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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 10, 2016 15:45:25 GMT -5
Brock Osweiler has left Denver to join Texas, leaving the Broncos with NO quarterbacks, and me with the expectation that Kubiak will be looking for work in '17 or '18. Don't come back here, Gary. Article |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 22:29:46 GMT -5
Denver won a Super Bowl last month with a very ordinary Manning, and their defense still figures to be very good, so I don't think they should be written off just yet. They could go after a reclamation project like Colin Kaepernick or RGIII, or perhaps draft a quarterback with plans to make him their immediate starter. John Elway is very secure in his job, so he isn't going to make any type of desperation move.
Losing Osweiler is a blow, but four years and $72 million is a bit of a stretch for a guy with all of seven career starts. Plus, Osweiler was reportedly miffed at being benched last season, so it appears he was just looking for someone else to come a courtin'. Denver still has to try and get Von Miller under contract long-term, and $18 million per annum for Osweiler certainly wouldn't have helped achieve that goal.
This is what happens when there are teams with fathoms worth of room under the salary cap. They throw money at the unproven and the non-elite. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 11, 2016 16:06:16 GMT -5
It's true about their defense, assuming they can sign Miller, and it's true that defense is more valuable than offense because it travels better. But without a quarterback I believe they will struggle. I just don't think III or Kap will be enough to win football games even if their defense rivals the Ravens 2000 defense. And it won't be that good. They will probably resign Miller; I suspect if he wanted to go, he would be gone by now - 29 other teams would love to have him, and quite a few of them can afford him.
Some teams are perennially poorly run. The Browns are an example. The Texans appear to be, as well. For a long time, that was Oakland but they just might be course correcting after a decade or so of awful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 0:07:55 GMT -5
It's true about their defense, assuming they can sign Miller, and it's true that defense is more valuable than offense because it travels better. But without a quarterback I believe they will struggle. I just don't think III or Kap will be enough to win football games even if their defense rivals the Ravens 2000 defense. And it won't be that good. They will probably resign Miller; I suspect if he wanted to go, he would be gone by now - 29 other teams would love to have him, and quite a few of them can afford him. Some teams are perennially poorly run. The Browns are an example. The Texans appear to be, as well. For a long time, that was Oakland but they just might be course correcting after a decade or so of awful. The Browns used the exclusive franchise tag on Miller, which prevents him from even entertaining outside offers. It's rare for a team to use the exclusive tag, but it has happened on occasion. The Ravens used it on Suggs a while back.
Denver has traded for Marc Sanchez from the Eagles, but it's hard to imagine them being finished as far as quarterback shopping. Sanchez will most likely be a backup to whomever ultimately assumes the starting job.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 12, 2016 11:27:58 GMT -5
I assume you meant Denver used the exclusive tag. That seems... dumb. Guys want to turn a Superbowl victory into cash, especially since Miller was a big part of it. So what they're doing is trading his services this year for him being possibly po'ed enough to hit the road next year. Especially if they don't do well, which would corrode his value. Maybe they think he's year to year at this point. It's true the franchise tag comes with a generous salary, but it does not come with a big guaranteed bonus.
It's hard to imagine Sanchez backing up III. Maybe Kap. We'll see, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 16:44:46 GMT -5
I assume you meant Denver used the exclusive tag. That seems... dumb. Guys want to turn a Superbowl victory into cash, especially since Miller was a big part of it. So what they're doing is trading his services this year for him being possibly po'ed enough to hit the road next year. Especially if they don't do well, which would corrode his value. Maybe they think he's year to year at this point. It's true the franchise tag comes with a generous salary, but it does not come with a big guaranteed bonus. It's hard to imagine Sanchez backing up III. Maybe Kap. We'll see, I guess. Miller will get $14.1 million this year with the exclusive tag, which is a pretty handsome arrangement no matter how you slice it. There's no limit to how many times a team may franchise a player. but a player who signs his tender still has until July 15 to come to terms on a long-term contract with his current team; otherwise, he has to play the coming season under the franchise tag. The difference is, should the Broncos and Miller not be able to come to terms again, Miller would receive either the designated compensation under the tag, or 120 percent of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Players who have been well-compensated previously rarely get the tag again.
The Ravens franchised Suggs in two successive years, but then came to terms on a long-term deal before he had to play under the tag a second season.
The exclusive tag isn't frequently used, but I guess Denver wanted to make sure that no one else even had a sniff at Miller. Had they used the non-exclusive tag (like the Ravens used on Justin Tucker), Miller would have been free to entertain outside offers, but had he signed elsewhere, his new team would have had to cough up two first-round draft picks as compensation. That's too steep a price in most cases, but someone may have been willing to roll the dice on a player like Miller.
Regardless of the designation, the franchise tag is a very one-sided arrangement since it prevents marquee players from finding out their true market value. Players want to be shown the money, to be sure, but they also want job security. The franchise tag is similar to a relationship in which one side wants a commitment while the other simply wishes to continue dating. The risk lies solely with the player; should Miller or any other designee suffer a career-ending injury while under the tag, they'd be owed nothing more.
And, yes, I did mean Denver rather than Cleveland. 
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 13, 2016 11:10:56 GMT -5
Supposedly the Broncos have spoken to Ryan Fitzpatrick, but there is a wide divide on salary.
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