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Post by Evil Yoda on Feb 14, 2017 17:05:49 GMT -5
Orioles ace Chris Tillman is likely to miss Opening Day after receiving an injection of platelet-rich plasma in December. Best case, per Buck, is starting the year on the DL dated from March 30, which would make him eligible to return April 9. He's said to be about three weeks behind schedule now. Article |
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Post by mmmbeer on Feb 15, 2017 8:12:29 GMT -5
He had some shoulder issues near the end of last season, IIRC. Not a good sign if it's the same thing lingering over the entire offseason. Hope the injections work. Surgery for him would be really bad for the team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 10:58:32 GMT -5
He had some shoulder issues near the end of last season, IIRC. Not a good sign if it's the same thing lingering over the entire offseason. Hope the injections work. Surgery for him would be really bad for the team. It wouldn't be good for Tillman either since this is his walk year and he was likely in line for a handsome pay day from someone. I think it's just best to wait and see on this one since I would think the Orioles were aware of the condition long before this. (They did, after all, avoid arbitration with Tillman by settling for $10.5 million on January 17, about a month after he had the first injection.) Additionally, had they been concerned about Tillman missing considerable time, they hopefully would have made a more concerted effort to retain Vance Worley, who wound up signing with Washington. There are some free agent options still out there, but none are particularly appealing. |
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Post by mmmbeer on Feb 15, 2017 13:51:18 GMT -5
none as good as a healthy tillman, for sure. it's early. let's hope it works out.
I forgot it was his contract year. If they can't/won't sign him, trade him this summer so they get something back.
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Post by mmmbeer on Mar 14, 2017 7:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 14, 2017 13:35:05 GMT -5
I can't read the article with my ad blocker on, and their ads are intrusive, so I won't whitelist them as I do sites with better ad policies.
But this is pretty standard for the Orioles. They're either incompetent at rehab, or they actually think people still believe their lies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:50:49 GMT -5
I can't read the article with my ad blocker on, and their ads are intrusive, so I won't whitelist them as I do sites with better ad policies. But this is pretty standard for the Orioles. They're either incompetent at rehab, or they actually think people still believe their lies. What exactly were the Orioles lying about and how is this episode somehow indicative of incompetence? |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 15, 2017 14:13:31 GMT -5
What exactly were the Orioles lying about and how is this episode somehow indicative of incompetence? They have a long history of pretending serious injuries are not serious, or of not understanding the severity of injuries. Tillman is the latest example, not the only example. Other examples include Brian Roberts and JJ Hardy in various previous years. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:10:16 GMT -5
Rober What exactly were the Orioles lying about and how is this episode somehow indicative of incompetence? They have a long history of pretending serious injuries are not serious, or of not understanding the severity of injuries. Tillman is the latest example, not the only example. Other examples include Brian Roberts and JJ Hardy in various previous years. I don't buy that at all. Check the history of every team in the majors and I'm sure you'll find numerous examples of the prognosis being rosier than the actual condition and result. Teams walk a fine line between privacy and transparency when discussing injuries in the media. There's also the individual interests of the player to consider. A guy like Tillman, for example, has no reason to try and hide an injury; he's not fighting for a roster spot and isn't in any danger of being released. The same with guys like Hardy and Roberts. Roberts' injury woes started in 2010 with an abdominal strain, which forced him to miss almost half the season, which then resulted in an herniated disk, which led to. . .you get the idea. I don't know how the Orioles wouldn't understand an abdominal strain, however, since they're quite common injuries in baseball players. The CBA's of the four major sports leagues all have specific language regarding diagnosis, treatment and disclosure of injuries. They do, after all, have a an economic and competitive interest in gaining comprehensive information regarding the health of their respective players. They have mixed interests, however, in regards to sharing that information with both their leagues and the media. The leagues, too, have a strong interest in the condition of their players, particularly in relation to fair competition, but that interest again becomes somewhat blurred in terms of disclosure. Players, too, have a strong economic interest when it comes to injuries, but certain factors may also dictate that they not be as forthcoming. Tillman, for example, certainly has a huge economic interest regarding his condition for this upcoming season. As a potential free agent, he could potentially lose tens of millions in the free agent market if teams become certain that his shoulder condition does not make him worth the financial risk of a free-agent contract. Like the teams and leagues, has a complicated interest when it comes to medical discovery and disclosure. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 15, 2017 19:54:57 GMT -5
If the Orioles had a well respected farm system and front office, your argument would carry more weight. But they do not. Their farm system is poorly regarded and their front office is middle-tier at best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:00:50 GMT -5
If the Orioles had a well respected farm system and front office, your argument would carry more weight. But they do not. Their farm system is poorly regarded and their front office is middle-tier at best. What does the Oriole farm system have to do with disclosure of injuries? |
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Post by mmmbeer on Mar 16, 2017 7:22:22 GMT -5
The possibility of no Tillman for a large portion, or maybe all, of the season leaves us with Bundy, Gausman, Miley, Ubaldo, and a CO2 exhaler. A lot has to go right with that rotation. I don't understand why they traded Gallardo without locating a replacement when they knew Tillman had issues in December.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 16, 2017 9:31:12 GMT -5
What does the Oriole farm system have to do with disclosure of injuries? Nothing. But the other possibility is that the organization just doesn't know what it's doing, and the farm system's quality is an indicator that this may be true. I don't really know whether the farm system is any good because I'm not qualified to judge. I do know that those who are do not think it's very good. If the farm system isn't good, why would one believe any other part of the organization knows what its doing? It's rare to find an organization that's good everyone except one place. |
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