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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 17, 2017 15:21:44 GMT -5
LOL Imma one of the kneelers too. I have to kneel when I service the Angry Drunken Dwarfs Flaccid Little Gherkin.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 17, 2017 15:31:53 GMT -5
But not because of the kneelers. It's been decreasing for years. I’ve never seen anyone who has refined the art of whistling past the graveyard to the level you have.
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Post by palealeman on Oct 17, 2017 19:59:16 GMT -5
You still don't get it, RJ, and I guess you never will. The players are not protesting that they are oppressed. “I’m not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” -Colin Kaepernick His words, not mine, and not yours. Kaepernick is black (or at least part black) most NFL players are as well. His statement covers ALL blacks, including his own, hyper-entitled .0001%er self. I don’t know why you insist on being willfully blind, but there truly are none so blind as those who will not see. If he is oppressed, then oppress me! Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it.
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 17, 2017 21:42:04 GMT -5
“I’m not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” -Colin Kaepernick His words, not mine, and not yours. Kaepernick is black (or at least part black) most NFL players are as well. His statement covers ALL blacks, including his own, hyper-entitled .0001%er self. I don’t know why you insist on being willfully blind, but there truly are none so blind as those who will not see. If he is oppressed, then oppress me! Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. When they realize it, it will be too late.
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Post by redleg on Oct 17, 2017 22:04:10 GMT -5
“I’m not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” -Colin Kaepernick His words, not mine, and not yours. Kaepernick is black (or at least part black) most NFL players are as well. His statement covers ALL blacks, including his own, hyper-entitled .0001%er self. I don’t know why you insist on being willfully blind, but there truly are none so blind as those who will not see. If he is oppressed, then oppress me! Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. That's how the Left, and the Party of the KKK (but I repeat myself) have stayed in power so long. They claim that any black that doesn't worship at their altar isn't "really black", any latino that doesn't beg from their bowl isn't really latino, and all whites are racists. They created the group think, hive mind that so many blacks have today. And now you are complaining that someone is using the definitions YOUR heros created? It is the sentiment being "expressed", that blacks are all poor because of whites, and that racism is what's keeping them down. In that, he's correct, in that it's the racism from the Party of the KKK that's keeping them addicted to drugs, welfare, stuck in failed schools, and dependent on the government for food, housing, medical care, and everything else they need to survive. It's the Democrats that are committing genocide against them through Planned "Parent"hood, and then making sure they stay too ignorant to see it.
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Post by redleg on Oct 17, 2017 22:05:49 GMT -5
Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. When they realize it, it will be too late. You are correct. When the blacks realize that it's the Democrats that are doing to them all the things they are complaining about, there won't be enough of them left to do anything about it. The Dems want them all in a zoo, the few they let escape the butcher shops of Planned "Parent"hood, so they can point to them and tell their kids "see, we saved them".
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 17, 2017 23:02:52 GMT -5
Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. When they realize it, it will be too late. Hell its already to late for me. The Angry Drunken Dwarf and Fugly Mommy oppress me every day.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 5:47:40 GMT -5
“I’m not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” -Colin Kaepernick His words, not mine, and not yours. Kaepernick is black (or at least part black) most NFL players are as well. His statement covers ALL blacks, including his own, hyper-entitled .0001%er self. I don’t know why you insist on being willfully blind, but there truly are none so blind as those who will not see. If he is oppressed, then oppress me! Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. 1) I’m not the one who has to alter Kaepernick’s words in order to make them fit my point. That’s you. 2) if you think either Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin are example of oppression you are one sick MFer. Both were killed by the actual victims in self-defense.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 6:57:33 GMT -5
Again, you don't get it. I understand, you don't want to. Just because he says thuat black people are being oppressed, he doesn't mean all black people. You keep lumping them all together (I guess to try to keep them down on the plantation). But that's not the sentiment being expressed. He wasn't in Ferguson . . . or Sanford . . . or any of hundreds of places where people are oppressed or denied civil rights. But keep sitting on your right-wing holier-than-thou throne and continue to believe the nonsense you believe. Maybe some day you'll realize what's going on . . . but I doubt it. When they realize it, it will be too late. Look, it’s not ‘they’ who chose to hold up the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown as emblems of their cause. There is a legitimate case to be made that Philando Castile did’t get justice. And if you want to assert that Baltimore’s knife control laws are draconian and Freddy Gray never should have been arrested in the first place, there’s a legitimate case to be made there as well. But the only way you get to label Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin “victims” is out of a breathtaking ignorance of the facts of their cases, or a black supremacist mindset so extreme that you believe blacks have an unquestionable right to murder inferior races. Because that’s what BOTH Martin and Brown were trying to do when they were shot by their victims. The only thing it’s starting to get too late for is your credibility, and that of people who think like you.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 18, 2017 7:28:24 GMT -5
When they realize it, it will be too late. Look, it’s not ‘they’ who chose to hold up the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown as emblems of their cause. There is a legitimate case to be made that Philando Castile did’t get justice. And if you want to assert that Baltimore’s knife control laws are draconian and Freddy Gray never should have been arrested in the first place, there’s a legitimate case to be made there as well. But the only way you get to label Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin “victims” is out of a breathtaking ignorance of the facts of their cases, or a black supremacist mindset so extreme that you believe blacks have an unquestionable right to murder inferior races. Because that’s what BOTH Martin and Brown were trying to do when they were shot by their victims. The only thing it’s starting to get too late for is your credibility, and that of people who think like you. I can agree with you on Michael Brown... but had George Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle... like the dispatcher told him to do... Trayvon Martin might still be alive today... (regardless of whether he was a good guy or a bad guy)... Zimmerman got away with murder in that one... (manslaughter at the least, which is what he should have been charged with, not murder)... People like Zimmerman are why people like Colin Kaepernick sat...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 7:46:21 GMT -5
Look, it’s not ‘they’ who chose to hold up the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown as emblems of their cause. There is a legitimate case to be made that Philando Castile did’t get justice. And if you want to assert that Baltimore’s knife control laws are draconian and Freddy Gray never should have been arrested in the first place, there’s a legitimate case to be made there as well. But the only way you get to label Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin “victims” is out of a breathtaking ignorance of the facts of their cases, or a black supremacist mindset so extreme that you believe blacks have an unquestionable right to murder inferior races. Because that’s what BOTH Martin and Brown were trying to do when they were shot by their victims. The only thing it’s starting to get too late for is your credibility, and that of people who think like you. I can agree with you on Michael Brown... but had George Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle... like the dispatcher told him to do... Trayvon Martin might still be alive today... (regardless of whether he was a good guy or a bad guy)... Zimmerman got away with murder in that one... (manslaughter at the least, which is what he should have been charged with, not murder)... People like Zimmerman are why people like Colin Kaepernick sat... Trayvon Martin was shot while he was sitting on George Zimmerman, and trying to pound his face into the dirt. It honestly doesn’t matter all that much how they got there. Once they were, Zimmerman reasonably believed his life to be in danger, and fired in self defense. Had Martin not initiated the “ground and pound” attack, he might be alive today, OR you might have an actual manslaughter case against Zimmerman. As it stands, Zimmerman was the victim. Not Martin. But, EVEN IF you want to argue Zimmerman was overzealous, he was a neighborhood watch person, not a public official, and he is Latino. The idea that he somehow represents “oppression” is ridiculous.
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Post by palealeman on Oct 18, 2017 8:17:21 GMT -5
I get it, RJ. Of course, we arrest a disproportionately large number of blacks and minorities. We incarcerate more people than any other society in the Western world, and a disproportionate number of those incarcerated are blacks and minorities. There's more drug use among white in this country than other groups, but a disproportionately larger number of blacks and minorities. When I worked in prisons, between 60% and 70% of our admissions were blacks, though only about 20% - 25% of the state population.
But there's no oppression. No racism. We have a wonderful society without any serious social problems.
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 18, 2017 8:36:13 GMT -5
I can agree with you on Michael Brown... but had George Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle... like the dispatcher told him to do... Trayvon Martin might still be alive today... (regardless of whether he was a good guy or a bad guy)... Zimmerman got away with murder in that one... (manslaughter at the least, which is what he should have been charged with, not murder)... People like Zimmerman are why people like Colin Kaepernick sat... Trayvon Martin was shot while he was sitting on George Zimmerman, and trying to pound his face into the dirt. It honestly doesn’t matter all that much how they got there. Once they were, Zimmerman reasonably believed his life to be in danger, and fired in self defense. Had Martin not initiated the “ground and pound” attack, he might be alive today, OR you might have an actual manslaughter case against Zimmerman. As it stands, Zimmerman was the victim. Not Martin. But, EVEN IF you want to argue Zimmerman was overzealous, he was a neighborhood watch person, not a public official, and he is Latino. The idea that he somehow represents “oppression” is ridiculous. That's not even remotely true.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 8:44:38 GMT -5
Trayvon Martin was shot while he was sitting on George Zimmerman, and trying to pound his face into the dirt. It honestly doesn’t matter all that much how they got there. Once they were, Zimmerman reasonably believed his life to be in danger, and fired in self defense. Had Martin not initiated the “ground and pound” attack, he might be alive today, OR you might have an actual manslaughter case against Zimmerman. As it stands, Zimmerman was the victim. Not Martin. But, EVEN IF you want to argue Zimmerman was overzealous, he was a neighborhood watch person, not a public official, and he is Latino. The idea that he somehow represents “oppression” is ridiculous. That's not even remotely true. Again, Kongo, this is getting tiresome. Every time you write that, it’s about a statement that is beyond doubt.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 8:52:32 GMT -5
I get it, RJ. Of course, we arrest a disproportionately large number of blacks and minorities. We incarcerate more people than any other society in the Western world, and a disproportionate number of those incarcerated are blacks and minorities. There's more drug use among white in this country than other groups, but a disproportionately larger number of blacks and minorities. When I worked in prisons, between 60% and 70% of our admissions were blacks, though only about 20% - 25% of the state population. But there's no oppression. No racism. We have a wonderful society without any serious social problems. No. There’s no oppression. And the statistics you cite are not evidence of it. Show us the number of people wrongly convicted. Otherwise all you’ve done is provided proof that blacks are disproportionately criminals, and therefore it’s blacks who are most to blame for their own circumstance. And don’t come to me arguing about drug laws either. The war on drugs is a bad joke, and needs to be ended. Obama had 8 years to do that and refused.
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Post by redleg on Oct 18, 2017 8:52:40 GMT -5
Look, it’s not ‘they’ who chose to hold up the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown as emblems of their cause. There is a legitimate case to be made that Philando Castile did’t get justice. And if you want to assert that Baltimore’s knife control laws are draconian and Freddy Gray never should have been arrested in the first place, there’s a legitimate case to be made there as well. But the only way you get to label Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin “victims” is out of a breathtaking ignorance of the facts of their cases, or a black supremacist mindset so extreme that you believe blacks have an unquestionable right to murder inferior races. Because that’s what BOTH Martin and Brown were trying to do when they were shot by their victims. The only thing it’s starting to get too late for is your credibility, and that of people who think like you. I can agree with you on Michael Brown... but had George Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle... like the dispatcher told him to do... Trayvon Martin might still be alive today... (regardless of whether he was a good guy or a bad guy)... Zimmerman got away with murder in that one... (manslaughter at the least, which is what he should have been charged with, not murder)... People like Zimmerman are why people like Colin Kaepernick sat... Sorry, no. Had Martin not attacked Zimmerman, for no reason except racism, he would be alive today. He tried to kill Zimmerman, and wound up dead himself, and because he's black, he was made a martyr. Had Martin been white, his death wouldn't have even made the news.
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 18, 2017 8:54:47 GMT -5
LOL Thuggie Trayvon is my Hero and Homie....
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Post by redleg on Oct 18, 2017 8:56:24 GMT -5
I get it, RJ. Of course, we arrest a disproportionately large number of blacks and minorities. We incarcerate more people than any other society in the Western world, and a disproportionate number of those incarcerated are blacks and minorities. There's more drug use among white in this country than other groups, but a disproportionately larger number of blacks and minorities. When I worked in prisons, between 60% and 70% of our admissions were blacks, though only about 20% - 25% of the state population. But there's no oppression. No racism. We have a wonderful society without any serious social problems. Blacks, apparently, commit crimes at a much greater rate than whites. And that can all be traced directly to the policies of the Democrats. They force black kids into failed schools, so they can't find decent jobs when they graduate, the few that do. They inculcate an entitlement mindset, that says " I can do whatever I want, because slavery/racism/I'm black". And then are outraged when society doesn't see it their way, and locks them up for committing crimes.
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Post by palealeman on Oct 18, 2017 9:44:08 GMT -5
Hey, RJ, where do you live? You apparently live in a place without racism, without oppression, with little crime -- sounds idyllic. I might like to live there too.
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 18, 2017 9:45:53 GMT -5
Hey, RJ, where do you live? You apparently live in a place without racism, without oppression, with little crime -- sounds idyllic. I might like to live there too. Happy Acres Trailer Park
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Post by bobloblaw on Oct 18, 2017 9:47:50 GMT -5
I live downy Mommy's basement with no Hope of ever getting out. Fugly Mommy wanted to abort my Worthless Arse in the first place.
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Post by palealeman on Oct 18, 2017 9:56:26 GMT -5
I get it, RJ. Of course, we arrest a disproportionately large number of blacks and minorities. We incarcerate more people than any other society in the Western world, and a disproportionate number of those incarcerated are blacks and minorities. There's more drug use among white in this country than other groups, but a disproportionately larger number of blacks and minorities. When I worked in prisons, between 60% and 70% of our admissions were blacks, though only about 20% - 25% of the state population. But there's no oppression. No racism. We have a wonderful society without any serious social problems. No. There’s no oppression. And the statistics you cite are not evidence of it. Show us the number of people wrongly convicted. Otherwise all you’ve done is provided proof that blacks are disproportionately criminals, and therefore it’s blacks who are most to blame for their own circumstance. And don’t come to me arguing about drug laws either. The war on drugs is a bad joke, and needs to be ended. Obama had 8 years to do that and refused. If you ever did any homework, you'd know that more blacks and minorities are convicted and incarcerated more often than than whites -- disproportionate to the population. That doesn't mean that blacks and minorities commit more crime, just that they're arrested more often, convicted more often, and incarcerated more often. Check the FBI crime stats. Of course, in your world, none of that happens. Blacks are disproportionately incarcerated? Thanks for letting us understand your mindset. In fact, blacks are incarcerated at five times the rate of whites. If blacks and minorities were incarcerated at the same rate as whites, there were be 40% less people in our prisons. And I agree with you on the war on drugs -- a joke, something to stop doing. While we're at it, drop a lot of the mandatory 2- and 3-strike laws.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 11:17:24 GMT -5
Hey, RJ, where do you live? You apparently live in a place without racism, without oppression, with little crime -- sounds idyllic. I might like to live there too. Outside of Baltimore. Let’s discuss that a bit. When I lived in Maryland, and watched the evening news, the lead story every night was the most recent murder/shooting. When I first moved here, I tuned in the local news, WNEP in Scranton. The lead story that night was some teenagers had vandalized a cemetery. It was admittedly a slow news day, but even so, the local news here is still dominated by house fires and traffic accidents. Not shootings. Part of the reason for the discrepancies you saw in the prison system has to do with the fact that different communities enforce the law differently based on their perceived needs. Years ago, I got a $300 parking ticket for parking in a handicapped spot in Baltimore. I’m guessing the fine is considerably higher now. In small town PA, run by clueless rednecks and deplorable Republicans, that same offense is $50 tops. Sometimes it’s as little as $5. Along the same lines, Freddy Gray was arrested for carrying a knife in Baltimore. Here, I take it for granted that everyone I see is carrying a knife of some sort. The police do too. It’s part of the culture, not a crime, let alone something that would put one in the back of a paddy wagon. So... this is where you try to make the case that the reason we see such a discrepancy in the racial makeup of the inmates in US jails and prisons is because the racist, cracker, bigot Republicans running small town Pennsylvania aren’t sending Bobby Joe to jail for carrying a knife, when the glaringly obvious problem is the noble, enlightened, minority Democrats running inner city Maryland ARE arresting Freddy Gray for that offense. And to further reduce the disparate impact on minority populations those same racist Republicans also need to raise the fine for parking in a handicapped spot to $500, or whatever the current going rate is in Baltimore. That’s the very root of the oppression you seem so concerned about.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 18, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -5
No. There’s no oppression. And the statistics you cite are not evidence of it. Show us the number of people wrongly convicted. Otherwise all you’ve done is provided proof that blacks are disproportionately criminals, and therefore it’s blacks who are most to blame for their own circumstance. And don’t come to me arguing about drug laws either. The war on drugs is a bad joke, and needs to be ended. Obama had 8 years to do that and refused. If you ever did any homework, you'd know that more blacks and minorities are convicted and incarcerated more often than than whites -- disproportionate to the population. That doesn't mean that blacks and minorities commit more crime, just that they're arrested more often, convicted more often, and incarcerated more often. Check the FBI crime stats. Of course, in your world, none of that happens. Blacks are disproportionately incarcerated? Thanks for letting us understand your mindset. In fact, blacks are incarcerated at five times the rate of whites. If blacks and minorities were incarcerated at the same rate as whites, there were be 40% less people in our prisons. Again, all the evidence and statistics show that blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate than other groups. Disparate impacts are not proof of racism or oppression. It is on you to show the reason blacks end up in prison is something other than committing more crimes than other races. I’ll stipulate that Baltimore has more crimes in it’s criminal code compared to, say, Westminster, and that contributes to the disparate impact. But the fact that there are more reasons to arrest people in Baltimore is on Baltimore, and it’s government, not Westminster. Are you willing to acknowledge the reality that Baltimore is much more violent than Westminster? And that reality is on the residents of Baltimore?
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Post by palealeman on Oct 18, 2017 12:06:31 GMT -5
No, RJ, you're wrong. Stats show that about 12.5% of African-Americans use illicit drugs. However, almost 30% of persons arrested for drug offenses are African-American, and about a third of people incarcerated for drug offenses are African-American. It's not committing more crime, it's a higher arrest and incarceration rate.
There are few is any arrested under some sort of Baltiimore City criminal code. Baltimore City -- and every other county -- follows State law. In fact, I don't think the city even has a criminal code.
And I'm glad to see you admit that rednecks are clueless and Republicans deplorable.
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