futility - arguments among deaf people - everyone shouting and no one listening. But... since the board is new, we need to get some critical mass in motion.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 26, 2013 8:47:13 GMT -5
While I understand the sentiments of turning your back on friends, you would be sorely mistaken to believe any one of those countries in the Middle East are our friends. Furthermore, their cultural philosophy is based on the maxim: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Not exactly solid ground to forge a friendship. I normally don't participate much in Nationals, too time consuming and oftentimes an exercise in futility - arguments among deaf people - everyone shouting and no one listening. But... since the board is new, we need to get some critical mass in motion. Looking for a bit of inertia eh up2? Don't panic everyone, I haven't signed up, it seems that guests are allowed to post to the forum as well for the moment. (smiley rights too )
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Post by niamhaine on Oct 26, 2013 8:58:40 GMT -5
The Middle East was, and remains, such a volatile area. IMHO, we're there for the resources, and we are a source of income for the Saudis. Is that a true friendship or a mutual business relationship? Sorry, but the Middle East is like doing a continual flaming torch dance around a massive powder keg with no solutions in sight. Not faring so well with the Europeans at the moment either. Nothing says brotherly love/trust like monitoring the phone calls of the heads of state of some of your closest allies. I steer clear of politics, religion, and policies because folks can get rabid quickly. Maybe it will be a new dawn, one can only hope.
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Post by niamhaine on Oct 26, 2013 9:03:14 GMT -5
While I understand the sentiments of turning your back on friends, you would be sorely mistaken to believe any one of those countries in the Middle East are our friends. Furthermore, their cultural philosophy is based on the maxim: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Not exactly solid ground to forge a friendship. I normally don't participate much in Nationals, too time consuming and oftentimes an exercise in futility - arguments among deaf people - everyone shouting and no one listening. But... since the board is new, we need to get some critical mass in motion. Looking for a bit of inertia eh up2? Don't panic everyone, I haven't signed up, it seems that guests are allowed to post to the forum as well for the moment. (smiley rights too ) You have every right to be here and voice your opinion. We look forward to our "Britman" in the mix.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 26, 2013 9:16:28 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them.
We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy.
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Post by Moses on Oct 26, 2013 14:03:28 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them. We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy. Do you think the oil left in America is easily accessible and plentiful?
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Post by leon on Oct 26, 2013 14:07:24 GMT -5
I'd love to be rid US involvement in the mid east, nothing but trouble.
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Post by Moses on Oct 26, 2013 14:11:07 GMT -5
And why is the choice oil or caves ? I don't remember any stories of anyone living in caves, even before oil became our drug of choice.
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Oct 26, 2013 14:27:01 GMT -5
Don't panic everyone, I haven't signed up, it seems that guests are allowed to post to the forum as well for the moment. (smiley rights too ) Thank you for the heads up. I did not realize that was possible. I think I just fixed that, because we don't want any spammers polluting this place. Please go ahead and sign up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 15:10:27 GMT -5
Don't panic everyone, I haven't signed up, it seems that guests are allowed to post to the forum as well for the moment. (smiley rights too ) Thank you for the heads up. I did not realize that was possible. I think I just fixed that, because we don't want any spammers polluting this place. Please go ahead and sign up. I like the badge!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 15:12:43 GMT -5
While I understand the sentiments of turning your back on friends, you would be sorely mistaken to believe any one of those countries in the Middle East are our friends. Furthermore, their cultural philosophy is based on the maxim: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Not exactly solid ground to forge a friendship. I normally don't participate much in Nationals, too time consuming and oftentimes an exercise in futility - arguments among deaf people - everyone shouting and no one listening. But... since the board is new, we need to get some critical mass in motion. No nation is really the friend of another....the whole Mid-East thing is a powder keg. I say we frak our way to oil independence, and cut them all loose.
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Post by Moses on Oct 26, 2013 16:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 20:26:03 GMT -5
Nothing is free! Dependency on Saudis....or fracking. I go with fracking.
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Post by dsummoner on Oct 27, 2013 6:42:24 GMT -5
The foreign policy buffoonery of the Obaregime is buffoonery without end.
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Post by segram99 on Oct 27, 2013 7:46:43 GMT -5
The foreign policy buffoonery of the Obaregime is buffoonery without end. Without end is correct. Our country will be paying for his ineptness long after we are gone. Particularly sad and tragic for our grandchildren.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 27, 2013 9:08:03 GMT -5
I'd love to be rid US involvement in the mid east, nothing but trouble. It is accessible as long as prices remain about where they are. If prices drop it becomes inaccessible. That's why a real energy strategy is multifaceted: work with the oil we have for as long as it is economical to get at it, develop alternative energy sources (wind, solar, geothermal, fusion), reinvigorate nuclear energy as a power source, develop more efficient devices (such as LED lighting and high SEER furnaces and water heaters). What won't work is any strategy that requires people to live more poorly than they do now. That, modern America will reject.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 10:15:51 GMT -5
Our 'friends' the Saudis. They're a repressive, somewhat theocratic, monarchy with the one saving grace of not being the worst thing in the middle east or even in Saudi Arabia itself.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 27, 2013 16:22:56 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them. We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy. Yep. That pretty much sums up the situation. According to some people, there's enough oil and natural gas here in the US to drastically reduce OPEC's influence on the market. There's not much else of value in the middle east. Perhaps we can lower the price of oil to the point where we can re-impoverish the ME, and reduce their ability to fund their global jihad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 18:46:46 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them. We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy. Yep. That pretty much sums up the situation. According to some people, there's enough oil and natural gas here in the US to drastically reduce OPEC's influence on the market. There's not much else of value in the middle east. Perhaps we can lower the price of oil to the point where we can re-impoverish the ME, and reduce their ability to fund their global jihad. Like I said-- frak away!! We'd be much better off.
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Post by Moses on Oct 27, 2013 19:08:36 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them. We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy. Yep. That pretty much sums up the situation. According to some people, there's enough oil and natural gas here in the US to drastically reduce OPEC's influence on the market. There's not much else of value in the middle east. Perhaps we can lower the price of oil to the point where we can re-impoverish the ME, and reduce their ability to fund their global jihad. You know if the oil was here and easy we would if already drilled it. Where are these secret oil deposits?
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 27, 2013 19:16:46 GMT -5
Yep. That pretty much sums up the situation. According to some people, there's enough oil and natural gas here in the US to drastically reduce OPEC's influence on the market. There's not much else of value in the middle east. Perhaps we can lower the price of oil to the point where we can re-impoverish the ME, and reduce their ability to fund their global jihad. You know if the oil was here and easy we would if already drilled it. Where are these secret oil deposits? On government controlled land where Obama won't let them drill for it.
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Post by Moses on Oct 27, 2013 19:35:46 GMT -5
You know if the oil was here and easy we would if already drilled it. Where are these secret oil deposits? On government controlled land where Obama won't let them drill for it. Be more specific. Where? And Obama ? How does that work? were they drilling there before Obama was elected? I imagine you are talking wilderness areas and national parks . Most Americans are against drilling there.
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Post by douger on Oct 28, 2013 8:55:14 GMT -5
We buy oil from the Saudis. That should, in my opinion, be the limit of our association with them. We have no proper role in deciding the outcome of internecine conflict in that part of the world. It's always simmering. The way we stabilize our energy issues is to develop our own sources, both domestic petroleum (shut up, Al Gore) and alternatives. The greens are going to have to decide which they like less: oil or nuclear. 'Cause ain't nobody going back into caves to make them happy. Do you think the oil left in America is easily accessible and plentiful? Plentiful, yes. Easily accessible? Sort of, kind of.
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Post by douger on Oct 28, 2013 9:00:16 GMT -5
On government controlled land where Obama won't let them drill for it. Be more specific. Where? And Obama ? How does that work? were they drilling there before Obama was elected? I imagine you are talking wilderness areas and national parks . Most Americans are against drilling there. Does offshore sites count?
Something a little more up to date.I remember a judge overturning Obama's 2010 drilling ban. I don't know whether it was reinstated or not.
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