Game 5, Redskins @ Ravens

[Ravenchamp]

Baltimore Ravens
 
3-1, 2nd in AFC North


Sunday, October 9, 1:00 PM on FOX 45

M&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore, Maryland


VS


Washington

Redskins

[bobloblaw]

There's a big problem brewing. If the orioles win tonight they play at home Sunday which conflicts with the Ravens game. Peter Angelos controls the parking lots.

[Evil Yoda]

Angelos screwed the Ravens on their opening game last year. Wanna bet he'll do it again?

[bobloblaw]

I guess they could always move the game to Fedex Stadium.

[Ravenchamp]

Hell make it a big party downtown. Have both at home.

[Cowboyz]

Go Ravens!!

[Evil Yoda]

Somehow I bet that on 11/20 you will be cheering differently.

You get the Bengals on Burfict's first week back. Aren't you the lucky ones? I'm guessing he's suspended again before the end of the season for dirty play.

[Evil Yoda]

That offensive line was just... offensive. Very little talent there. And if Wagner has to go on IR because of Harbaugh's boneheaded decision to run that play. I haven't liked Castillo for years; it may be that he doesn't have much real talent to work with, but, damn, even Urschel was playing better last year. It's worrying that Stanley has been sidelined for two weeks straight. Hopefully he does not have something seriously wrong.

[Ravenchamp]

Horrible play, forgot to show up

[biteme]

Why did they abandon the run game!!!!!

[Ravenchamp]

Run game is horrific, we are better than this

[Evil Yoda]

Generally speaking, you can't run when behind. You have to pass in that situation. The pocket was collapsing around Joe too often, which meant he had trouble finding deep receivers; a QB needs time for that, and to get time he needs a competent line performance, which he did not get today.

The run actually wasn't terrible early, but then the Redskins started sniffing it out; there was one series with three busted runs in a row. This suggests that Trestman is predictable. Predictable offensive plays, a defense that can't adjust (we saw this last week with their inability to answer Crabtree) and makes boneheaded plays (C.J. Mosley) with a poor secondary, and special teams that aren't good. I see about three more winnable games for them unless something changes. It's not that 3-2 is bad, it isn't. It's 3-2 with the kind of play they've demonstrated. They should go 0-4 in the last four games of the year, so that's 3-6. I think they could take the Giants and the Jets, with some luck, and the Browns seem like their usual train wreck (the difficulty they gave the Ravens looks more ominous, now). So, I expect a 6-10 season. And that assumes that Harbs' boneheaded :01 play hasn't cost them Wagner, and that Stanley doesn't have a Lisfranc injury or some other season ending problem. Two games in a row sidelined is not good.

Devin Hester appears to be a mistake. He's got nothing left.

[biteme]

Oct 9, 2016 18:16:30 GMT -5 Ravenchamp said:

Run game is horrific, we are better than this

Huh? West had 11 carries for 97 yards. How is that horrific? 

[biteme]

Oct 9, 2016 18:34:07 GMT -5 Evil Yoda said:

Generally speaking, you can't run when behind. You have to pass in that situation. The pocket was collapsing around Joe too often, which meant he had trouble finding deep receivers; a QB needs time for that, and to get time he needs a competent line performance, which he did not get today.

The run actually wasn't terrible early, but then the Redskins started sniffing it out; there was one series with three busted runs in a row. This suggests that Trestman is predictable. Predictable offensive plays, a defense that can't adjust (we saw this last week with their inability to answer Crabtree) and makes boneheaded plays (C.J. Mosley) with a poor secondary, and special teams that aren't good. I see about three more winnable games for them unless something changes. It's not that 3-2 is bad, it isn't. It's 3-2 with the kind of play they've demonstrated. They should go 0-4 in the last four games of the year, so that's 3-6. I think they could take the Giants and the Jets, with some luck, and the Browns seem like their usual train wreck (the difficulty they gave the Ravens looks more ominous, now). So, I expect a 6-10 season. And that assumes that Harbs' boneheaded :01 play hasn't cost them Wagner, and that Stanley doesn't have a Lisfranc injury or some other season ending problem. Two games in a row sidelined is not good.

Devin Hester appears to be a mistake. He's got nothing left.



Agree about Hester, all he basically does is fair catch or let the ball go. Hell I can do thwt a hell of a lot cheaper too. You can bail on the run game. We were only down by 6. We didnt have to pass every down like we did. We bailed on therun game too early. In the 1st half maybe even the 1st quarter West had 6 carries for 67 yards and yet he only finished with 11 carries. West needs to be the primary back and Allen substitute when West needs a breather. Harbaugh is over coaching and trying to surprise teams too mich. he needs to let his players play and trust Tucker

[Ravenchamp]

Oct 9, 2016 23:36:08 GMT -5 biteme said:

Oct 9, 2016 18:16:30 GMT -5 Ravenchamp said:

Run game is horrific, we are better than this

Huh? West had 11 carries for 97 yards. How is that horrific? 

its way far from good enough

[Evil Yoda]

Trestman has been fired, replaced by QB coach Mornhinweg.

This needed to happen. Trestman's plays weren't innovative and judging from the comments Keith Mills made this morning on the radio, he'd lost the players. However, this is twice in recent years that the Ravens have fired an OC in midseason. Last time, they amped up and then won the Superbowl. This time? Well, it's much earlier. So much earlier one can only wonder how Harbaugh did not understand that Trestman wasn't good after last year. He should have been fired in the traditional post-season bloodletting the NFL undergoes.

Replacing him with Mornhinweg, an in-staff promotion, was probably about all they could do. There's no time during the season to do the kind of interviews you need to do that job right, and no team is going to let you speak to a position coach, removing a lot of potential candidates (basically leaving only unemployed failed coordinators and coaches). Harbaugh better hope this works, or he may be cleaning out his own office at the end of the season. He did really good work early in his tenure here, but all coaches have expiration dates. On the plus side, he at least did not wait most of the season before making this obvious choice. On the minus side, this kind of move smells like desperation, especially having to do it twice.

[biteme]

Oct 10, 2016 0:09:28 GMT -5 Ravenchamp said:

Oct 9, 2016 23:36:08 GMT -5 biteme said:

Huh? West had 11 carries for 97 yards. How is that horrific? 

its way far from good enough

Averaging 8 yards a carry isnt good enough?

[Deleted]

The problem wasn't the running game; what was problematic was the Ravens essentially abandoning it after the first quarter. In the final three quarters, the Ravens rushed the ball a grand total of eight times, and one of those was a QB scramble.

[Deleted]

Oct 10, 2016 9:05:09 GMT -5 Evil Yoda said:

Trestman has been fired, replaced by QB coach Mornhinweg.

This needed to happen. Trestman's plays weren't innovative and judging from the comments Keith Mills made this morning on the radio, he'd lost the players. However, this is twice in recent years that the Ravens have fired an OC in midseason. Last time, they amped up and then won the Superbowl. This time? Well, it's much earlier. So much earlier one can only wonder how Harbaugh did not understand that Trestman wasn't good after last year. He should have been fired in the traditional post-season bloodletting the NFL undergoes.

Replacing him with Mornhinweg, an in-staff promotion, was probably about all they could do. There's no time during the season to do the kind of interviews you need to do that job right, and no team is going to let you speak to a position coach, removing a lot of potential candidates (basically leaving only unemployed failed coordinators and coaches). Harbaugh better hope this works, or he may be cleaning out his own office at the end of the season. He did really good work early in his tenure here, but all coaches have expiration dates. On the plus side, he at least did not wait most of the season before making this obvious choice. On the minus side, this kind of move smells like desperation, especially having to do it twice.

Probably the only move Harbaugh could make at this point. Trestman wasn't the only reason for the offensive struggles, but he certainly wasn't the answer, either.

Mornhinweg has experience, but none of that will matter if the players don't buy into the system. If this move doesn't improve the offense--and you really can't change the scheme at this point--then the needle comes firmly to rest at the head coach. At some point, others have to be held accountable as well (yes, that includes Flacco, who has been borderline putrid), and that starts with the head coach.

[biteme]

Oct 10, 2016 19:51:48 GMT -5 @mdrunning said:

Oct 10, 2016 9:05:09 GMT -5 Evil Yoda said:

Trestman has been fired, replaced by QB coach Mornhinweg.

This needed to happen. Trestman's plays weren't innovative and judging from the comments Keith Mills made this morning on the radio, he'd lost the players. However, this is twice in recent years that the Ravens have fired an OC in midseason. Last time, they amped up and then won the Superbowl. This time? Well, it's much earlier. So much earlier one can only wonder how Harbaugh did not understand that Trestman wasn't good after last year. He should have been fired in the traditional post-season bloodletting the NFL undergoes.

Replacing him with Mornhinweg, an in-staff promotion, was probably about all they could do. There's no time during the season to do the kind of interviews you need to do that job right, and no team is going to let you speak to a position coach, removing a lot of potential candidates (basically leaving only unemployed failed coordinators and coaches). Harbaugh better hope this works, or he may be cleaning out his own office at the end of the season. He did really good work early in his tenure here, but all coaches have expiration dates. On the plus side, he at least did not wait most of the season before making this obvious choice. On the minus side, this kind of move smells like desperation, especially having to do it twice.

Probably the only move Harbaugh could make at this point. Trestman wasn't the only reason for the offensive struggles, but he certainly wasn't the answer, either.

Mornhinweg has experience, but none of that will matter if the players don't buy into the system. If this move doesn't improve the offense--and you really can't change the scheme at this point--then the needle comes firmly to rest at the head coach. At some point, others have to be held accountable as well (yes, that includes Flacco, who has been borderline putrid), and that starts with the head coach.

Exatly. Why abandon the run game when it was working? You cant JUST pass cause then the defense keys on receivers and ignores the playaction

[Evil Yoda]

Evidently Trestman had that tendency, which other teams understood and exploited. Like a general who always sends troops left to flank, predictability loses contests. Especially considering that Castillo's blocking schemes do not support pass protection, or perhaps there simply isn't talent enough for that, they must run until the opponent stops them. For some reason, the receivers aren't catching the ball. I have wondered if there's something weird about the way Joe throws the ball, although to my untrained eye his throws look good. No one has managed separation; either Trestman's route scheming was predictable or these receivers aren't good enough for a pass heavy offense. Smith is coming off a bad injury and is 37, and he's done better work than most of them. If Perriman can overcome stone hands (a knock against him in college) and learn to do things like drag his toes (I'm surprised he doesn't know that by now), and stay healthy he might eventually be top drawer. And Joe? Well, someday he may make it to the Hall of Very Good, but he will never don a yellow jacket unless he improves significantly over what we've seen this year.

[Evil Yoda]

Dennis Pitta is quoted on a sportscast saying that the defensive players liked Trestman as a person, but that the offense "was in a funk" and "did not appear to be getting out of it", and that firing Trestman was something that needed to happen to spark them. Clearly Trestman had lost his players.