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Post by bobloblaw on Jul 31, 2016 17:47:01 GMT -5
Looks like the Orioles are getting Wade Miley back.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 31, 2016 18:24:25 GMT -5
For a AA/AAA guy they found in Cuba, Ariel Miranda.
Miley gives them a left handed starter, if a poor one, and they don't give up much to get him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 23:26:15 GMT -5
They're still rumored to be in the mix for Jeremy Hellickson of the Phillies, who I think would be an upgrade.
The Indians, who are definitely all-in for right now, pulled off a major coup by landing Andrew Miller. It cost them a couple of top prospects, but they got arguably the best reliever in the game.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 1, 2016 11:14:08 GMT -5
And the Yanks are clearly sellers. I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that they are bandying about the idea of cutting ARod. They have to pay him either way, but they need the roster space. However, if they are sellers I suspect it doesn't matter much to them now. They'll finish the season and then see if they can work out a retirement settlement. He'd probably more like to go out like Jeter than like yet another member of the Played A Season Too Long Club. Although his history of cheating probably means folks won't be raining gifts on him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 23:47:34 GMT -5
And the Yanks are clearly sellers. I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that they are bandying about the idea of cutting ARod. They have to pay him either way, but they need the roster space. However, if they are sellers I suspect it doesn't matter much to them now. They'll finish the season and then see if they can work out a retirement settlement. He'd probably more like to go out like Jeter than like yet another member of the Played A Season Too Long Club. Although his history of cheating probably means folks won't be raining gifts on him. I doubt if they cut A-Rod at this point in the season, particularly since rosters expand to 40 on Sept. 1. My guess is that the Yankees will show A-Rod the door after the season and eat the $20 million due him in 2017. They're not particularly concerned about the money owned; what they want is to get under $189 luxury tax threshold and be free of paying the 50 percent penalty on their payroll. Next year could be one of the leanest in Yankee history since the Horace Clarke era. They still have some bad contracts (CC Sabathia, Chase Headley, Brian McCann, Jacoby Ellsbury), but I think they're playing now with an eye on 2018 and beyond. I've never been a big Brian Cashman fan (hell, anyone can be successful when you have unlimited resources), but it appears as if he finally convinced the Steinbrenners that selling was the way to go, so I have to give him credit for that. And the Yankees got quite a haul in their successive trades for Aroldis Chapman, Andrew Miller and Carlos Beltran. They got back 10 prospects in all, and three of them very highly-rated. Watch out in 2018, when the Yankees figure to be below the luxury tax threshold and some big name free agents are due to hit the market: Bryce Harper, Jose Fernandez, and yes, Manny Machado. If any of their trades start to bear fruit, they'll be well-positioned to make enormous offers to any or all of the three above.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 2, 2016 10:14:25 GMT -5
I doubt if they cut A-Rod at this point in the season, particularly since rosters expand to 40 on Sept. 1. My guess is that the Yankees will show A-Rod the door after the season and eat the $20 million due him in 2017. He is said to be friendly with Manny. So if they want to buy Manny when that time comes (I am sure Manny will leave; the parallels to Mussina are difficult to ignore), they may want to do what they can to facilitate an amicable break up. But I'm sure he won't play. I've never been a big Brian Cashman fan (hell, anyone can be successful when you have unlimited resources), Certainly money makes things easier, chiefly by enabling a GM to move past mistakes, and therefore granting him a wider risk window. The drawback is that it can make a GM sloppy. And a string of mistakes will still get that GM canned. Money helps a great deal but one must still have some skill. Duquette deserves a certain amount of respect because of what he's managed on a low payroll with owner interference. The chant is that he was given a bucket of money to spend on Davis and no one else. It's a bad owner who hires a man to run his team and then doesn't let him do it without interference, IMO. I like Davis but the O's needed pitching upgrades more than they needed another home run or nothing hitter. The team's full of those, even if they're in some kind of contagious post All-Star game slump right now. Davis reminds me of some previous Angelos moves, for example, Palmeiro and Belle - hired because their names would put asses in chairs, not because they fit into an architecture. A marketing move. Watch out in 2018, when the Yankees figure to be below the luxury tax threshold and some big name free agents are due to hit the market: Bryce Harper, Jose Fernandez, and yes, Manny Machado. If any of their trades start to bear fruit, they'll be well-positioned to make enormous offers to any or all of the three above. There's little doubt that they're looking to rebuild for '18 and beyond. I don't know that Manny will end up there, but one of those men is certain to. I'm about 70% sure that Manny will leave when he can, because I don't see much enthusiasm from Duquette regarding an extension. And because they substantially underpaid him when they could. A half million a year for his skills (until this year)? It wasn't until he was arbitration eligible that he got a big raise, and he's still underpaid, IMO. I don't know how it works in baseball, but when I felt abused by an employer, I moved on, and was uninterested in offers to fix it extended by those employers. The time to keep people happy with pay is before they have opportunities elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 23:49:16 GMT -5
I doubt if they cut A-Rod at this point in the season, particularly since rosters expand to 40 on Sept. 1. My guess is that the Yankees will show A-Rod the door after the season and eat the $20 million due him in 2017. I'm not sure what parallels you're referring to regarding Mussina and Machado. Mussina took a team-friendly three-year extension to defer his walk year, then got low-balled again when that deal expired prior to the 2000 season. Machado hasn't even reached free agency as of yet. There was a story a while back which stated Machado and his agent presented the Orioles with a contract extension offer, but the Orioles have yet to respond. I'm a little suspect regarding that story, largely because the source was Jim Bowden, who has taken being wrong to a wholly different level. I've never been a big Brian Cashman fan (hell, anyone can be successful when you have unlimited resources), The difference between a big-market and a small-market GM is that the latter has to live with his personnel mistakes, while the former oftentimes does not. I'm not on the Theo Epstein bandwagon, for example, even though he has revived the moribund Cubs. Yes, he's built them into contenders (much like when he was in Boston), but he also had the latitude to cough up $165 million for Jon Lester and another $184 for Jason Heyward (who has been a complete bust thus far). You can spackle a lot of cracks with that kind of money. I've always preferred the Andrew Friedman and Billy Beane type of GM, proactive executives who make the most of a limited budget. Friedman did a terrific job of keeping the low-budget Rays afloat during his time there, and Billy Beane always keeps things interesting. He has a shoestring budget, his team plays in an absolute pit, yet he's largely kept that team relevant through perpetual wheeling and dealing. He'll pull the trigger on a trade anywhere, anytime. I thought the Davis contract was a bit of an overpay, but let's not overlook the fact that Davis has hit more homeruns than anyone in major league baseball the past four years. He's also excellent defensively, and surprisingly enough, is currently fifth in the American League in walks. He is what he is: a big swinger who will launch long homeruns, but is also prone to striking out. Teams have paid a lot more and gotten a lot less. Watch out in 2018, when the Yankees figure to be below the luxury tax threshold and some big name free agents are due to hit the market: Bryce Harper, Jose Fernandez, and yes, Manny Machado. If any of their trades start to bear fruit, they'll be well-positioned to make enormous offers to any or all of the three above. There's little doubt that they're looking to rebuild for '18 and beyond. Machado was reportedly unhappy when the Orioles unilaterally renewed his contract for close to the major league minimum prior to 2015. If that's true, then it's a case of a young player failing to understand how baseball's compensation system works. For the first three years, the club has the whip hand on pay; only afterward does the player have a court of appeal regarding salary. It's all in the collective bargaining agreement, and if Machado had a problem with it, he should have consulted with his union reps. The six-year wait for free agency is the pot of gold that awaits every player, and it was the union who proposed just such a threshold way back in 1976. Every young player knows (or should know) how that works and why it is such as it is. If he's unhappy, tough. Agents love to raise the specter of the underpaid, unhappy ballplayer, but that's an absolute myth. Save for an occasional Rickey Henderson type, who pouted almost every time someone surpassed him in pay, no player when he takes the field is thinking about the front office; they play for themselves, their teammates, their families, etc. The front office ranks about 100th on the list, if at all. There was an outcry when the Cubs demoted Kris Bryant just before the 2015 season, ostensibly to work on his defense, but in reality to defer is free agency by one year (players need full seasons in the bigs to count toward service time). The union screamed bloody murder and even threatened a grievance, but had they done so, they would have lost since the Cubs did nothing wrong. If they have a problem with the issue of service time and free agency, then it's incumbent upon the union to remove the loopholes in future collective bargaining talks. It's also important to remember that before last year, Machado had had consecutive knee surgeries in successive years. What if they had signed him to a big extension and one of his surgically-repaired knees suddenly gave out again? It's a gamble, and most of the risk lies with the clubs. I've said this before, but in less than two years the Orioles are going to have to decide whether Machado is worth more to them by keeping him here or by seeing what they could get for him before he hits his walk year. They simply cannot let him walk away and get nothing more than a compensation pick for losing him. Signing him is going to be prohibitive, probably northward of $300 million, but with that kind of money budgeted for one player, how much will there be to put a competitive team around him? Conversely, there are likely a number of teams who offer a king's ransom for even a one-year rental of Machado. The Orioles farm system is thin, and what he would fetch could go a long way toward restocking the cupboard. It wouldn't be a popular decision, but at least the players the Orioles would receive in return would provide grist for conversation and speculation. A number of significant contributors--Machado, Jones, Britton, Brach and Tillman (2017) are fast reaching free agency, and the Orioles simply won't be able to retain all of them. But like the Yankees this season, the Orioles could set themselves up very well for down the road.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 5, 2016 10:22:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure what parallels you're referring to regarding Mussina and Machado. Mussina took a team-friendly three-year extension to defer his walk year, then got low-balled again when that deal expired prior to the 2000 season. Machado hasn't even reached free agency as of yet. Chiefly the team expecting a big hometown discount for a player who would have 29 other suitors. Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but the Orioles should never, ever expect Machado to take a hometown discount. It would be a blunder, assuming they wish to keep him. I thought the Davis contract was a bit of an overpay, but let's not overlook the fact that Davis has hit more homeruns than anyone in major league baseball the past four years. He's also excellent defensively, and surprisingly enough, is currently fifth in the American League in walks. He is what he is: a big swinger who will launch long homeruns, but is also prone to striking out. Teams have paid a lot more and gotten a lot less. I don't mean to imply he's not a contributor, he is. But other positions needed more attention, and I believe signing Davis was chiefly about marketing and not about what pieces win ballgames. Ideally, those two are the same, but in practice they can differ. Machado was reportedly unhappy when the Orioles unilaterally renewed his contract for close to the major league minimum prior to 2015. If that's true, then it's a case of a young player failing to understand how baseball's compensation system works. For the first three years, the club has the whip hand on pay; only afterward does the player have a court of appeal regarding salary. It's all in the collective bargaining agreement, and if Machado had a problem with it, he should have consulted with his union reps. He's a once in a generation talent. It doesn't MATTER whether he understands how the compensation system works. For him, it works how he wants or he might just move on. That is the advantage of having his level of talent; the player tells the team how it will be, and the team says, "Yes, sir, may I have another?" Or it can expect the player to move on. What you say about the wait for free agency, I believe, applies to most players. Not to players of Manny's talent. But we will see. My speculation is they will use him to restock, because unless Angelos is out of the picture they will not pay what he will cost.
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