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Post by palealeman on Dec 14, 2017 20:17:34 GMT -5
Mysoginist? I have too much respect for women to even consider a free grope.
You, on the other hand, seem to be very knowledgeable about it. I'm guessing it's a rule that you and the President use often.
And, frankly, I think it's only knuckle dragers who would take advantage of it!
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 14, 2017 20:23:53 GMT -5
Mysoginist? I have too much respect for women to even consider a free grope. You, on the other hand, seem to be very knowledgeable about it. I'm guessing it's a rule that you and the President use often. And, frankly, I think it's only knuckle dragers who would take advantage of it! So you have no idea who Gloria Steinem is.
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Post by redleg on Dec 14, 2017 20:48:41 GMT -5
I have no idea what the "one free grope" standard is. Never heard of it. Yes, I'd like Trump to go. I think he's incompetent and totally unprepared for the job. I think he's doing more harm than good. I think he lies way too much. He tries to take credit for everything. I think he's an embarrassment. However, I don't necessarily want him gone for these sexual offenses. I want them investigated. Then, if there's a basis, get rid of him. Yea, I do think Trump is deranged. I just can't figure why you defend him so much. Does it have something to do with him being a white man who degrades women? Really? And just what "harm" has he done?
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Post by palealeman on Dec 14, 2017 21:37:26 GMT -5
Mysoginist? I have too much respect for women to even consider a free grope. You, on the other hand, seem to be very knowledgeable about it. I'm guessing it's a rule that you and the President use often. And, frankly, I think it's only knuckle dragers who would take advantage of it! So you have no idea who Gloria Steinem is. Oh, I know who Gloria Steinem is. Just not as knowledgeable about assaulting women as you are. Like I said, I have too much respect for women. Unlike the President.
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Post by freddfish on Dec 14, 2017 23:13:22 GMT -5
So you have no idea who Gloria Steinem is. Oh, I know who Gloria Steinem is. Just not as knowledgeable about assaulting women as you are. Like I said, I have too much respect for women. Unlike the President. If you don't know about and immediately understand the term "one-grope rule", you know nothing at all about Gloria Steinem. And given that all the events it references only happened 20 years ago, you are either very young and clueless....or you were oblivious during the late '90s. Like blackout-drunk-for-5-years oblivious.
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Post by breakingbad on Dec 15, 2017 6:32:04 GMT -5
Oh, I know who Gloria Steinem is. Just not as knowledgeable about assaulting women as you are. Like I said, I have too much respect for women. Unlike the President. If you don't know about and immediately understand the term "one-grope rule", you know nothing at all about Gloria Steinem. And given that all the events it references only happened 20 years ago, you are either very young and clueless....or you were oblivious during the late '90s. Like blackout-drunk-for-5-years oblivious. No, he just has a 'republican=bad/democrat=good' filter. You know, the opposite of redleg.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 7:51:01 GMT -5
So you have no idea who Gloria Steinem is. Oh, I know who Gloria Steinem is. Just not as knowledgeable about assaulting women as you are. Like I said, I have too much respect for women. Unlike the President. Nah. You’re just a simple-minded partisan who is just fine with the Clinton’s living by the “one grope rule” but you want to hammer Trump. Clinton was credibly accused with rape, which never bothered the Democrats until just now. Trump has been credibly accused of greeting a woman with a hug, which is now an impeachable offense.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 8:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by palealeman on Dec 15, 2017 10:34:03 GMT -5
But, RJ, he denies all those claims. In keeping with the "Spirit of Trump and Moore," he must not be guilty of anything. After all, he says so, and it appears that an accused's word is all that's needed. At least, that's the standard you use.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 15, 2017 10:37:55 GMT -5
Oh, I know who Gloria Steinem is. Just not as knowledgeable about assaulting women as you are. Like I said, I have too much respect for women. Unlike the President. If you don't know about and immediately understand the term "one-grope rule", you know nothing at all about Gloria Steinem. And given that all the events it references only happened 20 years ago, you are either very young and clueless....or you were oblivious during the late '90s. Like blackout-drunk-for-5-years oblivious. And now someone else jumps in . . . jumping to erroneous conclusions. I said I know who Steinem is and that I'm not very knowledgeable about her. No, I had never heard of the "one grope rule." But, then again, I've never groped women. Is this a rule you still use, or have you finally stopped?
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Post by redleg on Dec 15, 2017 10:40:45 GMT -5
But, RJ, he denies all those claims. In keeping with the "Spirit of Trump and Moore," he must not be guilty of anything. After all, he says so, and it appears that an accused's word is all that's needed. At least, that's the standard you use. There is, however, evidence in Waco Billy Boy's case, something that is severely lacking in Moore's. In fact, his chief accuser has admitted forging the only piece of "evidence" shown so far.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 10:47:01 GMT -5
But, RJ, he denies all those claims. In keeping with the "Spirit of Trump and Moore," he must not be guilty of anything. After all, he says so, and it appears that an accused's word is all that's needed. At least, that's the standard you use. *shrugs* Maybe he is, and maybe he isn’t. You’re quite content to listen only to the accusers though, so you need to be aware of the accusations against Hoffman.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 10:49:46 GMT -5
If you don't know about and immediately understand the term "one-grope rule", you know nothing at all about Gloria Steinem. And given that all the events it references only happened 20 years ago, you are either very young and clueless....or you were oblivious during the late '90s. Like blackout-drunk-for-5-years oblivious. And now someone else jumps in . . . jumping to erroneous conclusions. I said I know who Steinem is and that I'm not very knowledgeable about her. No, I had never heard of the "one grope rule." But, then again, I've never groped women. Is this a rule you still use, or have you finally stopped? The “one grope rule” was created by feminists, specifically Stinem, and the media that supports her. It is a creation of the Left used to support a Democrat president. But again, we all know the one free grope rule was only for Democrats. Republicans don’t need to be anything but Republicans to be anti-woman.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 11:07:11 GMT -5
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Post by palealeman on Dec 15, 2017 13:52:41 GMT -5
And you might even find enough, after a couple of months, to equal the number of right-wing predators. But I doubt it.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 15, 2017 15:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by kemmer on Dec 15, 2017 23:08:33 GMT -5
Eh, right, left, center, it looks like from now on groping will have to be mutual.
Not a bad development. Anyone old enough to remember "Dear Abby"? She frequently got letters from women complaining about the boss "chasing them around the desk." The only advice she could give was, "Quit your job." Easy to say. Not so easy for a low-paid clerical worker, no unemployment payments when you leave voluntarily, and "To escape unwanted attentions from my boss," is not an adequate "reason you left your last employment" on the next job application.
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Post by breakingbad on Dec 16, 2017 8:01:22 GMT -5
Eh, right, left, center, it looks like from now on groping will have to be mutual. While I do enjoy groping, it's much more fun if it occurs while being groped, for sure.
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Post by redleg on Dec 16, 2017 11:37:20 GMT -5
Eh, right, left, center, it looks like from now on groping will have to be mutual. Not a bad development. Anyone old enough to remember "Dear Abby"? She frequently got letters from women complaining about the boss "chasing them around the desk." The only advice she could give was, "Quit your job." Easy to say. Not so easy for a low-paid clerical worker, no unemployment payments when you leave voluntarily, and "To escape unwanted attentions from my boss," is not an adequate "reason you left your last employment" on the next job application. It's been that way since time immemorial. It's amazing that the Party of the KKK just now discovered it since Trump was elected, and have gone into high dudgeon over what they have been doing for decades. Of course, they couldn't acknowledge any of it while Weinstein, et al, were donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Party of the KKK. But now, when they have to be able to make up stories, and pay women to make up stories, about Trump, they have to "clean house", at least in the media.
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Post by freddfish on Dec 17, 2017 16:01:31 GMT -5
And now someone else jumps in . . . jumping to erroneous conclusions. I said I know who Steinem is and that I'm not very knowledgeable about her. No, I had never heard of the "one grope rule." But, then again, I've never groped women. Is this a rule you still use, or have you finally stopped? The “one grope rule” was created by feminists, specifically Stinem, and the media that supports her. It is a creation of the Left used to support a Democrat president. But again, we all know the one free grope rule was only for Democrats. Republicans don’t need to be anything but Republicans to be anti-woman. I remember when Steinem came out with that ridiculous justification in an attempt to provide a credible ( ) defense for Slick Willy and his willy. Mind you, she rolled out this tripe shortly after closing ranks with Anita Hill and the Packwood accusers......but suddenly, when it was a Democratic president whose ox was being gored? Different. A buddy of mine at work and a female co-worker went over this idea at lunch one day. Given the size of the company, and acting on Steinem's silly premise, we took the idea to it's extreme, and said that a man could grope a woman without consequence about once a week, and still be in bounds. Our female co-worker said to give her cubicle a pass, unless we wanted to get shanked with a letter opener. This is yet another reason why so few young women self-describe as feminist. When you beclown yourself and your principles in the service of a political agenda, you are justly ridiculed by rational people. Lots of folks will pause to watch a fool's parade pass....but not many will feel compelled to fall in and march along.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 17, 2017 18:51:30 GMT -5
The “one grope rule” was created by feminists, specifically Stinem, and the media that supports her. It is a creation of the Left used to support a Democrat president. But again, we all know the one free grope rule was only for Democrats. Republicans don’t need to be anything but Republicans to be anti-woman. I remember when Steinem came out with that ridiculous justification in an attempt to provide a credible ( ) defense for Slick Willy and his willy. Mind you, she rolled out this tripe shortly after closing ranks with Anita Hill and the Packwood accusers......but suddenly, when it was a Democratic president whose ox was being gored? Different. A buddy of mine at work and a female co-worker went over this idea at lunch one day. Given the size of the company, and acting on Steinem's silly premise, we took the idea to it's extreme, and said that a man could grope a woman without consequence about once a week, and still be in bounds. Our female co-worker said to give her cubicle a pass, unless we wanted to get shanked with a letter opener. This is yet another reason why so few young women self-describe as feminist. When you beclown yourself and your principles in the service of a political agenda, you are justly ridiculed by rational people. Lots of folks will pause to watch a fool's parade pass....but not many will feel compelled to fall in and march along. This is actually one of many reasons we have a President Trump. Hillary couldn't bring up Trump's history without reminding everyone about what a pig her husband is. And Bill's history is FAR worse than Trump's. Maybe next time they'll run a candidate that isn't a predator or married to one. Then again, given the current state of their bench (too radical, too old, or both) Huma Abiden is probably as likely a candidate as not.
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Post by kemmer on Dec 17, 2017 23:46:24 GMT -5
Eh, right, left, center, it looks like from now on groping will have to be mutual. While I do enjoy groping, it's much more fun if it occurs while being groped, for sure. Definitely!
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Post by kemmer on Dec 18, 2017 0:07:12 GMT -5
The “one grope rule” was created by feminists, specifically Stinem, and the media that supports her. It is a creation of the Left used to support a Democrat president. But again, we all know the one free grope rule was only for Democrats. Republicans don’t need to be anything but Republicans to be anti-woman. I remember when Steinem came out with that ridiculous justification in an attempt to provide a credible ( ) defense for Slick Willy and his willy. Mind you, she rolled out this tripe shortly after closing ranks with Anita Hill and the Packwood accusers......but suddenly, when it was a Democratic president whose ox was being gored? Different. A buddy of mine at work and a female co-worker went over this idea at lunch one day. Given the size of the company, and acting on Steinem's silly premise, we took the idea to it's extreme, and said that a man could grope a woman without consequence about once a week, and still be in bounds. Our female co-worker said to give her cubicle a pass, unless we wanted to get shanked with a letter opener. This is yet another reason why so few young women self-describe as feminist. When you beclown yourself and your principles in the service of a political agenda, you are justly ridiculed by rational people. Lots of folks will pause to watch a fool's parade pass....but not many will feel compelled to fall in and march along. That conversation sounds hilarious-- but I do hope both your co-workers know they were indulging in a conversation that could give the HR folks hives-- assuming it's a private sector employer, of course. Remember, lawyers are always standing by, and if someone sensitive walking by eavesdrops... well, I'd say you've got a "hostile work environment" there. $$$$$$ As possibly the only "girl" left on this board, I agree 100%. The Monica scandal happened at a time when "feminists" were saying any consensual relationship in the private sector between a male boss and a female underling was "rape" because of the disparate power positions of the participants. Could any "power positions" be more disparate than that between the POTUS and a lowly intern? I remain a feminist. However, I am now a "Feminist, but..." Side note: love the neologism "beclown".
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Post by kemmer on Dec 18, 2017 0:12:28 GMT -5
Eh, right, left, center, it looks like from now on groping will have to be mutual. Not a bad development. Anyone old enough to remember "Dear Abby"? She frequently got letters from women complaining about the boss "chasing them around the desk." The only advice she could give was, "Quit your job." Easy to say. Not so easy for a low-paid clerical worker, no unemployment payments when you leave voluntarily, and "To escape unwanted attentions from my boss," is not an adequate "reason you left your last employment" on the next job application. It's been that way since time immemorial. It's amazing that the Party of the KKK just now discovered it since Trump was elected, and have gone into high dudgeon over what they have been doing for decades. Of course, they couldn't acknowledge any of it while Weinstein, et al, were donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Party of the KKK. But now, when they have to be able to make up stories, and pay women to make up stories, about Trump, they have to "clean house", at least in the media. Agree, powerful men have always been able to avail themselves of female flesh, willing or unwilling. Maybe from now on, they'll have to confine themselves only to the willing. (There's plenty of that around. Someone snarky might suggest looking at Trump's sequence of wives.)
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 18, 2017 8:01:33 GMT -5
It's been that way since time immemorial. It's amazing that the Party of the KKK just now discovered it since Trump was elected, and have gone into high dudgeon over what they have been doing for decades. Of course, they couldn't acknowledge any of it while Weinstein, et al, were donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Party of the KKK. But now, when they have to be able to make up stories, and pay women to make up stories, about Trump, they have to "clean house", at least in the media. Agree, powerful men have always been able to avail themselves of female flesh, willing or unwilling. Maybe from now on, they'll have to confine themselves only to the willing. (There's plenty of that around. Someone snarky might suggest looking at Trump's sequence of wives.) Wasn’t it Kissinger who called power the ultimate aphrodisiac? There really are plenty of women who will throw themselves at a powerful man. Hate Trump all you want for saying what he said about grabbing women. He wasn’t wrong. Many of them even do it in hopes of being able to use the powerful person to get ahead.
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