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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 12:21:33 GMT -5
So you want to teach potential mass shooters how to properly and safely store their weapons, and to SHOOT BETTER!?! Yeah. You're not even close to being serious. Well, then, maybe licensing, regular renewals, and requiring a mental health assessment regularly. We effectively already have licensing with the background checks, especially for those who get a concealed carry permit. The regular mental health assessment would likely require a repeal of the 2A. The 2A is predicated on the idea the right of self defense is inherent. It's set up to require the state to prove people aren't capable of safely owning a weapon, not to require people to prove they are capable. Either way, until the government demonstrates it can manage such records competently, it won't be effective.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 10, 2017 13:17:11 GMT -5
In other words, maintain the status quo. Got it.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 13:24:51 GMT -5
The 10 mass shootings we had this year (so far) are just collateral damage for our right to bear arms.
"Moron Labia!"
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 13:49:49 GMT -5
WTF did you just read? It wasn’t my post. The government needs to do a better job of enforcing existing laws. Kelley and Roof were both armed because of bureaucratic failure. While I appreciate that you believe adding more failing bureaucracy on top of existing failing bureaucracy will DO SOMETHING!!! reality suggests otherwise. Why do liberals always think the solution to ineffective to downright malicious government is always more government? The NRA did far more to stop Kelley than the government. I absolutely read what you posted, RJ. The government needs to do a better job with record keeping, and had they done so 2 recent mass shootings might have been avoided. Might have. And only the 2 you note. Not too many others, as most of the weapons were purchased legally. And the NRA may have done something in the most recent event. But in the aftermath of every mass shooting, the NRA's out there talking about the Second Amendment and the unbridled freedom to own as many guns as you want to. What legislation has the NRA supported? There was some talk about the NRA being OK with executive rules about bump stocks, but they don't want any legislation on that subject, nor much of any legislation that would in any way be seen as a bar to purchasing or owning any sort of firearm. So, RJ, you think that better record keeping and enforcing of existing laws need to be done, but not much else. In other words, you're more or less content with the status quo, which is what I said originally. And the status quo will lead to more and continued mass shootings, and probably more frequent mass shootings. And you're fine with that. Glad to know where you stand. What legislation would have stopped a single one of the shootings? As you said, the firearms were purchased legally. In far too many cases, they were purchased by prohibited persons, but the Federal government, your god, screwed up and didn't put the info into THEIR reporting. None of the shootings have anything to do with the NRA, but they do have a huge amount to do with the Party of the KKK. Their obsequiousnous when it comes to Islam, to the point that the police can do nothing about the known radicals. Notice that law enforcement knew about every one of the Muslim shooters. In the San Bernadino case,the wife lied on her form, it would have been easy to check, but The Puppet's State Dept was too busy importing illegal Democrats to bother checking. Besides, she was Muslim, so above reproach. In addition, their attacks on religion, especially Christianity, with their violent rhetoric, their support of actual violence, and their funding of violent fascist groups tells the unhinged, the inbred, and the mental midgets, the primary Democrat constituency, that it's okay to kill their opponents. Same with the Democrat policies that tell the young, from the time they start school, that they are "owed" whatever they want, and if they don't get it, it's okay to attack, even kill, those they think are stopping them from getting their "due". What specific legislation, other than outlawing Leftists, do you think would have stopped the shootings? Remember, France has some of the strictest "gun" laws in the world, yet Muslim terrorists were able to get actual 'assault weapons', not the make believe type that your masters keep wailing about because the looks of a firearm scare them.
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:03:34 GMT -5
So, again, RJ, you're comfortable with the status quo and continued mass shootings. Got it. What about licensing? We license people before they can legally drive a car. Why not here too? There are already classes in place to do this sort of thing, so nothing new needed here other than perhaps expansion of capacity. Require classes in safe handling, storage, actually using a weapon. Require it for all guns, both handguns and rifles. As long as a course meets basic criteria, its results can be accepted and it can issue a license. Require the license to be shown before any purchase of any gun. Background checks are completed at that point, as now. Would it help? Maybe, maybe not. There's only one way to find out. But it does do one thing you anti-government types will like: it doesn't increase bureaucracy, it uses existing services in the general population. How about licensing people before they can vote? A test, to prove they know the Constitution, the issues, and the candidates for each election? Background checks, proof of ID, proof of citizenship. How about they have to relicense every time they move to a different city or state? How about they can only keep their ballots in a locked safe until they return them to the polling places? How about we license writers? Same thing, give them a test on the subject they are writing about, and if they fail, they are prohibited from ever writing anything ever again. Or is it just the 2A you find negotiable? How, exactly, do you think licensing will stop a mass shooting? All you suggest would do is make them more effective, since they would now be trained. Since every single mass shooter was either a Leftist, a Muslim, or a mentally deficient individual, how, exactly do you think licensing would stop any of them? All it would do is give a Democrat regime the info it would need to confiscate all firearms, except for their body guards.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 14:05:46 GMT -5
In other words, maintain the status quo. Got it. Again, no. The government needs to do more to tighten up reporting. Until it does, nothing you have suggested short of a 2A repeal can be accomplished. All you want to do is give more resonsibility to the same bureaucrats who are proving, time and again, that they can't manage the responsibility they currently have.
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:24:31 GMT -5
It's the atlantic. There's not a single individual in a 10 mile radius of that propaganda site that would know an AR from a lug nut. They are simply pulling their "research" out of their 4th point of contact. The AR platform was developed to replace the M1 carbine. It was never intended for front line service. The idea was to give truck drivers, officers, cannon crewmen, ect, more firepower in a light, non primary arm caliber. Just like the carbine, that was chambered for a pistol cartridge. The AR was chambered for a varmint cartridge, because it was lighter and more controllable in automatic fire. The morons and liars at the atlantic have no idea what they are talking about, and think an AR is some kind of death ray.
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:26:36 GMT -5
So you want to teach potential mass shooters how to properly and safely store their weapons, and to SHOOT BETTER!?! Yeah. You're not even close to being serious. Well, then, maybe licensing, regular renewals, and requiring a mental health assessment regularly. Shall we apply the same requirements of "journalists", voters, and "community organizers"? After all, the 'journalists' are fueling the hatred on the Left that's leading to these mass shootings, and protecting Muslims that do it. And "community organizers" are the ones fomenting the riots, and attacks on ordinary people, just because they "look like a Trump voter".
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:28:09 GMT -5
In other words, maintain the status quo. Got it. No, arm everyone. That means that the victims will have the ability to shoot back. Of course, Communists like you want people unarmed, and victims, and dependent on government for their safety, so that they will follow the dictates from their "betters", because otherwise they might not get police response when they need it.
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:29:37 GMT -5
The 10 mass shootings we had this year (so far) are just collateral damage for our right to bear arms. "Moron Labia!" They were all organized and supported by the Party of the KKK. They can't get their Communist agenda passed unless they make people scared enough to actually believe the lies coming from the Party of the KKK, so they support as many mass shootings, riots, and assaults as they can get.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 10, 2017 14:42:25 GMT -5
In other words, maintain the status quo. Got it. Again, no. The government needs to do more to tighten up reporting. Until it does, nothing you have suggested short of a 2A repeal can be accomplished. All you want to do is give more resonsibility to the same bureaucrats who are proving, time and again, that they can't manage the responsibility they currently have. I wasn't giving more responsibility to bureaucrats, RJ. I was suggesting using existing structures and resources. You seem to contradict yourself. You "rant" against bureaucracy in paragraph 2, but seem to want bureaucrats to do even more in paragraph 1. Which one is it? Just what are you proposing?
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:46:22 GMT -5
Again, no. The government needs to do more to tighten up reporting. Until it does, nothing you have suggested short of a 2A repeal can be accomplished. All you want to do is give more resonsibility to the same bureaucrats who are proving, time and again, that they can't manage the responsibility they currently have. I wasn't giving more responsibility to bureaucrats, RJ. I was suggesting using existing structures and resources. You seem to contradict yourself. You "rant" against bureaucracy in paragraph 2, but seem to want bureaucrats to do even more in paragraph 1. Which one is it? Just what are you proposing? You mean the ones that can't get it right, now? "The government has to do something" is the only mantra that Leftists understand. You can't imagine people doing anything on their own, without government permission or supervision, which is why you support the Party of the KKK.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 14:48:58 GMT -5
Again, no. The government needs to do more to tighten up reporting. Until it does, nothing you have suggested short of a 2A repeal can be accomplished. All you want to do is give more resonsibility to the same bureaucrats who are proving, time and again, that they can't manage the responsibility they currently have. I wasn't giving more responsibility to bureaucrats, RJ. I was suggesting using existing structures and resources. You seem to contradict yourself. You "rant" against bureaucracy in paragraph 2, but seem to want bureaucrats to do even more in paragraph 1. Which one is it? Just what are you proposing? LMAO! No. I'm demanding that the bureaucracy we currently have manage their existing responsibilities competently before we give them any more. Face it, PAM: the same incompetent bureaucrats that didn't report Kelley would have given him the license you suggest. The guy was an Air Force vet. He would have also already had the classes you suggest.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 10, 2017 14:51:02 GMT -5
In other words, RJ, no suggestions, no way to improve the current system, just maintain the status quo and hope the body count doesn't go too high. That's what I thought you were saying all along.
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Post by redleg on Nov 10, 2017 14:53:34 GMT -5
In other words, RJ, no suggestions, no way to improve the current system, just maintain the status quo and hope the body count doesn't go too high. That's what I thought you were saying all along. He had a great suggestion. You just don't want to hear it, because it doesn't disarm anyone, or put anyone in prison for exercising a right enumerated in the Constitution.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 15:03:38 GMT -5
In other words, RJ, no suggestions, no way to improve the current system, just maintain the status quo and hope the body count doesn't go too high. That's what I thought you were saying all along. Just because you keep saying that, doesn't mean it's true. I want the government to start to effectively manage its current responsibilities. If it had, neither Kelley nor Dylan Roof would have been able to purchase their weapons. I've suggested stiff penalties for bureaucrats who fail to make the necessary reports to the appropriate databases. All you've suggested is to give more responsibility to people who keep proving they can't handle their existing responsibilities.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 10, 2017 16:33:09 GMT -5
In other words, RJ, no suggestions, no way to improve the current system, just maintain the status quo and hope the body count doesn't go too high. That's what I thought you were saying all along. Just because you keep saying that, doesn't mean it's true. I want the government to start to effectively manage its current responsibilities. If it had, neither Kelley nor Dylan Roof would have been able to purchase their weapons. I've suggested stiff penalties for bureaucrats who fail to make the necessary reports to the appropriate databases. All you've suggested is to give more responsibility to people who keep proving they can't handle their existing responsibilities. Interesting, RJ. You want the government to "effectively manage its current responsibilities." Had the government done so, we'd have had 2 less mass shootings. With only 2 shootings you can chalk up to the government not doing its job, I'd say that the government is doing a pretty good job of handling things. You want to penalize bureaucrats who keep proving they can handle existing responsibilities? Just who are they? Kelley was Air Force in the southwest. Roof was in South Carolina. 2 different bureaucracies. How can you say not doing its job based on one case? Out of how many cases processed? Why not put some blame where it belongs -- on the shooters. We need to somehow screen better. I'm not sure how. Maybe some sort of regular mental health screening makes sense, perhaps as part of a license review, or something that's required every so often to make sure that a person can still buy and possess weapons. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't see punishing bureaucrats is the answer, even though you disdain them so much.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 16:37:10 GMT -5
It's the atlantic. There's not a single individual in a 10 mile radius of that propaganda site that would know an AR from a lug nut. They are simply pulling their "research" out of their 4th point of contact. The AR platform was developed to replace the M1 carbine. It was never intended for front line service. The idea was to give truck drivers, officers, cannon crewmen, ect, more firepower in a light, non primary arm caliber. Just like the carbine, that was chambered for a pistol cartridge. The AR was chambered for a varmint cartridge, because it was lighter and more controllable in automatic fire. The morons and liars at the atlantic have no idea what they are talking about, and think an AR is some kind of death ray. Reading is fundamental. The gentleman quoted actually worked on the AR project. I'll betcha he know one heckuva lot more then you do about them. "During the Vietnam war era, as a newly graduated mechanical engineer, I was hired by Colt's Firearms, the original manufacturer of the M-16, and tasked with M-16 related assignments during my employment."
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 16:43:01 GMT -5
That's why I can't read good at all. Fugly Mommy never bothered Education me. She never wanted my Worthless Ass in the first place....
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 16:49:14 GMT -5
Just because you keep saying that, doesn't mean it's true. I want the government to start to effectively manage its current responsibilities. If it had, neither Kelley nor Dylan Roof would have been able to purchase their weapons. I've suggested stiff penalties for bureaucrats who fail to make the necessary reports to the appropriate databases. All you've suggested is to give more responsibility to people who keep proving they can't handle their existing responsibilities. Interesting, RJ. You want the government to "effectively manage its current responsibilities." Had the government done so, we'd have had 2 less mass shootings. With only 2 shootings you can chalk up to the government not doing its job, I'd say that the government is doing a pretty good job of handling things. You want to penalize bureaucrats who keep proving they can handle existing responsibilities? Just who are they? Kelley was Air Force in the southwest. Roof was in South Carolina. 2 different bureaucracies. How can you say not doing its job based on one case? Out of how many cases processed? Why not put some blame where it belongs -- on the shooters. We need to somehow screen better. I'm not sure how. Maybe some sort of regular mental health screening makes sense, perhaps as part of a license review, or something that's required every so often to make sure that a person can still buy and possess weapons. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't see punishing bureaucrats is the answer, even though you disdain them so much. Clearly, failing to make proper notifications is a systemic problem. Equally as obvious is the fact that these bureaucrats allowed Kelley and Roof to obtain weapons, and that they share some responsibility for the attacks. No one has any idea how many more are armed that wouldn't be if the system worked. The Virginia Tech shooter is another who probably could have been disarmed this way if the system worked. But it doesn't. All I'm saying is we need to fix what we have before we expand it.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 16:56:01 GMT -5
"Thoughts and Prayers" is GOP code for "We're Not Going To Do Anything"
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 17:01:10 GMT -5
"Thoughts and Prayers" is GOP code for "We're Not Going To Do Anything" We all know how much the Democrats hate thoughts.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 17:18:52 GMT -5
"Thoughts and Prayers" is GOP code for "We're Not Going To Do Anything" We all know how much the Democrats hate thoughts. Yeah, we're more about the action.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 10, 2017 17:27:47 GMT -5
We all know how much the Democrats hate thoughts. Yeah, we're more about the action. Yes, stupid, futile gestures are your bread and butter. This is how you ended up with pussy hats and your obsession with non-existent Russian hookers.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 10, 2017 17:35:13 GMT -5
LOL I have all kinds of Action downy Fugly Mommy's basement. The Angry Drunken Dwarf rapes me everyday before the Ugandan Blutards show up and start chasing my Stupid Ass around...
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